One World Government....I'm game!!

Did it ever dawn on the OP maybe when the Aliens show up they are trying to escape their
One World Government !

Originally posted by PayMeh
reply to post by Annee

 

I'm confused.. If you say you think it will still hold regional government, how is that any different that what we have now? Isn't basically what you're talking about the same product just a different label? You know you can slap a Coke label on a bottle of piss and it still taste like piss right?

People are people and need personal attention. Neighborhoods & local culture - need local laws and arbitrators.

Science and major problems that affect the entire world need a One World Group Government.

Food and medicine - - need global management. There is ZERO reason in this world anyone should be hungry or not have access to health care. (also when natural disasters wipe out crops in one area - - other areas can fill in the void - - without jacking the price.

The "tricky one" business/corporations - - - need both local and global management.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by Annee

 

Just as long as you know who you are fighting and why and how to tell the difference. This is not an easy battle. Many people, very intelligent geopolitically and historically aware people, have been fighting this fight for a very long time, and sometimes even they can't even tell the difference. All I'm saying is don't get fooled.

Agreed!

This is NOT a "walk in the park".

Originally posted by BetsnRoses
You obviously aren't an American. If you were, you would understand what it means to be free. In a one world governance, governments are localized, and run according to Smart Growth plans, which are global. And if you think that 'beings' from other planets are gonna join you someday for a cuppa, then you've been watching too many movies. Anyway, they're already here.
You obviously must be under 50 yrs old to believe in a new age of aquarius where borders disappear and all nations embrace.
How proud we are of our flag. How proud every nation is of it's flag.
Would we still be able to flag it in a one world gov't?

These "you'd understand if you were American" - - posts - - bore me to death.

I'm 64+ and my family ancestry is Pennsylvania Deutsch - - from the early 1700s.

Forget the flag - - - have you bothered to read the fate of each signer of the Declaration of Independence?

America is lucky in its location with rich lands - raw materials - oil - etc. Many original Americans built this country on their own greed.

I don't fantasize on what and how this country was built.

Where else have you lived?

4 lines of my family have been here since 1635.
So you're saying the colonialists came here and built this country up from Greed?
I've lived in US & Canada, whats that got to do with anything?

Originally posted by BetsnRoses
4 lines of my family have been here since 1635.
So you're saying the colonialists came here and built this country up from Greed?
I've lived in US & Canada, whats that got to do with anything?

Did you miss the word "many"? Not Everyone - Many.

You gonna deny there were Many opportunist in the development of this country?

You gonna deny that we basically stole this country from its People?

US & Canada. I don't really see that much difference in these 2 countries.

One argument some love to give - - is America donates more money then any other country for foreign aid. True. But they are 3rd from the bottom out of about 30 of money per capita.

We are a very new country - - and we are going through "growing pains". We did really good at growing - using resources - populating. But - - what do we do now?

I really don't consider myself a better person because of where my feet touched the ground when I was born.

Like many (maybe even most) - - I will fight for the Ideals of our Great Forefathers and the Constitution they constructed. But I will never live with blinders on.

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I am an American...and I have never known freedom.

I was born into an American family that relied on government assistance to live. All the time, the politicians bickered back and forth on how much pay my welfare-collecting family would get in their assistance check. You could only hope that they were in a good mood.

I live in a country where I cannot travel without identification, cant drive without government approval, cant make certain financial transactions without the government being notified, cant live in a home that is not burdened by real estate taxes even if I OWN it, cant walk into my representatives office and have a conversation, cant own a gun without their approval, cant carry that gun openly, cant defend my home without fear of legal issues.....etc.

How does that flag look now? The flag has been used as a tool of manipulation to whip the Prolls into a patriotic frenzy when we have a sporting event and when we make WAR!

In a OWG you be able to fly the flag of your own kingdom, your own community. A man could do as he wished as long as he followed rules of basic human decency.

No one ever said a OWG would be perfect. It would be a tough life if everyone had to learn to be human again. We can only be the puppet/robots for so long.

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Oh thats so cool a cyborg beetle, possibly used to spy on others the government deems a threat or other country's, Hopefully nobody learns of this top secret program or they might put the boot to the beetle and there goes the most expensive beetle ever, a couple of hundred thousand $ stain on someones boot. But don't worry we can rebuild the little guys we can make them stronger, faster, more bionic. Thats so cool dam I wish I was rich so I can get a pet cyborg beetle, sucks being poor.

One world government is no joke, not something to be joked about. I wouldn't even joke about being 'game'.

Well said Zzombie. I completely agree with what you stated there. Absolutely correct imo.

1 - as mentioned already, there really is no difference between the kind of one world government you guys are proposing and the set up of the world as it is now...so why even bother

2 - if the UN is not enough and you insist to take it a step further, to a point where one single person acts as a "president of the world", then as also mentioned, it will NEVER happen without a vast loss of life through wars, cuz let's face it, several religious and other views will come into play, and personally, I'm not willing to take part in the creation of anything that will cost billions of lives.

3 - the whole alien contact thing is a whole different story, which imo, will also lead to war and massive loss of life. on top of that, there's a boatload of reasons to believe that any kind of "alien" contact will be scripted and staged. and if the alien contact were to come after the formation of the one world government, well then, i will have likely already died in the world war to have taken place prior so i wouldn't care....

I just do not see how this one world government you're proposing would be anymore beneficial than what we got now....and i guarantee that if TPTB weren't controlling the system and it was run properly from day one, then you would agree and not be proposing this in the first place...

a good one world government maybe inevitable, but that will be decades if not centuries after we stop the evil one trying to create itself right now, which will itself likely see billions of lives lost in a world war, so i say, forget about the creation of a good one world government, and lets deal with the evil one world government we have infront of us...

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The fundamental problem I have with one world Governance is that when a behind the scenes shady individual or group of individuals decide fifty or three hundred years down the road that they want to assume total power and control, they will and there will be no one left to stop them. If you would hand over your sovereignty to a conglomerate of mainly bankers who I assume have control in this scenario because in a monetary system he who controls the liquidity controls the law. Centralized government is an inherently evil and soul eating system. What is good for the individual is good for the state, not the other way around.

I don't think that a unified government would be good for humanity as a whole. Monopolies are never good. Competition causes us to strive to be better.

We'd probably even see an increase in terrorist activities and a more authoritarian government. In the past, the disenchanted could set off for "greener pastures" and colonize another area. In the present that's hard to do, but at least you can move to another country. If all countries were the same, where would they go? They'd have no other option but to lash out.

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Have you taken the time to read the entire OP along with the many follow up posts?

People have the power because we took it back from tptb.

The banking system would be pretty much non-existant. There would be no credit, etc because that is one of the problems that go us into this mess.

There would not be a centralized government as local communities will control their daily lives. The "One world government" would only set certain standards that humans must live by. Rules for everyday existance. The moment they overstep bounds, we take back the control.

Once again it seems that the point is missed and we cannot move to a "brand" of governance because people are stuck in the rut we have today. Its obvious that we can never self-govern or take control from facist rule becuase we are all afraid the new government will be the same as the old.

Almost every post that has disagreed with my thoughts on one world government have said this: "One world government will not work because those who control us now will control us then". That is a summery but it embodies the argument of most who disagree. They will control us FOREVER until we are willing to take back control and do all that is required to keep it. They will only control it if we let them.

So yes, fat lazy Americans such as myself will have to be proactive in our government. Any government will take as much power as it can unless the people keep them in check. SO it seems to me that the problem is not government, but the lack of will by the people to maintain their power over government.

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This sounds like a Republican stump speach.

Competition!

Terrorists!

I did not speak of monopolies and this would take OUR daily involvment to keep that from forming. Terrorism is a fear tactic used to keep people in line. Usually it is used by governments. So the only increase in terrorism would come from government entities that are trying to keep power.

I STILL havent read a good reason as to why this would not work. Most of you think the government will control us all no matter what but many of you are not willing to be a part of the process of change and part of keeping the government in check.

Even those who claim to stand for freedom, are still too lazy to stand......

I spoke of a governmental monopoly, if such things could exist. We'd all be one homogeneous people. Think of all the advancements that we've had all in the spirit of competition. The space program brought many technological advancements as we fought to beat the Russians to the moon; as did the various wars. We rank our schools, among other things, and compare them with other nations.

Competition forces us to strive to excel. One world government gets rid of the us Vs. them mentality that pushes us to be great.

If done right, it might make the world a happier place. However, it could be at the expense of our advancement as a people. We'd stagnate.

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I believe a government monopoly does exist in that we must have government.

Competition is great when it comes to the everyday retail and wholesale exchanges. It keeps prices in check and keeps people from being gouged. But why do we have competition in medicine? Shouldn't we share any and all information that would better the health of humans? Sadly not as we have taken to protecting the rights of such discoveries with patents and copyrights. The protection of profits is more important than the benefit of millions. This can be applies to many things including space exploration, schools and many more.

I disagree that competition strives us to excel. In some cases, absolutely. Sports may be a good example. But it can also fuel greed. Capitalism at its worse can be worse the root of many evils.

The future discoveries of the world would be made just as it has in the past. Everyday, intelligent people with create and share. From that cycle all things are possible when any mind can attack an issue or problem.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Mayson

 

Competition is great when it comes to the everyday retail and wholesale exchanges. It keeps prices in check and keeps people from being gouged. But why do we have competition in medicine? Shouldn't we share any and all information that would better the health of humans?

I can think of one reason. Suppose someone creates a medicine that cures cancer, but causes the dreaded anal leakage. Another person wants to do better. They come up with a cure without the same side effect. Everyone wins minus the person who came up with the original cure who might be driven to work even harder.

Originally posted by Mayson
I can think of one reason. Suppose someone creates a medicine that cures cancer, but causes the dreaded anal leakage. Another person wants to do better. They come up with a cure without the same side effect. Everyone wins minus the person who came up with the original cure who might be driven to work even harder.

I think that you actually prove my point. We have many medicines that work wonders to cure all sort of ailments. Many of these medicines have bad side effects. Due to patent and copyright laws, other bright individuals cannot take the formulas for such medicine and make them better. But we are stuck with a medicine that creates all these side effects and have to pay for them.

Like I said before, its more important to these corporations to preserve the rights to the money than it is to cure people..

Originally posted by sheepslayer247

Originally posted by Mayson
I can think of one reason. Suppose someone creates a medicine that cures cancer, but causes the dreaded anal leakage. Another person wants to do better. They come up with a cure without the same side effect. Everyone wins minus the person who came up with the original cure who might be driven to work even harder.

I think that you actually prove my point. We have many medicines that work wonders to cure all sort of ailments. Many of these medicines have bad side effects. Due to patent and copyright laws, other bright individuals cannot take the formulas for such medicine and make them better. But we are stuck with a medicine that creates all these side effects and have to pay for them.

Like I said before, its more important to these corporations to preserve the rights to the money than it is to cure people..

We're sort of stretching the analogy here. Now we're debating medicine and copyright law, but I'm game.

To use the same analogy, one world government wouldn't even give someone the option of creating a better way. There wouldn't be other bright individuals to attempt to find a new cure. They'd all be part of the same company.

If they did discover a better way, their company would suppress it. The only way to get it out there would be to remove the CEO of their company.

This might be marginally OK if there were only one better cure. Imagine the chaos if hundreds of employees thought their cure were better.

reply to post by Mayson


I only meant to use the medicine/copyright analogy to show how we could share information to better the human condition.

But I think that your post describes what we actually today. Corporations and government entities (FDA) will make the decision on what medicine will be prescribed at the doctor's office. If other scientists and chemists were able to take this new drug and test/expand on it, before it was put on the market, we would have a safer, more effective outcome.

But we can't allow that because of patents and legal rights over the formulas.

A New Government could consolidate entire communities of scientists that work independently or collaboratively, within their own terms and conditions, and all information would be shared within the community. This would allow a great number of people to work on all sorts of issues and ideas. No government shackle, or profit margin to meet. Just ingenuity and discovery. That's all I'm saying.