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Originally posted by IamBoon
I wanted to know who was the whore ? The beast is ridden by her and it seems to me that she is drunk on excess , delusion , and corruption. Can you help me on that?
Originally posted by IamBoon
Could she be Lilith? I mean she is the original whore.
Also, how do you quote just a specific part of a post? Would be helpful.
Woe to those who write the book with their own hands then say: "This is from God"
(Q, 2.79)
Originally posted by DISRAELI
reply to post by skajkingdom
The book you are quoting was written with men's hands just as much as Revelation was.
So, yes, Revelation, seriously.
This is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things which must happen soon, which he sent and made known by his angel to his servant, John, 1:2 who testified to God’s word, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, about everything that he saw.
Originally posted by skajkingdom
You didn't understand the verse literally, did you, as in "writing", "with hands", etc.?
It means those who author a book themself, THEN claim that the AUTHOR of that book is God ...
Originally posted by DISRAELI
Originally posted by DISRAELI
reply to post by skajkingdom
I'm aware that Revelation has many, many echoes of the Old Testament, and I'm deliberately making use of them in my system of interpretation.
The word "bad" is your subjective judgement, so I'm entitled to take no notice of it. I think this series of threads is making the cumulative case that the text is valuable.
And why are you bothering to tell me what books I should be reading? Do I appear on your threads telling you that you should not be bothering with the Quran because it's just an amateurish, repetitive, BAD, imitation of the Old Testament prophets? No, I don't. I just leave you in peace to interpret your own texts.
Just saying.
Originally posted by triune
reply to post by DISRAELI
I agree that the beast government will arise as a result of the world wide catastrophe of the seals opening and trumpets sounding.
After the 1260 years, the beast will be mortally wounded.
Revelation 13:3, "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death..."
Revelation 13:10, "He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword."
The prophecy is telling us that the beast would be destroyed with the sword (sword = military in this instance) at the end of its reign of exactly 1260 years of killing Christians. We just learned by the previous prophecy that this did in fact occur. But to further illustrate the fact that the prophecy also said the beast must go into captivity and die there, we find that history does tell us that the pope was removed from the Vatican, was placed in exile, and then died.
Pope dies: August 1799:
Fact: Documented Roman Catholic source states -"Half Europe thought... that with the Pope the Papacy was dead." -Joseph Rickaby "The Modern Papacy" Lectures on the History of Religion, Lecture 24, (London Catholic Truth Society, 1910), p.1
Again, this happened Exactly 42 prophetic months, or 1260 years, or a time, and time, and dividing a time after the Papacy began its powerful reign as a "woman on a beast" that the Pope did finally "...go into captivity" by the military of that day, and later did in fact die because of the actions brought forth by the "sword" or military strength of Napoleon.
Antichrist receives "deadly wound" that later heals.
Revelation 13:3, "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast."
As we just saw, the "deadly wound" was given to the Papacy by Napoleon in 1798. The Vatican still continued as a church however. But she was completely stripped of her civil and political power just as the prophecy declared. Then, suddenly in 1929, we see the Italian government recognizing Vatican City once again as an independent state. This political move once again made the Pope a religio-political power! Just as prophecy said, the mortal wound that was administered in 1798 by Napoleon was supposed to be healed. Notice how the newspapers of that day actually used prophetic language without realizing it..
Mussolini and (Cardinal) Gasspari sign historic Roman pact.
"The Roman question tonight was a thing of the past, and the Vatican was at peace with Italy... In affixing the autographs to the memorable document healing the wound of many years, extreme cordiality was displayed on both sides" -The San Francisco Chronicle. Feb. 11, 1929
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Pope Becomes Ruler Of A State Again
Rome, June 7.--From 11 o' clock this morning there was another sovereign independent State in the world. At that time Premier Mussolini, as Italian Foreign Minister representing King Victor Emmanuel--the first Italian Premier ever to cross the threshold of the Vatican--exchanged with Cardinal Gasparri, Papal Secretary of State, representing Pope Pius XI, ratifications of the treaties signed at the Lateran Palace on Feb. 11. By that simple act the sovereign independent State of Vatican City came into existence. -New York Times July 7, 1929
The beast is one that "was", "is not" and "yet is"
Revelation 17:8, "... behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."
The Beast that was: The Roman church began in 538ad and continued until Napoleon sent in General Berthier in 1798ad
...and is not: From 1798ad until the signing of the Lateran treaty in 1929 the Roman Church/state was non-existent.
...yet is: From 1929 to present the Roman Church has been a church & state.www.remnantofgod.org...
Pope Endorses “World Political Authority”
By Cliff Kincaid | July 7, 2009
The controversial Papal statement comes just before a meeting of the G-8 nations and a scheduled meeting between the Pope and President Obama at the Vatican on July 10.
Some in the media are calling it just a statement about “economic justice.” But Pope Benedict XVI’s “Charity in Truth” statement, also known as an encyclical, is a radical document that puts the Roman Catholic Church firmly on the side of an emerging world government.
In explicit and direct language, the Pope calls for a “true world political authority” to manage the affairs of the world. At the same time, however, the Pope also warns that such an international order could “produce a dangerous universal power of a tyrannical nature” and must be guarded against somehow.
The New York Times got it right this time, noting the Pope’s call for a world political authority amounted to endorsement of a New World Economic Order, a long-time goal of the old Soviet-sponsored international communist movement. Bloomberg.com highlighted the Pope’s call for a new world order with “teeth.”...www.aim.org...