Islam is the best DEMOCRACY (NOT Western Democracy)

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Albanians are muslim, catholic and eastern orthodox.

Please take your serbian propaganda home. The whole world has seen your real face.

The problem that I see with any religious system being claimed as a good idea of a government system is that it is not a democracy, rather it is an olgarchy, a system of government that is run by the religious part of society, and not that by the people. In most countries where the majority of the population it is such a system, not a democracy. Yes the people vote, but the final ruling of the laws and approvals is by the clerics, not the people. It is the clerics that state what is and is not just, and it is a matter of prospective. In those countries, you have strict morality laws, restrictions on what you can and can not say, do, write and read. Under that system, the population is expected to act a certain way, told what they are expected only to know and questioning authority is highly discouraged. You can keep Islam, it may be good for you, but as for me I will keep the system that I live under. No it is not perfect, but under that system, I can believe anything I want to, say just about anything I want to, eat what I want, dress how I want to, and talk to anyone without either of us being afraid of the law.

This is perhaps the stupidest thread I have ever seen.

Muslims will go to any length to spread Islam. This example shows that muslims will even compare their system to democracy and the Constitution even though they are the antithesis of Islam. Do not but into this Islamic lying. The Koran and the Constitution are not amenable to each other.

Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization. Always has been, always will be.

Adherents to Islam should either apostate or work to eliminate Jihad from their "religion".

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
The Koran and the Constitution are not amenable to each other.

How can you even compare the two!

Constitution is written by fallible men, while the Qur'an is revealed from the infallible God!

Yes.. Set up this islamic utopia, get all of islam in one place then nuke it out of existence.. Instant world peace

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All I really know to say (other than getting sucked into a heated debate) is that Islam is not a democracy. It is a theocracy. That's all there is to it and I wouldn't want to live under such a government.

Originally posted by Michael Cecil
That is the real conspiracy underlying the conspiracy against Islam.

Were it known that Mohammed was Elijah and John the Baptist 'raised from the dead' and that the Doctrine of "resurrection" is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth', the multi-billion dollar Judaeo-Christian religious establishment would be in quite serious danger.

Any issues about democracy is a political matter.

Michael Cecil

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Not much difference between Politics and Religion in a Theocracy...

Line, of the 2nd kind.

Im sorry I didnt have time to read all 5 pages of posts however i have a concern and a thought toward all this.

How can anyone possibly think you can live inside of islam and not be a muslim and expect to be treated fairly? Like the laws of these lands would simply not apply to someone who happens to think things like women should hold office, or gay teenagers shouldnt be tortured to death?

This would be a theocracy, and so would be like Iran. And as far as I am aware, muslim or not, being gay in Iran is a death sentence... Because thats what the Quran says. Humorous though. The ONLY reason the western world, in my opinion became this advanced was because of a separation of the church. And if not, what the hell do you think the middle east would look like now if the catholic church ran Europe's and North America's Militaries? People without faith in the real world with control over it? Someone who spends their time trying to find out if a ghost is mad at them should not for instance, have a say in my child's education. Screw all that eh?

Just had to jump in here. To the OP; you go tell that to, the poor women who got a death sentence for cheating on her husband. You tell that to the countless of stoning-victems, who where muslims. Ask them how democratic they feel.

Peace

Originally posted by skajkingdom
How can you even compare the two!

Constitution is written by fallible men, while the Qur'an is revealed from the infallible God!

AND.....

Written down then interpreted and in some cases twisted by fallible Imam.

Originally posted by skajkingdom

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
The Koran and the Constitution are not amenable to each other.

How can you even compare the two!

Constitution is written by fallible men, while the Qur'an is revealed from the infallible God!

Yes men are fallible, however here is the challenge of the day: Prove that the Qur'an was from God. Last time I checked, all of the religious texts were written by the hand of man. God may have motivated them to do such, but it was still a man, a human being, who put down the words on paper, it is man who interprets the writtings and it is the fallible man who fights over the meaning of such. So before you make a blanket statement as to that it was done by God, please have the desency to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was coming from God. With out that proof, then the argument is as you would state, by man and thus fallible.

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Originally posted by Yissachar1
Yes.. Set up this islamic utopia, get all of islam in one place then nuke it out of existence.. Instant world peace

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Oh how appropriate coming from a ZIONIST.

So, you would, would you? It's your zionist sick dream to kill 1,5 billion people.

Well it is just a dream, and if anyone is gonna get nuked its you and your zionist state.

Please do the world a favor and go talk to a table or soemthing for a change.

Thank you.


Oh, look, once more moderators have no problem with people inciting GENOCIDE of muslims.

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Errrrrm.., Not a zionist... Lets talk about islam wanting to wipe those off the map who do not convert? Or the fact that irans president said he would like to do that to us? Or the fact that islam always needs an enemy to fight, someone to subdue?

I recently renounced my citizenship over the flotilla thing... Not the act of a zionist..

As for my comment.. I do not take it back... It m y opinion.. Deal with it,

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genocide? you guys are doing a good job of it yourselves!

this thread sucks, it is so stupid. the 2 chumps xpounding the virtues of islamic democracy is hilarious but you guys trying your best to reason with the ding-dongs from europe is a losing battle!


anyone from sudi-arabia? sudan? pallistine? gaza? iran?

no? well, hell! why not? good ol' islam, dat why!

Originally posted by oozyism
2. Islam allows everyone to choose.

4. Yes you can leave Islam if you wish.

I'm sorry, but that was some funny stuff right there. Islam doesn't allow anyone to choose. In fact, many ex Muslims fear for their lives once they "leave" Islam.

I know because my mom is with an ex-Muslim, they've been together for about ten years now so needless to say, I've gotten my fair share of horror stories straight from him.

Originally posted by oozyism
Islam is the BEST DEMOCRACY, here is why:

Western Democracy works on majority, while Islamic DEMOCRACY works on individual level.

Let's make it simple and break it down:

- Islam is the nation.

- A Muslim is the citizen of Islam.

- The constitution of Islam is the Quran.


Those three points make a perfect Democracy, because you choose whether you want to become a Muslim or not, no need for voting, no need for majority, while the minority watches and wait until it becomes the Majority etc.

Once you become a Muslim you accept the Quran as your constitution, and govern yourself, and those who want to be under Islam, through Quran, which makes a perfect DEMOCRACY.

CASE CLOSED!!

Questions and Comments invited.

PEACE!!

To my fellow human and brother oozyism, Peace be unto you and fellow human readers.

I have read your simple comparison and understand why you would presume the holy book as a Constitution to rule Mankind, more so as it is filled with instructions on the true path humanity must take in order to avoid been doomed.

You are also correct that the Koran is the ONLY intermediary between man and Allah and is personal that no other man can interfere. There MUST BE NO intermediaries comming between Allah and man.

It was the way as the good prophet Muhammad, the last messenger sent from Allah, would have wanted upon the expiry of his human body and rejoined back to the Heavens.

He left no successor, for as he is only a prophet, it is the will of Allah to present one, for the community to choose or not to choose on their free will.

The final message came at a time when mankind once again had been corrupted by the few evil men to sought to dominate Earth, after the Messiah, a prophet whom even the holy Muhammad had acknowledged, had tried to save humanity that our Creator loved.

And yet, no sooner had the final blessed messenger breathed his last, evil men once again sought for dominance and corrupted all that was good in the message.

It is not enough to read the Koran, but to read the history of how it came about and its aftermath, for example, how the first revelations by Allah was not written on paper or papyrus, but on leafs and skins.

Only the truth will set us free from the manipulations by evil men.

It was only after his death was the beautiful Koran compiled, but by them it was re-edited as evil men who rule determined how it should be, some added, some burnt, and how much of the true message had been lost...

But the purpose and existance of the Koran alone proves that our Creator loves us, even with added or missing pages just as the Bible was, and wants us to use our free will wisely, and not to harm anymore of His creations.

There was a time for war, but even more so, there is a time for peace, for all to live and love as He would have us, his creations to be.

We are all to be role models and inspiration for the rest of humanity whom knows not our Creator or His love and path laid out for us to evolve. It is not the form of worship, the outward piousness we show to others that will lead others back to our Creator.

It is from our hearts, and actions we do daily in our lives that will lead the way. And if you think the Koran, or at least the purpose of it is to show the way, regardless if it is labelled as Democracy, Socialism, Communism or whatever political labels popular with the day, then you and I must lead by example, to show peace, compassion, charity, logic to others and lead them to equality, progress, prosperity, justice and evolution of mankind as one, with common aspirations, for we all came from the same Creator...

Trust not my words, for I am not a proohet, only a simple insignificant nobody but judge my post for its merits and consider its meanings for neccesary action on yours and my part to our families, relatives and friends that makes up our world you and I share.

Hmm, Islam a democracy...sweet...so that means then that the people can democratically change the quran through majority voting...like remove some bits, or add some bits and addendiums...


no...hmm...so much for a democracy.

Islam is a theocracy...a trap...a standard religion based on fear and loathing, empowering a few in society into a highly structured settlement of pre-programmed ideas and ceremonies to enslave the minds of a population...it removes the divine nature of mankind, the creation of a perfect creator and instead holds it away from you, making you not connect with your true inner self...

Islam is a democracy the same way my dog is a japanese fighter pilot.

Were I a muslim, I'd have to question several of these threads of late.
Eye catching titles drawing attention to untenable positions.
Logical fallacies any child might point out echoed by posters with amazingly similar styles.
Thread after thread where the OP gets their butt handed to them.
What's the real agenda?
Is there a conspiracy here?

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Unfortunately, based off of reading the posts here, I would say you opened up the door, Skajkingdom for posts where people do advocated the destruction of a group who are of one faith or another, who are one way or another. We are all prejudice against something, none of us are angle, and have not been such since the day we all learned how to read, write and speak. Most people base an opinion, and thus form the basis of prejudice off of what they see, read, hear and experience.
There is no perfect form of government, no perfect belief, what may work for some, will not work for others. And that is something that seems to be true for all of the world at hand. Most people, are decent people, most governments have the same goals and drives, just choosing different paths to get there. But, based off of history, any government that has a strong religious form and nature, does not work, and tends to end very badly for all those under that form of government. Having faith is a good thing, but not at the expense of where a people are under the threat of death or morality based off of what some religion states is and is not legal. And it leads to far worse wars, where one religious group will attack and assult another based on the writings of some old tome, stating it is a just cause. No the world would be better, if religion is left as a matter of personal determination, and that the body politic is left to where it is a matter of what seems to be right for a country as determined by the people.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
You are also correct that the Koran is the ONLY intermediary between man and Allah and is personal that no other man can interfere. There MUST BE NO intermediaries comming between Allah and man.

How can you in the same paragraph say there must be no intermediaries between allah and man, and then say the koran is the only intermediary between allah and man.

reflect on that...either you believe there is none, it is a direct connection man to god, or you can put whatever you want in there...rulebooks, ceremonies, people, etc...you cant say both unless you want to create the most illogical Godbeing ever.

So...either there are books...people...and all that you must follow to connect to God/Allah/Whatever...

or there is only you and the being and the rest is manmade nonsense to distract you and move you away from the connection by filtering it.

which is it...you can't argue for both.