I have heard many attack Glenn Beck. But..

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by antonia

 

What I see with Beck is an entertaining show, filled with opinion yes, but also containing interesting information and I glean what I want from him. He seems to be a fairly decent person who simply has an ideology not in line with mine, so I'd probably never call him childish names or use profanity to describe him because that is just slander.

I've seen you call plenty of politicians you dislike rather distasteful things. And quite honestly, I still don't get your point here. I don't get the point of the OP. The bottom line here is it does not make a damn bit of difference why people dislike Beck. It doesn't hurt you. It doesn't even hurt Beck.

So what's the point? So you can feel better about yourself because you don't happen to share their opinion? You can just brush them off as hateful and irrational?

reply to post by dreamwalker74


Oh and another thing, when you want to go on about the lack of intellectual debates on ATS regarding the subject of Glenn Becks credibility, it may help if your post isn't rife with numerous spelling errors.

How can you complain about the lack of an intellectual debate and you cannot even spell the word "intellectual"?

If you want to be condescending and appear to represent Glenn Becks audience put your thinking cap on first and run a spell check.

Then again, maybe this is what we should expect from his viewers and you should see why we would not bother to take the debate seriously.



- Lee

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by depth om

 

So you believe that the TV can not ever be used as a tool to teach or learn from? We are not that far apart I think.

I only watch news, documentaries (about which I'm very picky), other non-fiction and I admit I enjoy and occasional good movie.

Is it not the content that bothers you rather than the tool?

In between learning how vacuums are assembled on how it's made and watching footage of people being tazed, I thought to myself, wow, this is real, this is creepy.

Tv fills time, it spurs action but mostly the action of consumption.

reply to post by depth om


My only point in this is, that if we listen to as many points of view as possible, we can better judge the world around us. When people discount differing points of view based on emotion or ideology, they loose. Everyone, no matter how different in their ideologies adds to our understanding of the world around us.

reply to post by depth om


I do agree that TV used wrong is a negative and a waste of time better spent on other endeavors. I won't argue that. It is a wonderful tool for disseminating ideas however.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by depth om

 

My only point in this is, that if we listen to as many points of view as possible, we can better judge the world around us. When people discount differing points of view based on emotion or ideology, they loose. Everyone, no matter how different in their ideologies adds to our understanding of the world around us.

I do that, I'm addicted to the internet, The tv is totally different from the internet. You will learn hardly anything that is actually important in half an hour on tv, but 30 minutes of research on the net can change your life..

[edit on 5-8-2010 by depth om]

reply to post by antonia


You certainly have. I admit it. I was wrong. I'm trying to grow in my views of the world around me and talking to others about it helps me.

reply to post by depth om


No argument there. The Internet is a wonderful tool, I agree.

It has also become at the same time a cesspool of bad information. Like TV it can be a good thing or bad.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by depth om

 

My only point in this is, that if we listen to as many points of view as possible, we can better judge the world around us. When people discount differing points of view based on emotion or ideology, they loose. Everyone, no matter how different in their ideologies adds to our understanding of the world around us.

since when was the TV some sort of socratic forum of intelligible debate and philosophical effulgence? All i see is waste, lies, and paid people.

reply to post by Blaine91555


tv is far more enclosed than the world wide web, which is exactly why great caution should be exercised, things are on there for a reason, they reflect the perceived consciousness level of the people and also it aims to direct them.

The internet is like a car, you can go anywhere you want, if you have the fuel for it. Sometimes people run out of fuel and just hop on the bus, where the routes are pre determined.

Originally posted by depth om

since when was the TV some sort of socratic forum of intelligible debate and philosophical effulgence? All i see is waste, lies, and paid people.

Yes, but we as intelligent beings can see through that and take from it what is beneficial or pertinent. If nothing else its a barometer of what society around us is like and as TV programing changes, we can learn from that.

Also, there is nothing wrong with entertainment. Life does not need to be a 24/7 debate of ideas and ideologies. In fact our mental health demands we take time to smell the roses. A good escapist movie now and then or a funny sitcom is medicine for the soul; no different than attending a concert or playing a game of chess.

I think we make life to hard on ourselves at times.

[edit on 8/5/2010 by Blaine91555]

Originally posted by depth om
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

The internet is like a car, you can go anywhere you want, if you have the fuel for it. Sometimes people run out of fuel and just hop on the bus, where the routes are pre determined.

Good analogy. However the road on the Internet has become very bumpy and at times the fuel has some water in it. You have to be just as careful on the Internet what you accept or reject.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Now back to the topic of glenn beck, I think he is scum. I gave my reasons. Other people gave theirs, generating a substantial portrait portraying beck as merely a charismatic human drug that people take to feel secure in this time. If glenn beck supports the official story of 9/11, he is scum. We forget so soon, that day.

reply to post by dreamwalker74


You know what? We get it. You like Glenn Beck. You are closed minded.
Okay? We get it.
You ask questions then tell people the only answers you will "accept".

Good frackin grief.

reply to post by ~Lucidity

Beck gets 2 million for television? No way. It isn't relevant to any criticism of beck. There's just no way FOX pays him 2 million, unless it's per week.

NWO spawn mika bryzinski was getting 5 million, when she had a big fat nose, twenty years ago. I'd put beck in the 20 million zone at FOX, possibly much higher than that. Probably covers everything, every corporation thankful that he pumps for them, albeit through misdirection.

reply to post by depth om


I see Beck this way.

I know he was an alcoholic at one point in his life. He woke up one day sober and took a look at the world around him and did not like what he saw. It scared him into who he is now and who he is becoming. He saw himself and and he did not like himself.

What people are watching, along with many real facts and good ideas, is him developing as his vision clears. He is just like us. He is doing the same thing many of us are doing here on ATS. He is also wrong sometimes, just like you and I are, but in spite of that he continues to grow. It would be interesting to see him a decade into the future, if the journey does not destroy him.

reply to post by dreamwalker74


I thought you promised to leave this site??



You promised!!!!!!

Originally posted by dreamwalker74
But.. I have not read one post that actually adressed his message, versus the method. I would for once like to have an intelligent conversation regarding this. Responses that will not be considered for reply.

1. He's just crazy

2. He's simply out for the right wing.

3. He has no idea what he's talking about.

If you leave it at this you are uncredible.

I want, just one debate, against Glenn Beck's actual words. Just one.

You can't just say he's crazy, racist, right wing. You actually have to intillectually debate, something he's actually said.

I expect this post to remain vacant, because I seriously doubt any of the bashers can come up with specifics.

Though I will repost and repost until somebody answers.

Come on, Serious intellectual debate on anything he has stated publicly, ever?

I have a feeling this is going to turn into a "Way to support the conservative media, website."
When all I'm looking for is specifics.

You pretty much shut the door on this thread since if you want to talk about his actual content, it rapidly becomes clear that he really has no idea what he is talking about.. assuming that his ramblings are not psychotic, and they do seem to resemble paranoid delusional thinking.You pretty much shut the door on this thread since if you want to talk about his actual content, it rapidly becomes clear that he really has no idea what he is talking about.. assuming that his ramblings are not psychotic, and they do seem to resemble paranoid delusional thinking.

But number 2, I don't agree with -- I think he is in it for the money and if thee was a network spewing left wing propaganda the way Fox does on the right, he could have wound up over there explains how the conservatives are plotting to destroy America.

So lets use his own word "He is a rodeo clown"

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by depth om

since when was the TV some sort of socratic forum of intelligible debate and philosophical effulgence? All i see is waste, lies, and paid people.

Yes, but we as intelligent beings can see through that and take from it what is beneficial or pertinent. If nothing else its a barometer of what society around us is like and as TV programing changes, we can learn from that.

Also, there is nothing wrong with entertainment. Life does not need to be a 24/7 debate of ideas and ideologies. In fact our mental health demands we take time to smell the roses. A good escapist movie now and then or a funny sitcom is medicine for the soul; no different than attending a concert or playing a game of chess.

I think we make life to hard on ourselves at times.

[edit on 8/5/2010 by Blaine91555]

The telescreen is not a barometer of society. The telescreen is a society programming weapon. It is the most destructive weapon hidden in plain sight, right after the cellphone signal feed.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Or if he is not dead.

Some of the accusations being made are bringing some people from behind the curtain to the front of the curtain.

What I find funny, is that A LOT of what he is saying, I have posted here and have proven my postulates. It is saddening that people cannot see the smear campaign following him.