All of you against drug decriminalization have the blood of 28,000 people on your hands

reply to post by Tayesin


I hope so, because if drugs are legalized and I am inconvenienced or in an accident because they are, I will be infuriated!

One can only imagine the additional costs that insurance will tack on, if even pot is legalized.

People would like to see these things decriminalized, and so, but don't look at the whole picture.

You can bet insurance rates will go up, if decriminilzation is ever allowed.

reply to post by Blanca Rose


Yes they also use "sniffers" for drug use. You should see how on top of this the Northwest of the USA is, there is no difference in the apprending of Drivers under the influence...but there is a difference in lining the coffers of criminals who in turn buy weapons to continue protecting their profits and in many cases throughout central and south America...destabalize entire nations.

Originally posted by Blanca Rose
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

Nope, not a believer.

It depends what drugs you are talking about.

I have known people who have had drug addictions for years. A couple of them offed themselves because of it. Are you counting them in your tally?

While people themselves make lousy descisions, to become addicts, that cost their own lives, if it wasn't made available, by way of drug lords, to begin with, they might have never made the choice to succumb.

Legalization might be approved by some people, not by me, and what I have seen and witnessed.

I will never go for the leagalization of any drug, and that includes, pot.

No way.............never!~

Well, I'm not surprised. Commas are legal and look where that got you.

reply to post by Blanca Rose


You are pretending more people will use drugs if they are legal.

History reveals this to be false.

Originally posted by Shadowfoot
reply to post by hotbakedtater

 

We are splitting hairs over whom is responsible for the deaths...the point is decriminilization is proven to reduce crime as well as use...so being against it means you support crminial behavior at least in light of history.

research and education are the key to seeing through this nasty dillema not arguing a side based on personal views. Facts point to the decriminalization of drugs reducing crime and facillitating a return to healthy behavior...theres no arguing that...I say this because I see nothing but rhetoric from the keep em illegal side of this debate.

I never gave my personal view on legalization, I was debating another point of the topic, which seems to be a biggie in the keep it illegal crowd, and that is responsibility for addiction.

I am a firm believer in decriminalization, especially for natures remedies. What God gives us He intends us to use, and use wisely.

There is a reason humans have cannabinoid receptors in their brains.

reply to post by Jezus


I am not pretending. People will use, no matter what, if they can get it. If it becomes legal, I don't see an increase, as many people use, but don't brag about it.

You are fooling yourself, if you think this will end crime.

People won't like what is legal, and go for what gets them a high, even if it isn't legal.

Taxes will be had over the whole issue, but, people are not going to be satisfied, from what they can get at the local "drug store."

Thanks a lot Government of the good ol USA and Mexico.. its business as usual.. they wouldnt want it legal or else they will loose out a lot of money plus our funds that they get from our taxes and a whole lot of other stuff.

All the people that dont want drugs legal , y'all should be looking at other countries that have all of that legal plus rehab centers and centers to take your drug. Death toll has gone down from OD'in since they go to a center and the people and the drugs are monitored, Check out how many people are into rehab in those countries, Look at the crime rate with drugs.

People are quick to judge or whatever cause what they see, what they experienced themselves or someone they know,What they have been told but yet they wont do their unbiased fair research and how it is in other places.

If you aren't supporting to make it legal then you are supporting all those drugs cartels, the governments that supplies them and works along side of them while using the other lower level drug dealers as expendables, Mexico and USA citizen and USA Police units and agencies so they can stay in power. Its been known the C.I.A. are a drug cartel themselves.

[edit on 4-8-2010 by MilzGatez]

Originally posted by Blanca Rose
reply to post by Tayesin

 

I hope so, because if drugs are legalized and I am inconvenienced or in an accident because they are, I will be infuriated!

One can only imagine the additional costs that insurance will tack on, if even pot is legalized.

People would like to see these things decriminalized, and so, but don't look at the whole picture.

You can bet insurance rates will go up, if decriminilzation is ever allowed.

So how infuriated will you be when your accident happens whilst drugs are illegal? People will do stupid things (drive inebriated) legal or illegal.

This is one of the poorest arguments for keeping drugs illegal I think I have had the pleasure of running across, and I have debated this topic for decades!

Legalizing natural drugs (The ones that don't require a lab and ten chemists, or ten pounds of Actifed and five rednecks to produce) seems perfectly logical to me. I don't use drugs or drink very often but I also don't fall into the trap of believing that my habits should be mandated for others.

Living in the western nation with the highest per capita rate of incarceration and knowing that the vast majority of those incarcerated are there for drug related offenses kind of tells me that our present means of dealing with drugs and their use is a failed experiment anyway. So legalize away and, if nothing else, Darwinism will kick in and the worst of the habitual users will remove themselves voluntarily from the equation.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


Point taken, I just ran back and read your post...sigh perhaps you are a little more on topic then me. I got sidetracked with members comment and misinterpreted yours...apology

Originally posted by MilzGatez


If you aren't supporting to make it legal then you are supporting all those drugs cartels, the governments that supplies them and works along side of them while using the other lower level drug deals as expendables and USA Police units and agencies so they can stay in power. Its been known the C.I.A. are a drug cartel themselves.

No, I am not a user. I support futher crackdown on cartels, and death sentences for people who supply drugs that ruin other peoples lives.

A drug addict, once hooked, is not responsible for anything but payment to the drug dealer. They can't make an educated descision, because, they are hooked on drugs!~ Hello?

reply to post by Hefficide


well said the darwinian scope of your comment being profoundly true.

Originally posted by Shadowfoot
reply to post by hotbakedtater

 

Point taken, I just ran back and read your post...sigh perhaps you are a little more on topic then me. I got sidetracked with members comment and misinterpreted yours...apology

No problem! This is one of my favorite debates, I just wish we did not have to still be debating it twenty years after I began!

reply to post by Blanca Rose


Seriously Blanca, you are obviously a good person so I am in no ways trying to flame you. Why cant you see the easiest and most effective way to fight the drug cartels is to take away their funding?

reply to post by Shadowfoot



Because whatever would become legal, would not be the same quality that an addict can get from a cartel. There will still be a need for them. They will never go away, no matter what. They will always figure out a way to produce a better product.

Originally posted by Blanca Rose


A drug addict, once hooked, is not responsible for anything but payment to the drug dealer. They can't make an educated descision, because, they are hooked on drugs!~ Hello?

Blanca, please keep in mind we are debating, I swear I am not trying to pick on your posts, but I have to rebut your points as they rise, OK?

Your above comment I disagree with 100000 percent.

A drug addict even while addicted actively is the ONLY ONE responsible for all of his actions, including paying his dealer, but every other action they take.

How can you abdicate the responsibility of addiction to anyone other than the user?

And whose fault is it they supposedly cannot make an educated decision due to their addiction, a drug lord?

No it is their fault.

Being an uneducated incapable ill informed foolish human while addicted still does not make those traits the responsibility of the drug dealer.

It is 100 percent the addicts responsibility.

Again, I am not trying to pick on your posts, but engage in debate on this topic, thank you for your time in participating.

Originally posted by Blanca Rose
reply to post by Jezus

 

I am not pretending. People will use, no matter what, if they can get it. If it becomes legal, I don't see an increase, as many people use, but don't brag about it.

You are fooling yourself, if you think this will end crime.

People won't like what is legal, and go for what gets them a high, even if it isn't legal.

Taxes will be had over the whole issue, but, people are not going to be satisfied, from what they can get at the local "drug store."

A little open minded education will help you understand..

Answer this question... When the last time you done your research on other countries who already have everything legal?

seems like you havent

Originally posted by hotbakedtater


Again, I am not trying to pick on your posts, but engage in debate on this topic, thank you for your time in participating.

I am debating, and expressing how I feel.

I am in complete support of no drug being legalized, and death sentences for drug dealer is the US, or Mexico, or wherever.

If they didn't supply it, people would not be using it.

That is the way I feel.

While addicts make their own choices, they wouldn't be so inclined if it wasn't available.

I believe in attacking the source, rather than people who are roped into become addicts, because something is available.

Thanks for your participation, too!!!!!!! LOL, as if YOU should be granting me the right to express my opinion!

Originally posted by Blanca Rose
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Hmm Are you sure if drugs were not legal and blocked off for good that people still wouldn't get high?

don't you know or forgotten there's many other ways to get high off of something that isnt your old regular drug (coke,crack,heroin,etc)?

and to add... Would it be better off getting your drugs from a doctor and the pherma industry? is that way better then having drugs legal?

[edit on 4-8-2010 by MilzGatez]

Originally posted by Blanca Rose

You are fooling yourself, if you think this will end crime.

Ending prohibition won't end crime because prohibition has already created such extremely powerful organized crime.

However, it is a step in the right direction to remove power from violent and greedy people (both criminals and the criminal industrial complex).

The "War on Drugs" creates so much violence and imprisons so many people that ending it will save more lives and money than ending any other war.