J-10,from China,I am proud of it

Originally posted by Russian
UCAV?

Is that all US is shooting at for 6th generation?!

Russia thinks its 6th generation will be a space fighter!

As they say...

Shoot higher to be the best.

Out,
Russian

Russian - you are dead on about the US media and much of the population - they are yellow belied cowards. However, as you have probably gathered from this board there are also some of us Americans left that would be signing up this morning if we awoke to find our country being attacked.....

Now, to the quote above.... If Russia is trying to get a space plane as it's 6th gen fighter, then why are they bitching to the US about milliterizing space? Also, it would be nice to see them complete there 5th gen fighter before they start talking about a 6th gen. Besides, while Russia thinks it will be a space fighter, the US knows it could build one if needed.

For all of Russias great military power, they are still underfunded compared to the US and lag behind in some key technology areas (notice i said some - I am not stupid enough to believe that the US has the best of everything). Personaly, I would really like to see the US and Russia become allys instead of rivals (wishfull thinking I know). We could really set up an alliance for the ages, and build some absolutely revolutionary weapons. The way I see it, we have the same top 2 threats - terrorism and China. Maybe you could offer some insight as to why it seems that Russians still view America as their enemy, while Americans got over that in the early 90's?

[edit on 17-6-2004 by American Mad Man]

Korea War-a fogotten war

Death Capative Wounded missing

China 135,600 21,000 380,000 8,000

ALLY 415,000 12,500 425,000 459,000

U.S 61,000 8,000 103,000 8,100

Fee for the war
U.S:$20 billion CHN:2 billion

Originally posted by American Mad Man


Russian - you are dead on about the US media and much of the population - they are yellow belied cowards. However, as you have probably gathered from this board there are also some of us Americans left that would be signing up this morning if we awoke to find our country being attacked.....

Now, to the quote above.... If Russia is trying to get a space plane as it's 6th gen fighter, then why are they bitching to the US about milliterizing space? Also, it would be nice to see them complete there 5th gen fighter before they start talking about a 6th gen. Besides, while Russia thinks it will be a space fighter, the US knows it could build one if needed.

For all of Russias great military power, they are still underfunded compared to the US and lag behind in some key technology areas (notice i said some - I am not stupid enough to believe that the US has the best of everything). Personaly, I would really like to see the US and Russia become allys instead of rivals (wishfull thinking I know). We could really set up an alliance for the ages, and build some absolutely revolutionary weapons. The way I see it, we have the same top 2 threats - terrorism and China. Maybe you could offer some insight as to why it seems that Russians still view America as their enemy, while Americans got over that in the early 90's?

[edit on 17-6-2004 by American Mad Man]

US still is not very comfortable with Russia too.

Also about Russian 5th generation fighter.

There will be a first prototype in 2005-2006 and will hit production in 2010. Well unless Su wants to be closed by the Russian government.

Out,
Russian

Originally posted by American Mad Man

Originally posted by Russian
UCAV?

Is that all US is shooting at for 6th generation?!

Russia thinks its 6th generation will be a space fighter!

As they say...

Shoot higher to be the best.

Out,
Russian

Russian - you are dead on about the US media and much of the population - they are yellow belied cowards. However, as you have probably gathered from this board there are also some of us Americans left that would be signing up this morning if we awoke to find our country being attacked.....

Now, to the quote above.... If Russia is trying to get a space plane as it's 6th gen fighter, then why are they bitching to the US about milliterizing space? Also, it would be nice to see them complete there 5th gen fighter before they start talking about a 6th gen. Besides, while Russia thinks it will be a space fighter, the US knows it could build one if needed.

For all of Russias great military power, they are still underfunded compared to the US and lag behind in some key technology areas (notice i said some - I am not stupid enough to believe that the US has the best of everything). Personaly, I would really like to see the US and Russia become allys instead of rivals (wishfull thinking I know). We could really set up an alliance for the ages, and build some absolutely revolutionary weapons. The way I see it, we have the same top 2 threats - terrorism and China. Maybe you could offer some insight as to why it seems that Russians still view America as their enemy, while Americans got over that in the early 90's?

[edit on 17-6-2004 by American Mad Man]

Don't be so afraid of China.

Acturally,Russia has some problem in its ecnomy system.Russia should be a powerful country today,but....
I think Russia should learn from China for economy development.

Russia was a communist country like China before 1990,but what's wrong with Russia after 1990?
Nowadays China is in market ecnomey,over 50 billion U.S dollors are invested to China per year.

Did Russia go to the wrong way to develop economy?I have no idea about it.

Originally posted by gastric cancer

Don't be so afraid of China.

Acturally,Russia has some problem in its ecnomy system.Russia should be a powerful country today,but....
I think Russia should learn from China for economy development.

Russia was a communist country like China before 1990,but what's wrong with Russia after 1990?
Nowadays China is in market ecnomey,over 50 billion U.S dollors are invested to China per year.

Did Russia go to the wrong way to develop economy?I have no idea about it.

Russian capitalist ruined Russia. If it wouldnt be for that fag Yeltsin then Russia would be in a MUCH better position.

Out,
Russian

russia already had a 5th gen fighter, the mig-39 and s-32.., but after the collapse of ussr they couldnt field it cause it was too expensive.

Originally posted by feindflug
russia already had a 5th gen fighter, the mig-39 and s-32.., but after the collapse of ussr they couldnt field it cause it was too expensive.

Actually,at that time,we were very worried about our own country.

I remember that day clearly,even I will get old.News of collapse of USSR from radio shocked everybody in China.We couldn't believe it.

What will we do?The pattern of USSR guide Chinese development during several decades years.And then,where will we go?

I feel lucky that 6.4(Tianamen Square)was happened before the collapse of USSR.

Originally posted by American Mad Man
The way I see it, we have the same top 2 threats - terrorism and China.
[edit on 17-6-2004 by American Mad Man]

I don't think China would be much of a problem in terms of military conflict. Trade with the US is growing rapidly and I don't think anyone would want to mess up their trade links with the worlds biggest economy and Russia supplies most of China's weaponry anyway so, I think they'd be able to hold off China. China won't be starting anything soon, all the stuff about Taiwan most probably won't eventuate to anything.

[edit on 18-6-2004 by D]

Originally posted by feindflug

Originally posted by gastric cancer

It is equal to tornado with more bomb and large flight radius.
Shape means nothing.

this is an outdated airframe, cant you chinese make something on your own? everything is a damn copy
j-10=Lavi/f16
FC-1=Mig-33 single engined canceled project
JH7A=jaguar copy
J-7/8=mig-21 copy
J-8B =su-15 copy
T-98=t-72 copy with new turret

etc etc...

and its still inferior to the stuff it was copied from

[edit on 16-6-2004 by feindflug]

Silly guy,I pity you.
If you can only distinguish something from their outline, you will have some trouble in choosing girl friend.

T-98=t-72 copy with new turret?Because there is a "V" in tank's body like T-72?Wake up ~~~~~

We helped Israel to make Merkava,as an exchange,we got the plueprint of Lavi!
Did Mercava looks like Chinese Tank?No,but actually it has Chinese blood.

T-85 and T88C=t-72 copy with new turret,T-98 has no relationship with any other tanks.
T-88C

This whole discussion of what's native technology and what's not is largely irrelevant, countries like the US have for years exploited foreign technology to improve their aircraft and technology, from the HAVE Doughnut project, which they flew a MiG-21 at Groom Lake in the late 60's to help train US pilots heading to Vietnam now to find its weaknesses, a program that's had many offspring, they bought Moldovan MiG-29's too, where do you think the US got helmet cued sights from, it was a logical improvement and the Russians had it first. To assume China or Russian aircraft have a superficial resemblance to US aircraft is technological and social ignorance when more often than not its the other way around now. Back in the 1950's the most advanced fighter in the world was not American or Russian, i was Canadian, a project that was cancelled for good or bad, many of those engineers went to the US, to Lockheed and the space program and were integral in putting a man on the moon. I think national pride can be a good thing, but have a little perspective, something very difficult at times in a forum where many disparate groups talk with and sometimes at each other promoting their own agenda. China is becoming one of the most powerful countries in the world, its not all rice paddies there like it used to be. When people in the US for years jeered Russian fighters like the MiG or the Sukhoi as being F-18 or F-15 clones they do the Russian aerodynamicists a severe injustice, and it smacks of hyprocricy, if a copy is so inferior, why are we trying to buy that technology to improve our own. We bought missiles both air to air and surface to air, and now we have improved Sidewinders and improved Patriots, is it so hard to swallow that the US does not have a technological monopoly? We're good at some things, but not all, other nations have technological niches that we've exploited to gain an advantage back, what we do, they would if they could, through buying from Russians as the Chinese and Indians have had, or through espionage. This is my first post here, and i hope to be more a part of this place, its nothing if not interesting by the broad differences in views and opinions

[edit on 17-6-2004 by MPJay]

what the Russian and Chinese planes are missing are the advanced computational power of the US. Instead of throwing all this money into dozens of new aircraft with the processign power of a Geme Boy these countries rreally need to invest in electronics development. Modern fighters operate more on information fusion and situational awareness than just the raw abilities of their planes. this was demonstrated in Arghanistan and in Iraq to good effect.

Russian you say that russia's 5th generation fighters will be mass produced in 2010. But i doubt that russia has the money to mass produce anything mabey 20 but i doubt they will make more than that. Also by that time all the F-22's will be already in active service, and you think the US government isnt already working or mabey has a prototype of space fighters. So by the time your 5th generation fighter is produced we will already have 6th generation.

[edit on 17-6-2004 by WestPoint23]

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Russian you say that russia's 5th generation fighters will be mass produced in 2010 but i doubt that russia dosent have the money to mass produce anything mabey 20 but i doubt they will make more than that also by that time all the F-22's will be already in active service and you think the US government isnt already working or mabey has a prototype of space fighters now so by the time your 5th generation fighter is produced we will already have 6th generation.

Please use interpunction

There are mant guys from un-English countries.

[edit on 17-6-2004 by gastric cancer]

Originally posted by gastric cancer

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Russian you say that russia's 5th generation fighters will be mass produced in 2010 but i doubt that russia dosent have the money to mass produce anything mabey 20 but i doubt they will make more than that also by that time all the F-22's will be already in active service and you think the US government isnt already working or mabey has a prototype of space fighters now so by the time your 5th generation fighter is produced we will already have 6th generation.

Please use interpunction

There are mant guys from un-English countries.

[edit on 17-6-2004 by gastric cancer]

Please use correct grammer!



America loves everyone!

Good for you guys. Congratulations! It must feel nice and patriotic to know that your country is rapidly evolving into one of the world's elite super-powers. However, take note that along with great power comes the great responsibility to use it wisely.

You are also wise to realize that the great US industrial weapons complex will NEVER stop researching, developing and producing some of the world's deadliest weapons platforms ever known to mankind. Is this a good thing? Probabaly not. A necessary thing? Sadly enough, in today's global environment, it probably is to ensure our safety and sovereignty.

Please bear in mind, as your military complex evolves and develops, that it was the US that allied with China throughout the '90s that gave you the engineering, software and computer hardware necessary to achieve these great military triumphs. The US introduced China to modern rocket propulsion systems, guidance systems, GPS satellite technology, computer processing technology etc... Without the US as an ally many of your accomplishments would not have been possible in such a short period of time. With this in mind, I am hopeful that your country never has the notion to attempt to utilize this technology against us.

For the most part we are a peaceable nation that aspires for freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness by ALL who inhabit the earth. Again, congratulations and feel proud of what your country has done to protect it's people. Now if we could just find a way for our governments to invest half as much time, money and energy developing peace, then perhaps such weapons systems will become obsolete.

PEACE!

To gastric cancer:
I agree with you,partly.
By the way,I am a Chinese too.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Russian you say that russia's 5th generation fighters will be mass produced in 2010. But i doubt that russia has the money to mass produce anything mabey 20 but i doubt they will make more than that. Also by that time all the F-22's will be already in active service, and you think the US government isnt already working or mabey has a prototype of space fighters. So by the time your 5th generation fighter is produced we will already have 6th generation.

[edit on 17-6-2004 by WestPoint23]

i guess because that russia has no money at all by the end of 2005 all its fighters will be upgraded to 4++ generation right?, russia also has "space fighters" and hypersonic aircraft like the ayaks, gll and many more and will already in 2010 a hypersonic strike vehicle will enter service.

Originally posted by gastric cancer
Korea War-a fogotten war

Death Capative Wounded missing

China 135,600 21,000 380,000 8,000

ALLY 415,000 12,500 425,000 459,000

U.S 61,000 8,000 103,000 8,100

Fee for the war
U.S:$20 billion CHN:2 billion

Yes you got these numbers from a Chinese website. Lets look at some fact based real history.

This is the US Army's tally and note we count our dead and wounded instead of making up some random number that pleases the socialist masses.

Total Casualtiesb 109,958
Total Deathsc 27,704
Killed in Action 19,334
Wounded in Action 79,526
Died 1,930
Other 77,596
Missing in Action 4,442
Died 3,778
Returned 664
Current Missing 0
Captured or Interned 6,656
Died 2,662
Returned 3,973
Refused Repatriation 21

Thats our numbers now lets look at yours shall we?
Link

There were also an estimated 900,000 Chinese casualties.

From a Korean Web Page and cross referenced by several others:
Link

Now I cant adress your cost figures but no doubt its that extra 18 billion we spent on the Korean War that kept our losses at only 56,000 deaths compared to your estimated 900,000. Mabye that number is too high but Id be suprised to see your government offer an exact tally.

The facts are that the Americans lost less because they spent more, and would have lost even less if it wasnt for an unprovoked Chinese invasion.

The Chinese death/wounded is checked in our Chinese web site.

But ALLY and U.S death/wounded are checked from the latest reports made by Korea and U.S.I suggest you to check them again.

From U.K's report,about over 30,000 American soldiers were captive by Chinese army,and over 10,000 of them were dead in Chinese camp beacuse of lacking drugs and foods.

I can't find this information from Chinese report and U.S report.

Originally posted by gastric cancer

But ALLY and U.S death/wounded are checked from the latest reports made by Korea and U.S.I suggest you to check them again.

I can't find this information from Chinese report and U.S report.

So your saying to found this information in a US Report but that you cant find this information from a US report?

Your confusing me. The DOD lists 56,000 souls lost in Korea and I dont see a reason why they would lie. I do see a reason why the Chinese would lie to preserve their own warped view of nationalist history.

[edit on 19-6-2004 by Agent47]