All of you against drug decriminalization have the blood of 28,000 people on your hands

reply to post by MilzGatez


Yes, I am aware of other ways people can get high.

People that use alternatives, won't be switching to another substance, because they are made legal, because, they are addicted to what they are doing already.

People will do drugs, no doubt about that.

Why should it be made any easier for them to do so?

It shouldn't. In my opinion.

Originally posted by Blanca Rose
reply to post by Tayesin

 

I hope so, because if drugs are legalized and I am inconvenienced or in an accident because they are, I will be infuriated!

You already run that risk. Duh.

Driving under the influence is illegal, so we already have laws governing that.

Originally posted by Blanca Rose

Originally posted by hotbakedtater


Again, I am not trying to pick on your posts, but engage in debate on this topic, thank you for your time in participating.

I am debating, and expressing how I feel.

I am in complete support of no drug being legalized, and death sentences for drug dealer is the US, or Mexico, or wherever.

If they didn't supply it, people would not be using it.

That is the way I feel.

While addicts make their own choices, they wouldn't be so inclined if it wasn't available.

I believe in attacking the source, rather than people who are roped into become addicts, because something is available.

Thanks for your participation, too!!!!!!! LOL, as if YOU should be granting me the right to express my opinion!

LOL, sorry if I came off as pompous, i apologize, I was just trying to be polite and let you know I enjoy our debate.

Anyway, if there is a will there is a way.

So your point is, If they dont supply it, drug addicts would not be addicted?

And by they, you refer to drug lords.

What about legal drugs, like Oxycontin, Vicodin, and others that people are addicted to? Do you believe those drugs should be illegalized, to prevent addictions?

I do not believe in excusing the behavior of the addict by placing blame on a drug lord or big pharma. Just because something is available does not mean one has to utilize it. That is the sole responsibility of the person making the choice.

Have you heard? This is old news, but Portugal decriminalized a decade ago, and has seen crime rates DROP. The entire thing has been a success. Here is a link to the Time article.

www.time.com...

reply to post by hotbakedtater


Unless it home grown weed or poppies or toads or whatever, if you are buying from the distribution channel that involves the slaughter of innocents, then the blood IS on your hands because you are buying into that mess. If there is no end purchaser there would be nobody for the cartels or CIA...if you believe they do that sort of thing, to sell to. They'd have to find something else to traffic in, unfortunately it would probably end up being humans. Even in that event, the blood of innocents would be on the sellers AND the buyers.

Originally posted by Blanca Rose
reply to post by MilzGatez

 

Yes, I am aware of other ways people can get high.

People that use alternatives, won't be switching to another substance, because they are made legal, because, they are addicted to what they are doing already.

People will do drugs, no doubt about that.

Why should it be made any easier for them to do so?

It shouldn't. In my opinion.

Hmm say what with the alternatives? legal?

Yeah you're right about the legal part like spray paint,nasal spray, even those Axe products but they aren't good alternatives therefore they are another substance that people would get addicted to.

Matter of fact, everything we do daily in our lives can be addictive.. Watching tv, eating, masturbation, sex.. the list goes on

Originally posted by Exuberant1



You already run that risk. Duh.

Driving under the influence is illegal, so we already have laws governing that.

That was my point, duh!

People who do something illegal, are less apt to put themselves out in the public, say driving around. If it becomes legal, some will think it's ok to be out on the street driving. Hence, more drug related DUI's versus alchohol.

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Originally posted by SheeplFlavoredAgain
reply to post by hotbakedtater

 

Unless it home grown weed or poppies or toads or whatever, if you are buying from the distribution channel that involves the slaughter of innocents, then the blood IS on your hands because you are buying into that mess. If there is no end purchaser there would be nobody for the cartels or CIA...if you believe they do that sort of thing, to sell to. They'd have to find something else to traffic in, unfortunately it would probably end up being humans. Even in that event, the blood of innocents would be on the sellers AND the buyers.

I disagree. This bloody hands deal is strictly the responsibility of the one doing the killing.

Most businessmen conduct their business each and every dayu for decades without murdering one single person!!

Why should the junkie buying his fix have to take on the responsibility of a murder he did not commit? He does not have blood on his hands, he has drugs IN his hands to use, that is it.

The blood comes from the butrchers and subhumans who use subpar business practices (murder butchery) to conduct business.

Is everyone who plays the stock market got blood on their hands from the evil businesses who plundered pension accounts?

Since you quote statistics...
How many deaths are caused by drugged drivers?
Project how many deaths will be caused by drugged drivers once illegal drugs are made legal.

Originally posted by SheeplFlavoredAgain
reply to post by hotbakedtater

 

Unless it home grown weed or poppies or toads or whatever, if you are buying from the distribution channel that involves the slaughter of innocents, then the blood IS on your hands because you are buying into that mess. If there is no end purchaser there would be nobody for the cartels or CIA...if you believe they do that sort of thing, to sell to. They'd have to find something else to traffic in, unfortunately it would probably end up being humans. Even in that event, the blood of innocents would be on the sellers AND the buyers.

and in my opinion this doesnt really include weed because we can buy our weed from a grower in your own town that get their seeds lets say from the internet from a seed shop.. its a two way street with that unlike coke,heroin

reply to post by MilzGatez


Please post the Portuguese or Dutch statistics which you allege will back up your outrageous claims.

These nations have legalized drugs and you claim that their stats will back up your assumptions and allegations about what will happen if drugs are legalized.

I doubt you can.

Originally posted by wookiee
Since you quote statistics...
How many deaths are caused by drugged drivers?
Project how many deaths will be caused by drugged drivers once illegal drugs are made legal.

ok can you please include the names of these drugs please

because truck drivers could take an upper from their doctors, lets say Oxy pill and just fall asleep on the road and killing somebody in their cars.

no one should be driving under anything... I drive while being high on weed and never had an accident while being high on it while driving fast as hell

Its all in the mind

The argument that using drugs means that the blood of everyone killed in drug related violence is on your hands is absolutely irrational.

I would assume that most people here drive automobiles, correct? So by this rational then everybody ever killed in any sort of gasoline or car production facility accident is also our responsibility - as would be all the deaths in all the wars fought in the oil fields of the Middle East.

You probably have products in your home made by Dow Chemicals - just Google the words "Dow" and "India" to see how many people you killed there.

This association seems, on the surface, to make sense. But beyond that it just doesn't add up. It's an emotional tug, but not a logical one.

And just as an aside, don't think for one moment that somebody somewhere hasn't done an actuarial study to see if the war on drugs produces more revenue than would legalization and taxation. This is, ultimately, why we have this outrageous war on drugs.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater



So your point is, If they dont supply it, drug addicts would not be addicted?

And by they, you refer to drug lords.

If it wasn't available, no, people wouldn't do it. And I am not referring to drug lords alone. I am talking about the lower level scum, who get it from the drug lords.

What about legal drugs, like Oxycontin, Vicodin, and others that people are addicted to? Do you believe those drugs should be illegalized, to prevent addictions?

These drugs are not legal without a prescription. People get into loads of trouble for Dr. shopping over them. People who sell them, without a prescription for profit, are no better than any other drug dealer.

I do not believe in excusing the behavior of the addict by placing blame on a drug lord or big pharma. Just because something is available does not mean one has to utilize it. That is the sole responsibility of the person making the choice.

If the drugs were not available, via a drug lord, or dealer, we wouldn't have an issue.

Have you heard? This is old news, but Portugal decriminalized a decade ago, and has seen crime rates DROP. The entire thing has been a success. Here is a link to the Time article.

www.time.com...

Thanks for the link, and I will read it. This is not Portugal, though.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by MilzGatez

 

Please post the Portuguese or Dutch statistics which you allege will back up your outrageous claims.

These nations have legalized drugs and you claim that their stats will back up your assumptions and allegations about what will happen if drugs are legalized.

I doubt you can.

Yeah you are right, I'm not going to do your research... Im not trying to be home on a computer for the rest of the night just to educate you when you can do it yourself.

If you read,research, you will find your own answers
like I have done.

U can start here... stopthedrugwar.org...
also look into the alcohol prohibition , Before and After .. you'll get part of your answers from there too
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reply to post by Vitchilo


All of those for criminalizing a substance that is of earth is guilty of the millions of deaths of people by wars, as human collateral for corporate interests, ie slavery, with fascism over their heads. Because no one owns us and the natural resources of this planet belong to all of us. In addition the billions of poor and starving, who are treated as slaves, owned and disenfranchised from land and resources. In addition all the people in prison, families and children broken up and abused, prostitution and abuses of humanity based on creating crimes over usage that used to only affect a few people like alchohol does so that the cia and black ops can make a fortune running this whole system.

And that I've known since I was a teenager looking at the problem.

I support compelete disenfranchising drugs. The Mexican problem is a big giant mafia style, bloodline chessgame, savvy?

All victims are on their hands? Savvy?

All those in jail being held prisoner for not allowing themselves to be owned on this issue need to be relseased it is kidnapping and brute strength to keep them and fascism.
And all their suffering and blood is on the fasicsts hands as well.

And I don't use drugs.

That is how I feel about it. How do you sleep at night knowing a child dies every other secodn of poverty and children are blown apart by the elite for their corporate goals? How do you sleep feeling that ownership of land and resources by the elite is possible when all were born with equal right to their planet?

The violence you're talking about stems out of criminalizing, not decriminalizing drugs.

After threads and replies like this one, i get a feeling that a brighter tomorrow is still possible. Maybe it is not too late yet.

I totally support Mexico in this!

Originally posted by MilzGatez

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by MilzGatez

 

Please post the Portuguese or Dutch statistics which you allege will back up your outrageous claims.

These nations have legalized drugs and you claim that their stats will back up your assumptions and allegations about what will happen if drugs are legalized.

I doubt you can.

Yeah you are right, I'm not going to do your research... Im not trying to be home on a computer for the rest of the night just to educate you when you can do it yourself.

lol, you are weaaseling out.

I knew you'd weasel out and not post anything to back up your outrageous claims.

You lost this one pal.

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by MilzGatez

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by MilzGatez

 

Please post the Portuguese or Dutch statistics which you allege will back up your outrageous claims.

These nations have legalized drugs and you claim that their stats will back up your assumptions and allegations about what will happen if drugs are legalized.

I doubt you can.

Yeah you are right, I'm not going to do your research... Im not trying to be home on a computer for the rest of the night just to educate you when you can do it yourself.

lol, you are weaaseling out.

I knew you'd weasel out and not post anything to back up your outrageous claims.

You lost this one pal.

I edited my post.. so i'm not weaselling out and besides it doesnt take 1 hour or a few minutes to get the information.. It takes time and research, cross-referencing and such.. thats why I'm not going out of my way to get you an answer, I dont have time for that right now..

but you can start with those links i provided you and there's others top org. websites as well, you just gotta take your time and look for them

the EDITED POST I added above

Yeah you are right, I'm not going to do your research... Im not trying to be home on a computer for the rest of the night just to educate you when you can do it yourself. If you read,research, you will find your own answers like I have done. U can start here... stopthedrugwar.org... also look into the alcohol prohibition , Before and After .. you'll get part of your answers from there too [edit on 4-8-2010 by MilzGatez] [edit on 4-8-2010 by MilzGatez]

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Originally posted by Blanca Rose
reply to post by MilzGatez

 

Yes, I am aware of other ways people can get high.

People that use alternatives, won't be switching to another substance, because they are made legal, because, they are addicted to what they are doing already.

People will do drugs, no doubt about that.

Why should it be made any easier for them to do so?

It shouldn't. In my opinion.

Yes, and life will go on and the senseless killing will continue in Mexico and near the US border. Anyone with eyes can see that the war on drugs will always be a losing battle. Right now it's illegal to possess drugs and people still find a way to obtain it. It's naive to believe that the continued policing of drugs will ever solve anything. Too many young men's lives have nearly been ruined over possessing an ounce of a plant.

Keeping drugs illegal will not solve the problem and never has. People will still do what they must to obtain want they desire.

Legalizing Mariguana would solve a lot of the drug wars and keep more people from getting killed.

reply to post by Vitchilo


Vitchilio as one comming out of the american drug culture, I know you are right.

It is always the self-righteous, the simple minded who think you can police everything who in the end don’t realize that people have to police themselves.

The crime and drug culture in America is one of the greatest scams the world has seen that will only end when they take the cops and robbers game out of it.


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