Welcome to the Unpossible Future... The AGI Manhattan Project

Originally posted by twentythreedom

Originally posted by Buretto
The only way humans can be saved from this AGI is to stop using technology all together.

true. by allowing ourselves to be dependent on technology, we feed the advance of technology's use against us.

i personally look forward to a mega solar flare that kills it all dead, even if only for a while to make us realise what's important...

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23 was on 23 minutes ago....sorry couldn't help it. I'm born on the 23rd.

Peace

reply to post by SaturnFX


Ok, first and foremost:
FRAK THE CYLONS!

Sorry I couldn't resist.

[For those who don't get the joke, his avatar is a Cylon from the Battlestar Gallactica show that has human invented "Cylons" hunting humans to extinction. In the show they say "Frak" instead of "F&%#".]

Again your taking things out of context though, and failing to see the bigger picture...

Again, the context at this juncture is the totalitarian system that is plundering us to do this, and to keep us out of it.

Seeing the police brutality is indicative of the nature of the system but it has been amplifying as they further militarize the police. There's good reasons why military and law enforcement are kept separate.

now the average person with a camera and a youtube account can enact outrage and change.
This is how we level the playing field, not by bemoaning that it exists now.

It's not exactly leveling the playing field, but it's a major help in certain areas. What YouTube doesn't help is the the smoky backroom deal etc. The thuggish steroid tribalistic cop is but a henchman. Getting some evil cops fired doesn't do anything to stop the machine he represents.

Filming a prison from afar doesn't change the way it operates anymore than painting a picture of Black Beard's pirate ship would have ended piracy (probably would have helped it).
We're being spied on and cataloged by every possible means, and our brains and DNA studied so they may manipulate and even predict our behaviors.

And this is besides the point, as your example wasn't even about addressing the system itself, instead it was to tell us to just have faith in the technology.... the technology and the AGI hivemind god will sort everything out for us and we can chase butterflies over the rainbow on our unicorns.

I have no clue where this 25% mark came...totally arbitrary number...lets push it to 98% if we are going to toss a random number for success on the inevitable...there, now the picture seems better, and with the same level of accuracy as the 25% randomness...lets toss out percentages on prognostication and simply say it will either succeed fine, or fail...where shall we put our energy at.

Wow! Pull the number out of your head that best suits your ideals, nevermind the realities of what we face. Please articulate what is going to prevent the scifi horror movie scenarios?

Tomorrow a synthetic meat is created...exceptionally cheap...healthy...made to look, smell, and taste as good as or even better than the real thing...
After that, most would stop eating animals (not all, there will always be hunters and such, but the mass slaughter of the worlds animals would quickly come to a hault) and suddenly the passions and the movements, and even the groups would quickly die.

You forgot to factor in how many people will refuse to eat "meat" grown in a mad science laboratory.

Never underestimate technology issuing in a complete profound mindset change about something...a technologist/futurist looks at the future and see's hope beyond the philosophical impass of the day because of the transitory properties of the right tech at the right time.

The funny thing is I'm a technologist / futurist and I don't see things that way. What said really means 'a utopianist / optimist with selfish emotional interests will mostly only see and propagate yummy good notions'.


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artificial intelligence is impossible, because all it would be is a computer program designed to respond to commands written in its program. every single action will require a command and program written by humans for every single task. even thinking for itself would require a command to initialize it. you could eventually make a robot that mimicks a human in every way, but it will always be dead since it is made of metal, plastics, alloys, carbon, silicon, copper etc. all lifeless materials and metals. like a tape recorder. you record your voice and play it back, but you wouldn't say its alive or intelligent because it talked back to you. you don't like america you can always not use the internet, not watch t.v., not play video games, not read newspapers, not watch commericals etc. no matter what the elite and all the evil in the world tries to do, you a have a God given gift that is above all that: free will.

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Has anyone stopped to think about the idea that this could have already happened? For all we know we could already be living in a computer generated reality.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

In the show they say "Fark" instead of "F&%#".]

They do not say fark, Fark is a website of amusing news tidbits and endless trolling. Know your sci-fi for frak's sake

Seeing the police brutality is indicative of the nature of the system but it has been amplifying as they further militarize the police. There's good reasons why military and law enforcement are kept separate.

The keyword here you used is "seeing"...you seen the police brutality when previously you seen no such thing...you see it now because technology is finally becoming commonplace in the hands of us plebs. a advanced population is now starting to keep the abusive authority figures in check...before you heard plenty of stories, but its one thing to hear it, its another to see it...this comes only from the technology in the hands of the people.

What YouTube doesn't help is the the smoky backroom deal etc. The thuggish steroid tribalistic cop is but a henchman.

Sure it does...taking the example of the acorn scandal (which wasn't a scandal but it was edited tape) and see how cameras could be snuck into such meetings. The more empowered "anonymous" feels, the more transparent these backrooms become.

(sidenote, the acorn immigration prostitution tape was found to be doctored and misleading...just felt the need to source this for anyone not aware of developments.)

Wow! Pull the number out of your head that best suits your ideals, nevermind the realities of what we face. Please articulate what is going to prevent the scifi horror movie scenarios?

That may be the easiest answer

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
Isaac Asimov

What prevents the nightmare senarios from happening is that we have contemplated them beforehand...our subconscious concerns continously express themselves through mediums, such as movies (sci-fi horrors) and books...simply the fact that we think of it means we contemplated it and started problem solving before it even became a reality...
The what if's are constantly being gone over by academics and armchair philosophers about everything constantly...the world collectively is a superbrain always solving new problems and problems yet to even exist the second it pops into our thought. Now, will there be accidents and upsets, sure, but that doesn't mean we should therefore never try anything, else we would have never made it out of the dark ages...we contemplate and consider risks, come up with a million potential solutions, then engage in trials.

Anyhow, fantastic thread...favorited it...and I like never favorite threads here.

Originally posted by Namaste
Has anyone stopped to think about the idea that this could have already happened? For all we know we could already be living in a computer generated reality.

Damn good graphics.


Anyhow, ya...thats sort of the core principles in some respects to every religion on the face of the world....this is an illusion, not our true nature, we are avatars of our true soul self.

I played the sims 3 once...I wonder if for a fleeting moment there was a spark of self realization in the little bot guy I moved around wondering if he was just a shell being used by something far greater than itself....

then he peed himself.

Originally posted by Namaste
Has anyone stopped to think about the idea that this could have already happened? For all we know we could already be living in a computer generated reality.

Infinity is really In Finite.

Universe
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Neuron
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Perspective is key...!!

Peace

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss


Wow matey that's a lot of work. An S&F would seem to trivialise it but you got them anyway. I certainly can't take all that in in one go but I've read as far as the first video so far.

I believe that within a decade or two we will reach a kind of technological singularity. I'm sure you've heard that term used in such a way. I forget the other name for the theory but it goes something like- the tech will advance so quickly due to automation and the independent nature of these ultra smart computers that many things will become obsolete before they are even manufactured as the tech event horizon will be moving so fast. That will be the time when there will be this runaway effect leaving us all completely unable to fathom, understand or repair the tech being produced. And it is this that will get us left behind and leave us vulnerable to the whims of the computers - a la skynet.

I do have to vigorously disagree with you on one point though. Yes the top of the elites are desperately searching for ways to extend their life spans, however they ABSOLUTELY do NOT want to be part of a hive mind. They want us to be part of one ,but for them to be part of a hive would be the worst kind of hell imagineable. They'll want control over it and the ability to drop in and out of it to experience whatever freaky fantasy they feel like that day. They are pretty keen on mind/soul transference and view that more highly than mere life extension in the same phyical body.

Also, because these elites know that the maths demonstrate that we are almost certainly living in a simulated universe, they are quite keen to start their own self sustaining versions where they can be kings of their own cosmos forever.

As an aside. I sometimes wonder whether these evil mad and greedy elites are treating us so badly to prepare us for a hostile universe that awaits us when we leave the cradle of earth. Maybe the poisoning of our food and water is to prepare our bodies. Maybe, the constant war footing that civilisation seems to be one is because we have to evolve to psychologically cope with a warring galaxy that awaits us. But that's a thread for another day.

HOLY CRAP! S&F and S&F!

I haven't even read through HALF of the research material you have provided and I'm giving you a S&F solely for all the hard work you did to put all of this information together AND post it all at once instead of dragging it on forever and ever.

THANK YOU! Excellent job!

i felt this change awhile ago, they think they are becoming gods, but it goes downhill....for them, our species in the long run, we eventaully become obsessed with knowledge, and dependant on technogly, we lose our very "souls"

There is a connection in all of us, with what makes universes, gives atoms thier force, and the more we use technogly, the more we depend on it, the more we lose this connection.

One only purpose will be to gather knowledge, to use technogly, to make things "easier" this is laughable
They want a hive mind, yet one can be created naturally, you see they fear dying so much, they want to prolong it as much as possible, they will never grow in spirit.

So we will come to a point in our lives where we can choose technogly (which is unnatural) or advanced spiritual outcomes (natual)

This isnt news i saw this coming for a long time, i know how this will play out, and when it does, just follow your insticts, dont second guess anything, do what you know is right and with that you can achive anything

I wonder about evolution in the context of this thread.

Is there a evolutionary path we are suppose to be on? Some here make it sound so.

Is there an evolutionary path that we are destined to create?
The children of Lucy or the children of Eve?
If this AGI can sense-reason and act is it then alive itself? Would we create another species like the terminator movies or the Hyperion novels.
Will it look at us in 50000 years and say we evolved from those primates?

Will it become the techno God of the future knowing all seeing all and giving messages to the elect?

Or perhaps it and homo sapiens will meld into one another.Plugged into the hive web at birth.Taught by the AGI.Conditioned by the AGI.We turn mankind into the Borg.
Rumor has it ever 25000 years or so we get zapped by some cosmic EMP.
Maybe its the Universes way of keeping consciousness biological instead of silicon based.

I wonder about evolution in the context of this thread.

Is there a evolutionary path we are suppose to be on? Some here make it sound so.

Is there an evolutionary path that we are destined to create?
The children of Lucy or the children of Eve?
If this AGI can sense-reason and act is it then alive itself? Would we create another species like the terminator movies or the Hyperion novels.
Will it look at us in 50000 years and say we evolved from those primates?

Will it become the techno God of the future knowing all seeing all and giving messages to the elect?

Or perhaps it and homo sapiens will meld into one another.Plugged into the hive web at birth.Taught by the AGI.Conditioned by the AGI.We turn mankind into the Borg.
Rumor has it ever 25000 years or so we get zapped by some cosmic EMP.
Maybe its the Universes way of keeping consciousness biological instead of silicon based.
edited to add-----
If there is a biological evolutionary path leading to higher brain function,will this artificial means of super human brain power help it or hinder its development?

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Wow...

I could not watch the video of the farmers brutality against the cows, that is absolutely horrible. Hell I do not think I can eat anything today after watching those videos....

Very well presented thread OP, thank you.

I have been thinking along the same lines for a while and I believe anyone who takes the time to analyse the information the OP has presented using a clear and logical mindset will come to similar conclusions.

As a Computer Scientist I do not really think we will get the "AI" that we see portrayed in movies but we will get some kind of statistical analysis and prediction engine that is very very powerful.

Feed into this all the data the governments want to amass (corporate, personal and private information through formats such as RFID etc) and it starts to make sense.

All this data on it's own does not have an quantifiable weight as a whole (but individually may have value such as bank account information, social security details etc).

That's where a large scale computerised data processing and analysis system comes in. Feeding on this data such a system, over time, could develop and recognise patterns which in turn could then be used to build a data terrain map across the globe (imagine a globe with patterns being applied to the land mass describing things such as population behaviour etc).

With enough patterns being applied and system that uses technology such as neural networking principles can eventually be used to predict how a large mass such as country will behave (in response to a manufactured trigger) right down to manipulating a single person (as an entity).

Take an emotionless system such as this, put an emotionally deprived human in front of it and you have a recipe for disaster as eventually the controllers are the ones subservient to the very machine they think they are controlling.

Reminds me of the super computer in a movie called Pay Check starring Ben Afleck (ropey acting but the movies premise is very similar i.e. an all seeing eye aka the computer that can peer into the future).

Adios,

O

I would argue that we are already living in the artificial system we constructed for ourselves and that we have become consciously unaware over time.

Creating the illusion that we are becoming technologically capable of creating this sort of world, only as a mental guise to slowly awaken ourselves to the collective reality that we are already in the system.

I would also argue that the hints are right in front of us, our perception is just being blocked to them until we are capable of understanding it on our own.

Take nvidia for example. Their logo is essentially the "Eye of Horus" against a masonic "checkerboard" background creating the inverse sides.

I've made mentions in the past that the Eye its self is not important. There is geometry, math embedded within it (when done properly) that invoke subconscious processes binding those who observe it to a tied reality.

Or something or other.

Point being that I believe we are already in the system and modern science, media, and society indicate this through whatever "hive-like" consciousness we share.

The technology is never bad, technology is forever a-moral. It's our intended use that people should ever be arguing.

Thats the best summary I've seen yet, it really has the ring of truth. Two thumbs up!!

I read this book Age of spiritual machines by Ray Kurzweil

Years ago in 2003 or 2004
It mapped out all this stuff way back then. Nowadays Kurzweil is a rockstar making regular appearances on the science channel alongside dr michio kaku. I think he is one of the top men in this project.

I get the KurzweilAI newsletter too, It basically lists all the advances they make in any of these fields as they happen. I basically have a list of all significant scientific advances for the past 6 years stored in my Gmail account

OP's name is wrong. Ignorance is bliss, no one needs to know that computers will outsmart the entire population and corporations will become god-like.

Theres ABSOLUTELY NOTHING we can do. really.

/thread

reply to post by randomname

artificial intelligence is impossible, because all it would be is a computer program designed to respond to commands written in its program. every single action will require a command and program written by humans for every single task. even thinking for itself would require a command to initialize it. you could eventually make a robot that mimicks a human in every way, but it will always be dead since it is made of metal, plastics, alloys, carbon, silicon, copper etc. all lifeless materials and metals.

The logic of that statement just seems to be completely missing...some how you think "metal, plastics, alloys, carbon, silicon, copper etc." are all "lifeless" materials? That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard...did you know the human body contains Carbon, Magnesium, Iron, Cobalt, Copper and Zinc? An artificial neuron could be made of many things, It doesn't really matter what you make the component out of...as long as that component has the ability to complete the same functions as a biological component would. Are humans simply complex biological machines living with the illusion of free will then? How does our composition make us any more "real" or "alive"?

There is no reason an intelligent life form capable of advanced cognitive functioning needs to be of a biological nature, though it really does help...and that's why serious study goes into 'wet' information processing, where the inspiration comes from living systems. True thinking machines will be something of mind blowing complexity, a mixture of biological and mechanical processes will go into creating an entity far more intelligent and durable than humans. I don't doubt for a second that if such an entity gained access to the internet our demise would come shortly after...

However, it's obvious that many people don't like the idea of humans creating a thinking machine...I think it's mainly fear coming into play, though some people have logical reasons...I think it's inevitable such technology will be developed, and I look forward to the day in fact...it'll be around the same time true virtual reality technology will be developed with help from the thinking machines...and if anyone tries to stop the development of virtual reality, there will be war! I think the key factor is dealing with advanced technology in a responsible manner, and making sure to take precautions, because you can't stop technological development, great minds are far too curious.

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