Aliens Do Not Exist!

Originally posted by hornum

Originally posted by nahsik
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Wait so your making a presumption that they are not here or on any other planet on what evidence? Have you even done your own research?

Have you heard the saying - there are more stars and planets in the universe than there is sand on all the beaches on planet earth.

Your saying that not one of these planets could harvest life, or even a civilisation? Or maybe a civilisation that would be far more spanning and intelligent that ours? Your saying that not one of these planets that possibly might have these qualities i mentioned would be interested in searching for other intelligent life out there like ours?

So your telling me none of this could ever be possible, for as long as we have lived or will live?

So you ask me why haven't they landed on this planet and have been in contact with us humans?

Well they possibly might have. Lets put it in perspective, would another species like an ant be able to communicate with us? and would we want to communicate with them? All we do is collect data, analyse them and let their insignificant lives go on in nature. Have you not thought that Aliens would be interested in doing the same?

Yes that is what I am saying. Do you really think aliens would fly all this way or slip in from another dimension in ships lit up like christmas trees to observe us from afar while abducting people, mutalating cows and making crop circles? I do not believe what is observed is aliens from another planet. I believe they are from here. If they are so advanced why wouldnt they communicate via radio etc. Even if they were so advanced and didnt possess such arkaic technology I'm sure they could pick up a scanner from somewhere, and surely they would understand our language being so advanced and all.

I have always wondered this same thing, if they (aliens) are so advanced why do they need blinking lights, and why all the subterfuge. When they could just land and say hi.

reply to post by hornum


If you really think we are the only intelligent lifeforms in the universe/multiverse, then I must be honest & say that I do pity you.

What makes humanity so special? I would love to know why you think we are the only intelligent lifeforms capable of space travel.

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I guess it's all in how you define alien. Many times in Genesis God is plural. Gen 3:22 "And the Lord God said, 'The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever'."

I take this passage to mean that 1) God is many individual beings and 2) the only thing that seperates us from God is immortality.

Right before the Noah story, out of nowhere is Genesis 6:1-6:8. The point can be taken from Gen 6:4 "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days-and also afterward-when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were heroes of old, men of renown.

I've given much thought to this passage and can only think 1) this sounds much like the Greek Gods, so there is probably more to that story, 2) sons of God sounds plural, like what Gen 3:22 said of God, and 3) the flood was more to get rid of the human/God half breeds than to wipe out humanity.

So, if you define alien as not of the earth, God is an alien, and we were created for a specfic purpose, of which I don't know.

still feeding the trolls are we?

Yeah righ! Everything the government or that organization that you've mentioned always tells the truth. I laugh at critics like you for being so ignorant and narrow minded.

I look at this way. There are a lot of things in life that I can't prove. However, logic dictates that aliens exist. Most scientists agree that the odds of us being alone in the universe are pretty slim if not impossible. In the past few years, scientist have found many "earth type" planets that could give life and I forget their exact projections in numbers, but it's above 100,000 in the universe.

The other factor that leads me to believe there are aliens is that several of our own astronauts have stated they have been watched in space by UFOs. Those that are quite vocal about it are:

Apollo 14 Dr. Edgar Mitchell who said he was aware of many UFO visits to Earth during his career with NASA, but each was covered up. "I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we have been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real." "It's been well covered up by all governments for the past 60 years or so, which slowly is leaking out."

Also, astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin have been very vocal about their sightings of which Neil Armstrong has stated there is an alien base on the moon. Aldrin also stated that all Apollo and Gemini missions were followed.

Many soviet astronauts have stated the same.

Now, let's also get to the fact that there are ancient hieroglyphs in Egypt and South America and North America dated thousands of years ago showing the same shape of alien form painted/etched on the walls. How do different cultures not exposed to one another, thousands of years ago, come up with the same depictions?

It's illogical to think there aren't aliens from other planets

To address your secret spacecraft made by humans...yes, we have them. However, they were developed through reverse engineering according to retired scientists that have been interviewed on these secret projects. Yes, some of the sightings are our own vehicles, but those seen by astronauts in space and actually contact reported by these astronauts...are aliens.


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I must respectfully disagree with Hornum.........UFO's notwithstanding there are PYRAMIDS on Mars. That is not an opinion that is a FACT. Now, I'll be honest here...the way science works we cannot just jump to the conclusion that the Pyramids on Mars were made by intelligent beings, however, given information we do have such as:

1) There are Pyramids on Earth
2) They are found all over our Planet, including underwater
3) The Pyramids on Earth are intelligently made.
4) Scientists tried to reproduce a Pyramid using sand in a wind tunnel
and that experiment failed and...
5) There are Pyramids on Mars
6) If we give ourselves the luxury of including all the other anomalies found on
Mars (triangles, etc, etc.) Venus, the Moon, Titan, Europa....

it is my contention we can at least take the liberty of suggesting the possibility/probability that there was (at least one) intelligent ancient civilization outside of Planet Earth.

In my view, it is premature to state definitely that ET's did not, or do not exist.

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Originally posted by MCAinSTL
reply to post by hornum

 

I guess it's all in how you define alien. Many times in Genesis God is plural. Gen 3:22 "And the Lord God said, 'The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever'."

I take this passage to mean that 1) God is many individual beings and 2) the only thing that seperates us from God is immortality.

Right before the Noah story, out of nowhere is Genesis 6:1-6:8. The point can be taken from Gen 6:4 "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days-and also afterward-when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were heroes of old, men of renown.

I've given much thought to this passage and can only think 1) this sounds much like the Greek Gods, so there is probably more to that story, 2) sons of God sounds plural, like what Gen 3:22 said of God, and 3) the flood was more to get rid of the human/God half breeds than to wipe out humanity.

So, if you define alien as not of the earth, God is an alien, and we were created for a specfic purpose, of which I don't know.

God is not an extraterrestrial. God Is. The Nephilim were sons of nobles.

Originally posted by SusanForKucinich
I must respectfully disagree with Hornum.........UFO's notwithstanding there are PYRAMIDS on Mars. That is not an opinion that is a FACT. Now, I'll be honest here...the way science works we cannot just jump to the conclusion that the Pyramids on Mars were made by intelligent beings, however, given information we do have such as:

Pyramids on Mars are not a proven fact! However I don't personally rule them out.

reply to post by ptmckiou


A projected 100,000 planets like earth is exactly that a projection. Scientists don't actually know so the make projections. As for astronauts, what they are seeing is our own technology. They believe it to be alien because they know nothing about it. Understand these things are only known to a fortunate few here on earth.

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I can assure you they are US. A genetic program has been under way for a very long time so there are GE humanoids. This is required for various different reasons, mainly that they are designed for different tasks. One thing I will tell you, Imagine the most horrific things tou could do to a human being. Well they have been done and are being done in secret locations here on earth and the moon. I don't know about other planets but I wouldn't rule it out.

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One thing I would like to know from you- How do you think our jump in technological advancement came about?

Originally posted by Tripple_Helix
reply to post by hornum

 

One thing I would like to know from you- How do you think our jump in technological advancement came about?

We have been at various stages of heightened technology throughout earths history, things have been wiped out and humans start all over again. Some technology was recovered hundreds of years ago some thousands of years and that is where we got it from. Previous humans left us the technology. Might I add that there is alot underground/Mountains that would boggle your mind.



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This is cute. Such fun. OH NO! Aliens are not real?

Nothing is real. Everyone is in a dream. You cannot prove you exist, let alone aliens. So sweet how the youngsters play with limited awareness.

It's also interesting how pre-intelligent holo-spirits fool them selves. The arguments for and against are all missing the point. Forms of awareness are all throughout what we perceive as "the Universe". One of infinite modalities of existence.

Our problem is that we are at such a low level of gross matter in our evolution, we are blind to anything but our bigoted human-only myopic classification of life.

Some of our species have seen wide-field truth. FYI Everything is alive, conscious and vitally intertwined. The Earth herself is a being. We are out of control viruses who have injured her biosphere. The Sun, Planets, galaxies, all with forms of awareness so beyond our capability of thought as to be blinding to us. Literally. Forest for the trees.

And within this and infinite worlds and universes are countless lifeforms.

Aliens don't exist? WOW! that is a bag of hammers deep thought. (Apologies to the living vital energy composing the matter in hammers)

Get yourself some Depends. They will be quite handy for you soon.

My smile goes feet off my face.


Have a nice planetary rotational unit.
ZG

Much of our technology has come from reverse engineering advanced craft that we have acquired, such as the Roswell craft among others.

Originally posted by ZeroGhost
This is cute. Such fun. OH NO! Aliens are not real?

Nothing is real. Everyone is in a dream. You cannot prove you exist, let alone aliens. So sweet how the youngsters play with limited awareness.

It's also interesting how pre-intelligent holo-spirits fool them selves. The arguments for and against are all missing the point. Forms of awareness are all throughout what we perceive as "the Universe". One of infinite modalities of existence.

Our problem is that we are at such a low level of gross matter in our evolution, we are blind to anything but our bigoted human-only myopic classification of life.

Some of our species have seen wide-field truth. FYI Everything is alive, conscious and vitally intertwined. The Earth herself is a being. We are out of control viruses who have injured her biosphere. The Sun, Planets, galaxies, all with forms of awareness so beyond our capability of thought as to be blinding to us. Literally. Forest for the trees.

And within this and infinite worlds and universes are countless lifeforms.

Aliens don't exist? WOW! that is a bag of hammers deep thought. (Apologies to the living vital energy composing the matter in hammers)

Get yourself some Depends. They will be quite handy for you soon.

My smile goes feet off my face.

Have a nice planetary rotational unit.
ZG

I don't disagree with you. We humans are pretty infantile in our development relatively speaking.

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Originally posted by hornum

Originally posted by gordonwest
I heard people talking about the U.S.
I heard people that have been to the U.S.
I have seen soo many pictures-t.v shows-movies about the U.S.

So how would *I* know 100% that the U.S is a real country with real citizens in it?

... because *I* have NOT personaly experienced the U.S in anyway for being there and NOT seeing the place for myself.

How can I belive that the U.S is real?

* I know it IS NOT the same topic, but it is a "example" of the same-basic topic. *

Jump in a plane and fly to the states! Try flying to Malmac and visiting Alf!

Thats a silly example

I started reading this thread because I thought there just might be an intelligent statement coming from it, as point so to speak possible white flag option.
Boy was I wrong !!
After the first page I ran in to your answer on the post from Gordonwest.
You didn't even get his apt example. How simple can someone make an example for someone to get it. I guess this says it all !! You must be very young and uninformed, I will stray from calling you plain dumb. Let me assume the best rather.

It's clear you are completely ignorant about the topic and clearly wouldn't post something like this if you were intelligently seeking truth. So lets teach you how to acquire information.

If you are prepared to spend months doing research, because I think in your case that's what it would take, and in particular observing what experiencers have to offer, then you will eventually arrive at a point where you can ask the question. Will the thousands of highly qualified people in sensitive positions, ranging from the sciences to the military to those in common employment etc etc , ranging geographically the world over, be in this together as a fantastic conspiracy, or are they merely void of a reasonable self esteem and therefor are on an attention seeking journey, in order to gain attention or notoriety. Wrong !! The attention these people get is far from that in the whole!! They mostly get attention in a way that ridicules them, day in and day out from uninformed people like yourself, who do not have it in them to look past the obvious in life and rather decide : let me learn more, or maybe on a deeper level to consider the statement " I am a possibility".
Is it possible for you, just maybe to consider the position of those, that talk about their experiences and share it with the world, find themselves in, in their daily life. Consistent ridicule from those like you. I wonder how long you would take such a beating. It's not fun believe me!
Yes there are people who tell stories that are not the truth. That's life, but in your wildest dream, not everyone is lying or delusional or attention seeking. Use just a little uncommon sense!

Do you think by any yardstick that it's fun, enjoyable, a way to live a life when you have a doctorate in Physics, Astro Physics, Engineering Mathematics and the like, to toss all this down a toilet in the hope you can stroke your ego a bit ? Have you any idea what it takes to study these sciences and achieve a D ? Countless people that have walked this academic journey around the world have had these experiences.
Here is a question you maybe want to ask yourself personally !
Did you maybe consider why they have been contacted or are in a more privileged position to know and not "wonder" like you.
Don't "wander" my friend.
Do the work and do it fast, before you publicly decide to advertise the level of your thoughts. Don't shoot yourself in the foot before you even get into the trenches, let alone the front-line.
In life there are three types of people. Those that are dead because they are not breathing, those that are alive because they have chosen to become more of who they are and less of what they have been and then there are those that are the un-dead. They are not dead because it can be seen that they are breathing.Hope this helps.

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well unless you believe that TPTB have advanced anti-gravitational technology, i can assure you that you are 100% wrong.

Originally posted by hornum
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To put it simply, people who believe in Aliens are wrong and are being decieved by TPTB. Now you might say "I've seen one" or "I was abducted" and that is fair enough but where is the proof? or more to the point where is the proof they are aliens?

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I am going to share a theory which is not new to many of you so bare with me.

TPTB have had science and technology far beyond the mainstream knowledge for a very long time.

***snip***

I'd like to offer another theory (which by scientific criteria is fact until proven wrong):

Hypnosis exists. We all know that. Some people can be hypnotized to believe in false memories. that is also a proven fact.

Self hypnosis also exists. It is a proven fact. It is in all probability the basis of any or all "self awareness", "enlightenment" or meditation experiences.

It is also probable that if exposed to something unknown or difficult to understand, a person can (or will) try to make it fit into a known framework. It follows that those persons will have a possibility of inducing an "alien or UFO (alien craft)" angle to their experience.

Given the way a human mind works it is therefore conceivable that UFO witnesses suffer from a kind of self hypnosis.

I think it's evident that this is what Hornum thinks the universe looks like.