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It seems to me that you are manipulating words to fit your agenda. Lack of belief that something exists != belief that something doesn't exist.
What you say is just plain false and manipulative. Are you a fundamentalist?
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
A synonym of disbelief is also "incredulity". Are you also going to explain to us how incredulity is actually credulity?
Oh...so we have moved on to synonyms huh?
Let's look at synonyms of "belief"
acceptance, admission, assent, assumption, assurance, avowal, axiom, certainty, conclusion, confidence, conjecture, conviction, credence, credit, deduction, divination, expectation, faith, fancy, feeling, guess, hope, hypothesis, idea, impression, intuition, judgment, knowledge, mind, mindset, notion, opinion, persuasion, position, postulation, presumption, presupposition, profession, reliance, supposition, surmise, suspicion, theorem, theory, thesis, thinking, trust, understanding, view
So do you all of those are interchangeable with belief? And Athiests are just the antonym of that word?
How about "certainty" an antonym is "doubt":
Theist: Certain God Exist
Atheist: Doubt God Exist
Doesn't sound like the definition for Atheists.
How about "conclusion" an antonym is "introduce":
Theists: Concludes that God Exist
Atheists: Introduce that God Exists
hmmm...I think I'll start using that one...since you know...I'm playing by your rules and we can interchange synonyms and then the antonym is the atheists stance.
Shall I go on...or do you see how silly this is getting?
You didn't answer me if you see how alike you are to a religous fundamentalist trying to twist and turn definitions, synonyms, using "word logic" just to try to maintain a position that doesn't make sense???
Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
Gnostic Theists are those that believe in God and either assert knowledge that god exists or that God is knowable.
Gnostic Atheists (aka Strong Atheists) assert that the statement "There is at least 1 God is false". They are the ones who deny the existence of God entirely.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by -PLB-
It seems to me that you are manipulating words to fit your agenda. Lack of belief that something exists != belief that something doesn't exist.
What you say is just plain false and manipulative. Are you a fundamentalist?
REALLY???? Well who just changed "disbelief" to "lack of belief"??? Seems like we have another word shifter...tell me...do you use math concepts on words too? Can you tell me how to divide the word "silly" by the word "smile"?
No...I am not a fundamentalists...nor am I an atheists...I don't go to the extremes of the spectrum...that is where logic dies.
Nothing is false about it...I can defend my position very easily without tyring to use synonyms, or antonyms, or math concepts on words, or replacing words with other words.
My position is quite simple...you have knowledge on a topic...you have processed it...and you have come to a conclusion...have you not???
That conclusion is your....gasp....belief on the topic. It's not right or wrong...it is just your belief on the matter.
Why does that word seem to scare you so much...tell me...what is wrong with a belief???
How is atheism not a belief?
It matters because it is wrong. Atheism = a lack of believe. If you define it as a disbelieve, and you define disbelieve as a belief in something, you are manipulating the meaning of atheism.
If you insist on calling atheism a belief, be my guest. But my question then is, why do you insist doing that?
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
You can't have a "lack of belief" in something you have knowledge of.
disbelief - doubt about the truth of something
If you disbelieve in God then you believe that God doesn't exist. Either God exists or he doesn't, and you either believe or you don't.
You can't have a "lack of belief" in something you have knowledge of.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by -PLB-
It matters because it is wrong. Atheism = a lack of believe. If you define it as a disbelieve, and you define disbelieve as a belief in something, you are manipulating the meaning of atheism.
If you insist on calling atheism a belief, be my guest. But my question then is, why do you insist doing that?
You can't have a "lack of belief" in something you have knowledge of. You have knowledge of the concept of god. You have three options.
1) You believe in the concept of god.
2) You don't know if you believe in the concept of god.
3) You do not believe in the concept of god.
If you choose one of those...then that is your belief. The only way you can say you have a "lack of belief" is to somehow say you don't subscribe to any of those...not sure how you do that once you have knowledge of the concept.
Like a said...some guy...born all alone in a jungle that has no knowledge of the concept of god is an Atheist that has a lack of beleif. If someone walks up to him and tells him about god...he will take that information and choose one of the three options above...if he chooses that he does not believe in the concept of god...he is still an atheist...but now he has a BELIEF about the concept of god.
So tell me...do you subscribe to one of the three options above? Or is you "lack of belief" so complete that you are just ignorant (meaning lack of knowledge...not an insult) on the concept of god?
[edit on 30-7-2010 by OutKast Searcher]
I could care less what definition was used hundreds or thousands of years ago.
Agnostic and Gnostic deal with knowledge on the subject of god(s)
Atheism and theism deal with belief on the subject of god(s).
Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
Not really. Unicorns and fairies, like gods, are generally considered supernatural