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No, I rhetorically asked "define" Harm.
So, it's either "illegal", as the OP stated, OR it's an unlawful intervention...either way, I did not pick the title of this thread....I am merely arguing the merits of this thread based upon the assertion that said activity is ILLEGAL.
No, it's either legal or illegal; their is no gray area. The OP reports it as illegal; therefore, I take it as genuine. Therefore, I have no reason to report a HOAX. It's true...It's illegal! You doubt the legality; then YOU REPORT IT. Otherwise, it's an illegal activity.
Originally posted by mnemeth1
LOL
40 USC 6135 - Sec. 6135. Parades, assemblages, and display of flags in the Supreme Court Building and grounds
vlex.com...
It is unlawful to parade, stand, or move in processions or assemblages in the Supreme Court Building or grounds, or to display in the Building and grounds a flag, banner, or device designed or adapted to bring into public notice a party, organization, or movement.
1st Amendment - United States Constitution
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by Aggie Man
No, I rhetorically asked "define" Harm.
You did not rhetorically ask for the definition of harm, you asked me specifically to define, and then smugly announced you would wait for a definition.
So, it's either "illegal", as the OP stated, OR it's an unlawful intervention...either way, I did not pick the title of this thread....I am merely arguing the merits of this thread based upon the assertion that said activity is ILLEGAL.
I am not the O.P. and do not understand what that has to do with your argument with me. Your argument with me seems to be that I "fell into the trap" that I was telling you or others that you were not harmed. It was an erroneous assumption, and your deflection of the O.P.s title is just you backpedaling.
No, it's either legal or illegal; their is no gray area. The OP reports it as illegal; therefore, I take it as genuine. Therefore, I have no reason to report a HOAX. It's true...It's illegal! You doubt the legality; then YOU REPORT IT. Otherwise, it's an illegal activity.
The National Enquirer reports of chupacabras and alien abductions, as do many threads in this site. Do you take those as genuine as well? In the matter of law, it is prudent to know the law. After all, ignorance of the law is no excuse.
I have no problem with prayer, so long as I am not subjected to it.
Pray in silence and all is good.
Originally posted by Aggie Man
Originally posted by airspoon
we should never initiate force against someone else, key word being "initiate".
Per the U.S. Constitution, please define "initiate".
To me: hearing the verbal rambling of prayer constitutes "Initiation".
Therefore, since "Initiate" is subjective; then I am in the right.
[edit on 16-7-2010 by Aggie Man]
Based upon "Prima facie"; YES!. It behooves the the opposition to quash the accusation.
Otherwise, I have no "beef" with you; I only have issue with those that "harm" me by verbally practicing their religion on government property; which is suppose to be free of religious oppression....and believe me when I say "hearing prayer (in any verbal form) oppresses the right to my "pursuit of happiness"....
I know, "pursuit of happiness" is in the Deceleration of Independence; however; if you throw that out, then you might as well throw out all ensuing documents of freedom.
I have no problem with prayer, so long as I am not subjected to it. Pray in silence and all is good.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Since the people praying were not arrested, there is no prima facie evidence that their rights were abrogated or derogated, and it comes down to heresay.
The story of the police officer stopping the prayer brought this atrocious law to light. Whether one supports or opposes religious expression, you should be upset that Congress could pass a law which so blatantly violates the 1st Amendment in every way imaginable.
Originally posted by evil incarnate
May I ask why any of you need to pray together at the supreme court building anyway? Was there nowhere else to pray? Are you being prevented from praying in church, or better yet in private where you can really concentrate on your thoughts?
May I ask why any of you need to pray together at the supreme court building anyway? Was there nowhere else to pray? Are you being prevented from praying in church, or better yet in private where you can really concentrate on your thoughts?
I would be willing to bet a lot of you will say they are a nuisance.
Is this really what the ats has become......I think some people come on here just to argue and try and prove how ignorant they are......
Originally posted by FortAnthem
Read the law, it's not just the right to pray which is suppressed, it is every right guaranteed to the American people under the 1st Amendment that is outlawed here.
Edit to add: EXCEPT the freedom of the press, which was probably just an oversite on the part of Congress.
[edit on 7/16/10 by FortAnthem]
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
For the Christian, Jesus in fact, instructs them not to pray in the streets like the hypocrites do just so they can be seen by other men praying, but instead to go into their room, and shutting their door, pray in private.
Normally, this is what I do, but there is no crime in hypocrisy, and if there were, virtually all members of Congress would be outlaws. If Christians want to be hypocrites and pray openly in public so they can be seen, they have this right to do so. Further, if Buddhists, Muslims, or Satanists want to worship openly and in public, this is their right to do so as well, and there is not a thing government can legally do about it.
Originally posted by evil incarnate
What law are you speaking of? I asked a question about the people who were apparently prevented from praying. What law are you talking about?
40 USC Sec. 6135 01/05/2009
-EXPCITE-
TITLE 40 - PUBLIC BUILDINGS, PROPERTY, AND WORKS
SUBTITLE II - PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND WORKS
PART C - FEDERAL BUILDING COMPLEXES
CHAPTER 61 - UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT BUILDING AND GROUNDS
SUBCHAPTER IV - PROHIBITIONS AND PENALTIES
-HEAD-
Sec. 6135. Parades, assemblages, and display of flags in the
Supreme Court Building and grounds
-STATUTE-
It is unlawful to parade, stand, or move in processions or
assemblages in the Supreme Court Building or grounds, or to display
in the Building and grounds a flag, banner, or device designed or
adapted to bring into public notice a party, organization, or
movement.
US Code
Originally posted by adifferentbreed
Is this really what the ats has become......I think some people come on here just to argue and try and prove how ignorant they are......I was injured, I felt like throwing up, it made me angry......dude if people praying caused you all of those problems, you need professional help. Get a grip, they are erroding everyones rights, and you have to argue over trivial symantics?
As far as telling people they should pray in church, or better yet their home, who are you to tell them where to pray?
Maybe, they belong to some sect that only prays out of doors, you aren't gauranteed to not be disgusted, though again, if it causes you physical and emotional harm, seek help.
You keep complaing about your rights, what about theirs? Are they so easily dismissed by you? If so, maybe its why your position bears so little weight. One final thought, as a Witch, I have the same rights and protections as all other recognized religions....therefore, if it was to happen to me, yes I would make as much noise as these people did.