Islam is the best DEMOCRACY (NOT Western Democracy)

reply to post by Freeborn


I dont know, I dont even know what good bits there are, having never read a religious text.

Originally posted by oozyism
Islam is the BEST DEMOCRACY, here is why:

And what, pray tell, does this have to do with conspiracies in religion, which is what this forum is about?

Michael Cecil

Originally posted by Dark Ghost

Originally posted by oozyism
You pay different TAX because your citizenship will be taken away, hence you have to be a Muslim to be a citizen of Islam. Since you are not a citizen, you will pay JIZYA, because you are exempt from joining the army, and exempt from paying the Islamic TAX hence ZAKAT.

And no there will be no prosecution based on your belief:

Noble Verse 18:29

"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!"

Please excuse me if I am not comprehending that paragraph correctly, but isn't that saying if you accept Islam you will live a comfortable life, but if you don't then you will suffer until you do...?

[edit on 14/7/2010 by Dark Ghost]

Uh No.

The one speaking is Allah.

That's when you die not when you are alive.

It is the creator preparing something for you in the afterlife.

Originally posted by Michael Cecil

Originally posted by oozyism
Islam is the BEST DEMOCRACY, here is why:

And what, pray tell, does this have to do with conspiracies in religion, which is what this forum is about?

Michael Cecil

It is because it is shown that Islam, the religion most western civilization agrees the least with, would be a better democracy then the western civilization itself.


Meaning that it might be a conspiracy against the religion itself.


[edit on 14-7-2010 by Gentill Abdulla]

reply to post by oozyism


I have.

I'm not stupid.

I stick by what I said.

Whilst the content of thread has merits the title is misleading and incorrect.

Originally posted by Michael Cecil

Originally posted by oozyism
Islam is the BEST DEMOCRACY, here is why:

And what, pray tell, does this have to do with conspiracies in religion, which is what this forum is about?

Michael Cecil

Because there is a Conspiracy against Islam.



The Western Rhetorics Democracy is universal, that everyone should have Democracy etc etc

They are hiding the Islamic system, and its wonderful qualities from the radars.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


woody you really should take the time out to read both The Bible and The Koran, you will be even more amazed and confused at the futility and irrelevance of it all.

reply to post by oozyism


But The Islam system is not a Democracy...it is a Theocracy.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Dark Ghost

Please excuse me if I am not comprehending that paragraph correctly, but isn't that saying if you accept Islam you will live a comfortable life, but if you don't then you will suffer until you do...?

You are excused:

How did you come to that conclusion? I want to understand your mentality.

The people who reject faith can enjoy this worldly life as much as they wish, more so than Muslims even:

Noble Verses 15:2-3 "Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them)."

There is a reason why I speak of Quran without any doubts, because after reading it over and over again, I don't see it failing me.

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by oozyism

 

But The Islam system is not a Democracy...it is a Theocracy.

en.wikipedia.org...

Oh Jesus Christ !!!

LOL

I already explained what I meant by Democracy, don't drift away now..

reply to post by oozyism
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You forgot something rather fundamental. The individual.

Democracy in its most basic form is flawed, too.

The individual is at a loss, too.

Meanwhile, keep your own ideas out of my business, when I harm no one

Otherwise, I just might go insane and place myself into your personal business. K?

Can we reach an agreement about this or do we end up being buttholes?

Originally posted by oozyism

Because there is a Conspiracy against Islam.

Well, of course there is a conspiracy against Islam; if, by Islam, you mean the Revelations received by Moses, Isaiah, Daniel, Jesus and Mohammed: One of those Revelations being the Revelation of the Memory of Creation (Genesis 2:7) and the revelation of the memories of previous lives (referred to as the "psychic" resurrection in the Treatise On Resurrection found at Nag Hammadi), implied in the Torah, and later called the Doctrine of "resurrection".

That is the real conspiracy underlying the conspiracy against Islam.

Were it known that Mohammed was Elijah and John the Baptist 'raised from the dead' and that the Doctrine of "resurrection" is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth', the multi-billion dollar Judaeo-Christian religious establishment would be in quite serious danger.

Any issues about democracy is a political matter.

Michael Cecil

reply to post by oozyism


What YOU meant and everyone else understands seems to be two completely different things.

An Islamic government would be a Theocracy.

That does not detract from the essence of the thread, which I suppose would be your belief that an Islamic Theocracy is more favourable than a Western style Democracy.

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

woody you really should take the time out to read both The Bible and The Koran, you will be even more amazed and confused at the futility and irrelevance of it all.

I watched The Life of Brian, which is a film depicting the Bible story. I here its quite close to the book, although you will always have those that say the book was better

reply to post by kyred


Yes, the individual decides whether he/she wants to be an Islamic citizen or not, where is the flaw?

If someone sees something wrong within the Islamic system, they can move out. Live under another system.

Originally posted by Michael Cecil

Originally posted by oozyism

Because there is a Conspiracy against Islam.

Well, of course there is a conspiracy against Islam; if, by Islam, you mean the Revelations received by Moses, Isaiah, Daniel, Jesus and Mohammed

You leave out 20 prophets.

But at least you name some.

Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla

Originally posted by Michael Cecil

Originally posted by oozyism

Because there is a Conspiracy against Islam.

Well, of course there is a conspiracy against Islam; if, by Islam, you mean the Revelations received by Moses, Isaiah, Daniel, Jesus and Mohammed

You leave out 20 prophets.

But at least you name some.

The ones I mentioned are ones that have specifically received two Revelations:

1) The Vision of the "Son of man" (referred to as the "Night Journey" of Mohammed in the Koran); and,

2) the Revelation of the "resurrection"

More information about which can be found on the thread "Resurrection" & 'Rebirth' and at:


after-the-false-peace.blogspot.com...

Michael Cecil

Originally posted by Michael Cecil

Were it known that Mohammed was Elijah and John the Baptist 'raised from the dead' and that the Doctrine of "resurrection" is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth', the multi-billion dollar Judaeo-Christian religious establishment would be in quite serious danger.

I think it would be a hell of a blow to Islam as well, a religion that almost deifies Mohammned.

Any issues about democracy is a political matter.

Something most people seem to be missing, including the OP.

Democracy you say?

The status of women's testimony in Islam is disputed. However it is generally accepted that if Islamic strictures are followed exactly, a woman's status is inferior to that of a man. Some Islamic jurists have held that certain types of testimony by women may not be accepted.[46] In other cases, the testimony of two women can equal that of one man (although Quran says 2 women and 2 male are needed but if a male cannot find another male he may carry this testimony out himself).[46][Qur'an 2:282][47] Justifications for this discrimination have been put forward including: women's temperament, women's lack of interest in legal matters,[48] and also the need to spare women from the "burden of testifying".[49] In other areas, women's testimony may be accepted on an equal basis with men's.[46][50]

Controversial tribal customs such as diyyat or blood money remain an integral part of Islamic jurisprudence. By implementation this also discriminates against women. Diyya existed in Arabia since pre-Islamic times.[51][52] While the practice of diyya was affirmed by Muhammed,[52] Islam does not prescribe any specific amount for diyyat nor does it require discrimination between men and women.[53] The Qur'an has left open to debate, its quantity, nature, and other related affairs to be defined by social custom and tradition.[53][54] However in practice, the killing of a women will generally invoke a lesser diyyat than the killing of a man. Commentators on the status of women in Islam have often focused on disparities in diyyat, the fines paid by killers to victims' next of kin after either intentional or unintentional homicide,[53] between men and women.

A poor source but it suffices in this case

reply to post by woodwardjnr




The Book is much funnier.

I just wish they had the balls to do a version of Mohammeds life as well...that would be the funniest of all.