The Filesharing Conspiracy

reply to post by Blaine91555


I think you don't quite understand that there are people that willingly LOVE to build things, for the sake of building something.

There are people that LOVE to provide essential services. There are people that LOVE to nurse the sick and make our owwies go away. There are people that LOVE to create marvelous masterpieces because they feel like it.

This ISN'T a made up fantasy land that I fabricated within my mind. This is REALITY. People like this DO exist. They are real.

Those that create, simply for money, are people that don't need to be involved in that anyway.


People that draw, just to get paid, don't need to be drawing. People that drive a bus, just to get paid, don't need to be driving a bus.

The fact of the matter is that corporations rape this land and feed us tons of lies, holding back world changing technologies from us on the count of them loosing business due to the possibility ... or INEVITABILITY of us becoming INDEPENDENT from them.


They won't be able to continue with their lifestyle, so they'll continue to choose what little trickles down from the land of milk-and-honey and we'll fight over those scraps like a bunch of deranged animals.


Right? Competing for that little crumb of glory, that slice of life. I bet it's ****ing delicious.



Tear down this joke of a world and let's try for something different, something better. Something that doesn't run on the convoluted interests of the man behind the curtain. Something that doesn't rely on us stabbing one another in the back in order to rise above and have more than the rest.

Unfortunately, I don't see you people acknowledging that anytime soon. Not without an event of great loss and trauma.

I really wish it would be like a light switch without anymore unnecessary suffering.

Being a professional musician for the past 15 years, I have alot of experience with this issue.

Now what I want to address is people pirating my music. I have zero problem with this. Itunes charges a hefty fine for having your music available. But not for the customer....for me!! I only get 55% of money from downloads, then... I have to pay for my online account that recieves the money. By the end, I get 20% of the money from downloads.

In the end, I make nothing off of music downloads or CD sales. The CD's cost 1200 dollars to press, and they are free at my shows. I give them away, because I want you to listen, and then come see me live again!

Why give it away? Why is it ok to steal my hard-created music?

Because if the people like what I do, then they will come to my shows. My shows are what brings in the money. A $5 charge at the door can bring me in at least 800 bucks in a large enough venue. 800 bucks for one night!! But my cd sales will not bring that much in for a WHOLE YEAR.

The same goes for your major label artists. The get their money from their shows, not album sales.

Movies are different, however. So are books. Books especially. Book sales are the authors main source of income. Movies are complicated.

But music???

Steal it. Then go pay the money to see them live.


As far as the conspiracy of it all........It's totally possible that we will all be charged with piracy. Then TPTB can do anything they want...

So I'm a musician. I don't make any money from it online, for the reasons you've stated; everything can be had for free, independent mass-marketing is impossible, etc.

You seem to think that creativity in song-writing is the only thing a musician needs in order to create music - but how do you think these songs get online? Well, you need to record them. And how? Well, probably through some sort of multi-tracking software. And nowadays people expect good-sounding recordings, or immediately dismiss it as amateur. I know I do. So I need some decent software. Ok, so I'll shell out a grand to purchase pro-tools software or similar, even though I know I can't make it back through internet song sales.
...Doesn't really work, does it?

So I have an illegal copy of pro-tools (which with all the iLok protection and stuff, is no mean feat). Having that software not only allows me to record songs to a high standard, it actually helps greatly with the song-writing, being able to arrange things and add MIDI sample instruments et cetera.

The file-sharing phenomenon is a mixed blessing at best. Yes, it means that it's hard to make money from music, but is that really the point? It doesn't stifle the creativity of music, music will always exist even if no-one pays for it. And readily (although illegally) available resources and software is a wonderful thing for musicians. It means that any musician anywhere connected to the internet can discover ways of making their music heard, even if they aren't making money from it. Isn't it far better to have freedom for all in sharing their creativity than worrying that the elite will stop because they aren't making money?

reply to post by InertiaZero


I'm guessing that the latest trend in music may be to start performing really epic live shows. Making shows stand out entirely. Tons of pyro, light effects and dynamic theater techniques.

Originally posted by rival
Okay, an accurate analogy.

You go to the show (same scenario) and in the parking lot, there is a machine giving free access/download to the product the band is selling.
The band receives no compensation from the free downloads of their
property.

If this is okay with you, then here is another scenario. Open your front
door, people are on their way to take what they want from your
dwelling/property.

Not even remotely the same comparison.. If your going to lobby for something, please do so intelligently.

The band gains notoriety with each download and each song presented to a potentially new fan. What is the value of that notoriety? It is only with notoriety that the bands music has any value at all. So the argument could be made that the people downloading are helping the band become more famous, thus more valuable.

The second one isn't even close to an accurate analogy. Your comparing a persons belongings to a digital media. If perhaps I could simply copy a tv, or a couch then the analogy might fit. There isn't any personal violation with downloading music online. Sorry your argument is as failed as the logic you are trying to present.

Some of the posters here act as though they are the only ones to ever have their work exploited. I could keep a lawyer happily employed going after people that have burned me without compensation. So far the only creativity I've seen in this thread are the personal attacks by the group FOR the record companies.

Hmmm that in itself should tell us something.

..Ex

reply to post by Darkist


Bingo!

You people who honestly believe there should be no copyright laws outright DISGUST me.

I am an author of a book. I spent 18 hard, long months writing it, another 6 months to find a publisher, then another 9 to edit/rewrite it and prepare it for printing. To think someone could STEAL it from me without giving me a nickel for that work is sickening. Think of it this way: you cultivate a garden over a summer and instead of harvesting your crop, I come along and take it all for myself (oh, and my "friends" I "share" it with). Would that make you happy?

It's not that I expected to make millions off of my work. In fact, I know I won't (most writers, if they are lucky, scrape by no matter how many books they have published). But I merely hoped to make enough money to quit my "real" job and work on my writing full time.

I work on nonfiction pieces, hoping to pass what I've learned through my research to people interested in that same subject matter. Yes, it is enjoyable to me to do this, but at the same time, if I couldn't make even a small profit off of sitting down to hammer out a book, guess what? I'll keep that knowledge to myself and never write another word. And many artists out there like me will do the same.

Are you willing to trust all your information, your knowledge to untrained people who you can't substaniate? Any idiot can post something online. How do you trust it if no one is accountable for it? While you may not trust "big brother" media, at least you can sue them for libel or slander if they outright lie. Try doing that with a blogger who posts under an untraceable identity.

I do not understand the mentality of outright theft of artistic work. People seemingly do not care for quality. They're foolishly happy watching poor resolution videos, horribly compressed music, etc. as long as it's "free." Nevermind the suffering that went into making those works they enjoy.

But don't worry, freeloaders - you're day will end soon. Because once the artists stop creating because it's worthless to do so, there won't be anything left for you to take.

Originally posted by v3_exceed

Originally posted by Bspiracy
reply to post by v3_exceed

 

I just clicked the "thread" button under your name and all of your responses lead to the same thing. You still take what you want without asking for it first.

Well you have absolutely missed the point I was trying to make. You see what you want, and assume the rest. I have commented on MANY threads like this one. In each thread, my point is the same. Society is changing, and business that is meant to survive will adapt. I know mine has had to.

On this I agree but making an industry adapt because of thievery is different than making an industry change by the leading example of others who do take advantage of the digital advances.
I agreed with you on many points other than taking something that you did not pay for becasue you feel it's opportune..

So at what point do I take what I want without asking? By the way, your avatar is a clear representation of a copy written comic character that is NOT in the public domain, and appears to be used without consent by the copyright holder. So come on now...who's stealing from whom.

I scanned the image from my a book that I BOUGHT

Back before MP3s, I had close to 300 CDs. I realized that over half of them had only one or two songs that I even liked. Most of these songs had already been recorded on cassette tapes which I simply labeled ‘Tunes.’ So I loaded over 200 CDs into a box and took them down to my local library. They had just installed 3 listening stations but only had about 10 CDs.

I do the same with new books. Except for series, I would buy the new hard back, read it, and donate it to my local library. I love books. I also love my kindle. The Kindle gives me freedom. I can drop it in my purse and read or re-read any number of books. But my series ‘The Wheel of Time,’ ‘Dark Tower’ and ‘Kay Scarpeta” are all paper pages that I turn with love each time I read them.

The one thing I would like to see is an on-line library. One you could log-in to and read anything, listen to music, or audio books. People have checked out books from the libraries for years and no one ever complained that people were reading books for free. Fans will buy books, music, movies and art for their own collections. For those who can’t afford them, try your local library.

reply to post by SentientBeyondDesign


You live in a fantasy world with apparently no personal creativity to write a book or song or produce a film. I've worked for 15 years writing prior to getting published (by a small publisher). While I love to write, I would NOT do it simply for my friends to share. Too much work goes into the effort to make it exactly the way a writer wants it to do it simply for fun. I would not hole up in my office, pounding out word after word, when I could be outside enjoying the world and the company of my family and friends if I didn't hope and pray I could make a living doing what I love.

If I never had to worry about food, or shelter, or any of the other needs it takes to survive today, maybe then yes I write for "fun." But guess what? That's NEVER going to happen - even if people stop STEALING my work and I get paid enough so I don't have to worry about my basic needs so I can write without worry.

There's a huge difference between me giving away my work knowingly (for promotion or whatever the reason), and some knob feeling he has the right to simply take it from me because he has the capability to do so.

Originally posted by Bspiracy

I scanned the image from my a book that I BOUGHT

Originally posted by v3_exceed

Originally posted by Bspiracy

I scanned the image from my a book that I BOUGHT

First ever double post.. I guess the internet gods were trying to hammer the point in

b

[edit on 27-6-2010 by Bspiracy]

Originally posted by Danbones


the " piracy" laws being passed are the "conspiracy"
they are all about totalitarian control of a mediam that is exposing the corporate globalist fraud at a totally incredible rate.

using starving rich people as an excuse to take away civil rights

Exactly

This thread is not about musicians but the Elite Musicians and their elite corporate masters.
99.9 percent of musicians never produce any copyrighted original songs. A few may session on somebody elses original work. The Elite always want total control of the money and power,thus their position should be viewed with suspicion. They are not entitled to have it their way just because they
want it so. Are people worshiping these Elite Artists? The people have an inalienable right to music and art.


New Technology. There is no cost to replicating music via the internet.
Nobody ever paid for a meal from the Star Trek replicator. It is now possible for everyone with a computer to have access to every book, every photo, and every song every recorded. USING THE OLD LP/CD PLASTIC TECHNOLOGY EVEN AN AFFLUENT PERSON COULD NOT AFFORD TO HAVE A LIBRARY OF TEN THOUSAND RECORDS ,WHICH AT 15 DOLLARS EACH WOULD COST 150,000. The PLASTIC TECHNOLOGY IS THUS DEAD. LONG LIVE THE FREE INTERNET.

Libraries: These have been around for thousands of years. A library obtains a copy of work,book,music,video and then loans it out thousands of times. Are they stealing from the creator of the work?Video stores do the same thing,why should they be legal?DO YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO A FREE PUBLIC LIBRARY?


The question then arises, what is the greater good? Should an artist sell only 1,000 copies of his work to 1,000 rich people for 1,000 dollars each, thus making One Million dollars or
should the artist sell 100,000 million copies of his song and get 1 cent per song thus making One Million dollars.

This seems to be a no brainer. Most artists would rather be seen by 100 million people than 1,000 rich people. And most people would agree with this distribution of the wealth, dont you think so?

Artists are entitled to make a living but should we expect every artist to become a near billionaire like Paul McCartney? The Richer the rich get the poorer you will be.

Socialized Music doesnt sound so bad. Why not pay an artist for the number of times his music is downloaded? The artist gets 25 cents per song for the first ten thousand downloads, then a decreasing amount. If a song gets downloaded a ten million times the artist might end up with a huge amount of money. This would have its challenges,bots,etc.

The RIAA does not care about the Artist,The Art , or the Consumer. All they care about is the money. The artist is lucky if they get 5 cents on the dollar, the rest goes to the middlemen and the recording companies.

So the issue that is raised regarding copying is one of class warfare. The new elite want to have monopoly control, for ever on a work of art, thus again making slaves of the rest of us.














[edit on 27-6-2010 by RRokkyy]

reply to post by MrParanoid


You're seriously sitting here griping about all the work you put into "making something". Seriously, if it was so much (SNIP) work, then just don't bother with it.

I've spent the last 8-9 years writing for pure enjoyment. All sorts of creative and collaborative exercises. I remember coming home from school and writing stories from the moment I got back until midnight.

I did it because it was (SNip) AWESOME to me. The thrill I got from writing was intense. Just weaving together all these complex circumstances and dynamic scenarios.

Literally, I was AMAZED with how much power writing gave me. It was better than ANY video game I had ever played. Just ... wow.

And you know what the best part was? The reactions I got when people read my work. Or learning from the work of others, learning things about writing or facts about the world around me.



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Then I got someone here who complains that they worked so hard to write, and if they won't get paid, they ain't gonna write. THEN DON'T WRITE.


Seriously. Don't bother with it. Lol.

It isn't for you.


If you're in it for monetary gain, then just don't bother. It isn't something you need to be doing.
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[edit on 27-6-2010 by asala]

Originally posted by Bspiracy
First ever double post.. I guess the internet gods were trying to hammer the point in

b

[edit on 27-6-2010 by Bspiracy]

My freely gained avatar is the result of my own creativity. Although parts of it were automatically generated, it was based entirely on my own crativity, which is more than I can say for you.

Your Avatar is a rip off of a scan. Stamping ATS on it hardly legitimizes your theft. The fact is you just don't want to admit your as bad as every other pirate, unless you have written authorization from the publishers (not the artist) of Bloom County which I would bet you don't you should not be exploiting their hard work for your own personal gain. Even if you convince yourself your promoting the artist.

..Ex

reply to post by SentientBeyondDesign


My hard work is no excuse to get paid? Then neither is yours or anyone elses. Let's all do the bare minimum and live in your world of make-believe where everything is free and just given away.

Do you practice what you preach? If you love your home so much, why don't you just let anyone bunk there and eat your food and sleep with your significant other. Do you have a pet? Or children? Can I take them, too? (I like them). It's not stealing if I want them and they are "yours" because there is no "yours". Are you cool with that? Do you do it?

It's amazing that you honestly think I (or anyone like me) should actually profit from my work. Amazingly, it's not a new concept. Even the ancient writers and musicians made a living doing what they loved. They made their money by being the best at what they did. Homer didn't just come up with the Odyssey for "funsies." Beethoven and Bach were paid for their work. WHY SHOULDN'T I AND EVERYONE ELSE LIKE ME?

reply to post by MrParanoid


See, that is where your argument falls apart. People don't need to get PAID to work hard. You think everyone is as greedy as you? There are people, believe it or not, that WOULD work EVEN HARDER THAN you for something they love to do. Without caring if it every becomes best-selling or epic in the eyes of the trendy or the markets.

good read my friend,yes in my country we download everything for free,and i dont care what ever people call me,with the money they spend i can buy some
really usefull stuff!
i would pay for something that really deserves the money,like assassins creed 2

and i really see there are lots of stupid sites in america.who pray on people wanting free new episodes and torrent,and only scam then to watch ads.
that sucks,screw the owners of these sites