They called me a child pornographer

You let some guy at a drugstore develop nude photos of your children? Umm, they check the photos for quality. And you would risk letting random people see your kids naked? I actually do have a problem with that. I've taken pictues of my kids in the tub being goofy make bubble mohawks and such, but I would never let anyone else develop them. But that's just me being protective of my kids.

What happened was extreme, but I'm still mortified that you'd allow some random person to develop naked pics of your kids.

reply to post by DrJay1975


What do you think people did pre digital cameras and home computing?!?

If you wanted pictures of the birth of your child? Don't be so close minded and ridiculous.

By the way what do you think the chemist would derive from developing a picture of a child? Some form of jolly? Remember in the days before home printing they would have thousands of far more interesting pictures a year to leer at if that is what they wanted!!

Freud said sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I believe this meant if you saw a picture of a cigar and thought of a penis, the picture was not dirty, your mind is.

Sometimes a picture of a baby in a bathtub is just a picture of a baby in a bathtub. If you see a dirty picture, the picture is not dirty, your mind is.

Want to bet the one who called the cops was a religious nut? They are usually the ones who freak out at nudity and immediately think of sex, no matter what the context.

The way to handle this is to require that in cases like these, investigate the accuser as well as the suspect, and prosecute the accuser if it turns out to be bogus.

Originally posted by azrael36
reply to post by minettejo

 

OMG that is just horrible! Everyone knows that at some point all children play "doctor". They all become interested in what makes them different from each other. This is a normal part of childhood. It is sickening that in todays society things such as this lawsuit and criminal charges occur. Yet our children are bombarded daily with images of their young counterparts on TV dressed up as garish little whores. They are bombarded with sexual innuendo and images from such early ages. With a majority of parents content to allow the "boob-tube" to babysit their children for hours on end it is no surprise that youngsters are headed down a road of early sexual interest. Perhaps I should keep a closer eye on my son. He has two neighbor girls that are enamored with him. They are a few years older than he is. His mother and I laugh about it, "our son the ladykiller". But perhaps we should be keeping a much closer eye on their playing and goings on...

I hate to be paranoid but I would at least talk to him about what is and isn't appropriate. Such a shame that we can't give our kids the childhood we had.

Originally posted by spacedonk
reply to post by minettejo

 

I feel for your friends, how terrible that the allegation of an act by a child can destroy lives.

Where have we gotten to in his world? In the seventies the lad would have got a clip round the earhole and been sent on his way irrespective of whether it was true or not. The fact it is not true compounds the idiocy of the situation.

That is exactly how we feel. Where is the common sense! Even if it did happen, they are KIDS, not teens even, not even preteens, KIDS!

also i think the worst part is the counselors and workers that talk to the children.They corrupt their innocense far worse by the questions they ask or ideals they put in the childs head.for instance i was at my friends house and his first grade daughter fell in the yard and scaped her palm.she ran to me amnd said look what mommy did.I said your momma didnt do that she is in the house cooking,The daughter said "my teacher told me when i get hurt its okay to say mommy did it and i should tell".I explained to her thats its okay to tell only if its true and she said no my teacher said if i ever get hurt its mommys fault and i should allways say that no matter what.these teachers twist and warp these innocent minds so much that is the real crime.

This is PC driven nonsense.

I would say that nearly every baby /young child I have ever known loves and enjoys being naked, it is so natural.
It is also natural for parents to want a lasting memory of their child being happy and free from the care's and worries that later life has in store for them.

I seem to recall UK newscaster Julia Somerville having to go through an investigation because her husband sprayed some foam boobs on their very young daughter during bathtime and she took a photo.
Harmless fum.
Fortunately sense prevailed.

But it is a sad reflection of today's society that there are those who would get some sexual satisfaction from such photo's.

And imagine the outcry if something was reported to Social Services and they did nothing and something did happen?

The Social Services themselves are caught between a rock and a hard place on this one.

reply to post by bismarcksea


I saw a show on lifetime about that very same thing, hence, I have never taken that madatory shots of mine....it's like you gotta watch every little thing you do, have one beer in public, you could lose your children!!!! It's gotten that bad!!!!

Wow. I lose a little more faith in the United States every day. This story is sickening.

Oops. Double post.



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Dear lord, triple post?

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reply to post by spacedonk


My Mom and Dad had days worth of photos of me and my siblings in the Nudiebutt outfit.
Taking baths and just running around the house doing silly things.
Nowadays we are so censored that the things that we would have never had a second thought about, can be criminal nowadays.
It is a shame as when I would photograph my children we never had a babies first bath photo and it was always in the back of my head, BE CAREFUL! would taking this photo put me in prison?
Or will it be viewed for what it truly was cute or funny.
Shame on us for letting a non issue get this far.
Be strong all of this will pass.

reply to post by spacedonk


instead of complaining on a forum why dont you guys go out and protest. sign a petition. contact the autorities. raise "hell". the laws are like this because no one is trying to change them. how many families have been affected by this? how many signatures and families will support a change for this? MILLIONS! get off your computer and do something proactive

reply to post by bismarcksea


I don't think that's what it is about honestly.. I think that fears have (rightly) been ramped up much more in recent years.. Think about it this way, How can you; being a minimally trained photo processor in a large superstore that's paid about 9 or 10 dollars an hour at best know the difference between a parent taking pictures of what the parent considers a platonic sight of beauty (I think, is that why they do it?) and a dumb pedophile that actually did emotionally scar some children in the midst of his or her acts?

And what about the parents that sexually abuse their own children? How would one know the difference..

I don't think anyone could.

Originally posted by minettejo

Originally posted by azrael36
reply to post by minettejo

 

He has two neighbor girls that are enamored with him. They are a few years older than he is. His mother and I laugh about it, "our son the ladykiller". But perhaps we should be keeping a much closer eye on their playing and goings on...

I hate to be paranoid but I would at least talk to him about what is and isn't appropriate. Such a shame that we can't give our kids the childhood we had.

Kind of hard to have that talk with him when he is barely 20 months old these girls are perhaps 2 and 3 and just absolutely love him to death. As one poster above said, it is better that children learn these things naturally and not in a forced way or disciplinarian type way.

The nanny state once bit me too albeit with less drama.
about 2 and half years ago my wife was pregnant with my second daughter, I went along to a simple run of the mill mid wife appointment at the doctors and we had our other daughter with us who was 2 going on 3, although potty trained she was still in pull ups when going out so we popped a pull up on her.
My father took us on the small drive to the doctors where as usual we just go straight through to the mid wife, during the 5 minute visit my daughter pulled up her LONG dress that goes down to her ankles as she tried to climb a chair, I noticed she had no pull up on.
What will have happened is she will have took her pull up off to use the potty in the 5 minutes between putting it on her and going out the door while we got our shoes on.
As she was in a long dress we didn't notice the lack of a pull up on her and normally she would pull it back on herself.
I pointed out this being the case and stated clearly that we would be getting in the car straight after to return home anyway.

Didn't really think anything of it, out of the blue we had a visit from a member of social services with concerns for my childs 'well being', after excuses and lots of double talk I found out as soon as we left the office the midwife picked up the phone and reported us for child neglect.
The visitor came and I in no uncertain terms stated the case and how pathetic and over dramatized the event had become, I said this would not happen if I was in a high ranking job (I was unemployed at the time) or a minority race, she of course said I was wrong but I am standing by that belief to this day.

I warned them that I am wise to policing and nanny states, the social service woman said that she herself thought the entire thing was blown out of proportion and that obviously the midwife must have had a bad day, I said then she shouldn't be in that job because her bad day got her a wage and disrupted my family and upset my pregnant wife.

I seized to use that GP's office completely and once saw the mid-wife where she asked about my wife, I said well we all have underwear on so go find some other fu*****g job seeking white couple to pick on.
She walked on red faced.

Scum, sub-human interfering busy body scum.

If you are wondering why being white is brought into this then you are clearly either a non-white or a PC do-gooding clueless prat like the mid-wife.

I wish there was some law, or something to come back on people who make false accusations.

Maybe we should be given the opportunity to sue them, .... let them put their money where their mouth is...

Maybe then it wouldnt come to this, and they could ask themselves, .. " are you THAT sure".

I know there are borderline mentaly ill people out there who call the cops on every little thing, and create accusations out of the warped reality they view.

My friend is a psychologist, who does therapy and her office is at her home.

She had this recovering drug addict who was seeing her who had not paid for her sessions, other than what insurance covered.

My friend told her that in the future, she was expected to bring her copay and pay at the start of each visit or she could no longer have her as a client.

The woman threatned her with DFCS, saying "I will call dfcs to you and the them that you don't send your daughter to school and that instead of teaching her, you are working and having her work as your slave!"

Well, sure enough, the next time the woman didn't bring her copay, wasn't seen, and called DFCS.

My friend had to go through the SAME sort of investigation these folks did - and it was long, and drawn out, and intrusive.

She too, was cleared. Some social worker interviewed her child and was testing her for math. Like she's a teacher that would even be qualified to say what a child should or should not know when.

Oh, it was HORRID. Just horrid.

Another friend was Jackson Bortz's grandparents. Look up that case some time. That was really, really horrid.

We stood outside capital hill demonstrating over that one. I hate them all over that.

reply to post by IntastellaBurst


I asked a solicitor if there was a case to sue her, unfortunately there is a theory that if it could mean you get in trouble for making a false accusation then it may scare people from making genuine accusations towards a genuine case that if ignored may result in a childs death.

You know, its the 'just in case' safety net that means interfering busy bodies who get off on ruining lives can get away with these accusations, the most they get is "well you can't be too careful and you was right to call us" so they get the pat on the back either way.