The Dishonesty & Danger Inherent In The seeingUFOsPA Hoax

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Thanks, that was informative.

I must disagree with your analysis, however. At 1:20 you can see the first object approach a second headed in the other direction, which slows down before proceeding. If it was a satellite it wouldn't slow down.

The so-called mini suns

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I would like to call in an independent 3rd party to officially measure the speed of the object. Mostly because I'm lazy and very tired.

Good night

@ Sandwiches what makes you think Alien's are piloting these objects? I mean if that is you're belief? Are you open to the idea man made vehicles means "military vehicles" or MAN MADE VEHICLES? Why would aliens "morph" in to a plane coming and going from a local air port of all places? Why has Alison ignored the prospect of black projects and assumed it is all "alien" in origin?


thoughts?


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........Oh........BTW?


WE HAVE LASERS UP THE WAZOO! Oh yes we do!

What is a laser rangefinder device?

A laser rangefinder is a device which uses a laser beam to determine the distance to an object. The most common form of laser rangefinder operates on the time of flight principle by sending a laser pulse in a narrow beam towards the object and measuring the time taken by the pulse to be reflected off the target and returned to the sender. Due to the high speed of light, this technique is not appropriate for high precision sub-millimeter measurements, where triangulation and other techniques are often used.


Laser Rangefinder and Designator for Apache Helicopters
www.defencetalk.com...

You will also find LASER RANGEFINDERS on medevac helicopter as well. It flies over the scene near the casualty, it scans the terrain to build a three-dimensional map.


Successful Test Of USAF 747 Airborn Laser Weapon
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Just reading through some of this. Here is my brief thoughts regarding the topic. [The Dishonesty & Danger Inherent In The seeingUFOsPA Hoax]

Now assuming that the providers of the data have been analysed and moved to the hoax bin, these people and their information have been reviewed by specialists and analysts in the field. I only have 1 question left.

Why are they still trolling ATS? I was under the impression that 'well known' and proved hoaxers aren't allowed back, is the information being presented to us not good enough. Keep in mind my questions are purely innocent and i'm only asking in truth what others might be thinking while reading this thread.

There have been alot of off topic posts, mod removals and warnings on this thread already. I applaud the OP for starting the thread and providing the Information. As well as to any community member who has provided evidence and conclusive data to back up their summary.

As a community right now and a group of civilians all interested in Unidentified flying objects it is a must, an absolute must that we do our level best in providing the most accurate information with honesty and intergrity. When questioned by our community or special analysts, we shouldnt sway from questioning but be willing to provide answers to those questions. It's what any intelligent minded person would want to do to get to the bottom of the mystery. Isn't that what we all want?

So again, I'm asking the moderators and the more experienced staff and contributors at ATS, if these people are dishonest and are known hoaxers, why are we putting up with it?

I say let the Alison followers post for they only embarrass themselves further. Sammich is a classic example. He/she/it has been presented with evidence after evidence and all he does is shrug it off as unacceptable. Surely he has an agenda to try and peddle Alison Kruse to the unwitting public. Why else would he just ignore the evidence at hand. Look at all the debunking videos and tell me if anyone could accept Alison Kruse on face value.....I THINK NOT!

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What is troubling to me is seeing mainstream figures in UFOlogy (namely Jose Escamilia) latch on to the Kruse material as legitimate. If he had even bothered to digest at both sides of the debate on YouTube, he would surely be more hesitant in backing this case. The inherent lack of ability to observe a UFO case objectively by outsiders is the crux of the issue here.

I'm sorry but in my book Jose is a bigger Hoaxer than Alison Kruse. His Rods have been debunked on numerous fronts and just like Kruse he continues to ignore the evidence. This unholy alliance serves to prove one thing...the hoaxers are now desperate and now they are trying to re-invent themselves via consolidations. They unite in hopes to merge their profit making schemes. As we all know Jose is now suffering in the pocket and he needs a new venue of income. Along comes Alison and he latches on in order to open up said new venue. It all makes sense.

Originally posted by SeeingUFOzPA
I'm sorry but in my book Jose is a bigger Hoaxer than Alison Kruse.

Why apologize? I never said he was legitimate. I just said he was prominent. Jesus this thread is messier than the BP oil spill.

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what makes you think Alien's are piloting these objects? I mean if that is you're belief? Are you open to the idea man made vehicles means "military vehicles" or MAN MADE VEHICLES?

I joke about it, mostly. How am I supposed to know exactly what they are, who's behind it, whether or not there's a pilot, etc. without more information than night-vision videos? It's fun to speculate. Lighten up!

Why would aliens "morph" in to a plane

To avoid raising attention? I think it's entirely plausible. Whether it's happening or not I don't know.

Why has Alison ignored the prospect of black projects and assumed it is all "alien" in origin?

I don't know. If this is true, you'll have to ask her. Not everything is caught on camera and posted. Maybe she's seen more than you. You haven't been to PA, so how can you be sure? What's the problem with speculating about ETs? Are they a threat to the common man? What do you know that you aren't telling us?

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Do any of these crafts have lasers that work in perfect co-ordination with pulsing external light, as seen in Alison's video? I'd like to get to the bottom of this mystery rather than waste my time on propaganda.

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I say let the Alison followers post for they only embarrass themselves further. Sammich is a classic example. He/she/it has been presented with evidence after evidence and all he does is shrug it off as unacceptable. Surely he has an agenda to try and peddle Alison Kruse to the unwitting public. Why else would he just ignore the evidence at hand. Look at all the debunking videos and tell me if anyone could accept Alison Kruse on face value.....I THINK NOT!

Hey, buddy, I'm right here. Look me in the eye . When I get the chance to check out more of your life's work I'll let you know. I really don't understand WHY someone would go to such lengths as to create an account here and on YouTube to debunk and outright attack and slander a single individual. You're obsessed, man, and certainly not denying ignorance.

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What is troubling to me is seeing mainstream figures in UFOlogy (namely Jose Escamilia) latch on to the Kruse material as legitimate. If he had even bothered to digest at both sides of the debate on YouTube, he would surely be more hesitant in backing this case. The inherent lack of ability to observe a UFO case objectively by outsiders is the crux of the issue here.

There is no need for support, denial or even debate. Does anybody enjoy it? Why are we wasting our time? What we need is everybody coming to their own conclusion based on their own findings. Put it through a Google algorithm to decide what's true. Screw the so-called experts. Power corrupts. When will we realize that and think for ourselves? Why hate or be angry, worried or anxious when other people come to different conclusions than us? Can't we all co-exist?

Support the good, what you believe in. Ignore the bad, what you don't, and it will all work out!

So where are her other rabid defenders?

You're the only one to openly defender her despite overwhelming evidence being posted.

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Oh you mean EDUCATION CORRUPTS? Is that it there little sammich?

Yes, let's all throw out the scientists because SAMMICH thinks it's best!

When you "get to the bottom" of "your enigma" in "your own little head", then

make a video all about it!

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When will we realize that and think for ourselves?

And when will you realize that just because someone does not agree with you does not mean that they have been brainwashed by mufon and facts.

Originally posted by sandwiches

There is no need for support, denial or even debate.

I take it you joined ATS for the free pizza?

What we need is everybody coming to their own conclusion based on their own findings. Screw the so-called experts. Power corrupts.

I get what you are saying but we do need experts now and again. Who's going to fix BP's oil leak? Pauly Shore?

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So where are her other rabid defenders? You're the only one to openly defender her despite overwhelming evidence being posted.

Do you only believe in things if people rabidly defend them? Are you looking for a herd of popular opinion to follow, so you can feel like part of a group?

Just because you're overwhelmed doesn't mean it's the truth. Dare to play the devil's advocate to seek a greater understanding of both sides. Search ATS for "seeingUFOsPA" and look through each page of each thread. You will find there are more people who have questions and want a neutral discussion.

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You are going around soliciting Alison to other channels on YT, therefore, you are NOT objective!

I tell people to consider it because I'm curious and like receiving feedback. So what? I don't follow you around criticizing everything you do.

Why? Because your mind is already made up. If you were a critical thinker, you would have already applied yourself into some serious rebuttal video or in your "investigative research" would finally come up with the invariable "TRUTH'!

Why are you so pushy? I'll get to further investigation in my own time. Chill out. The truth will be discovered by all eventually. What are you so worried about??? Are you scared of ETs?

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And when will you realize that just because someone does not agree with you does not mean that they have been brainwashed by mufon and facts.

I never called anyone brainwashed. Perhaps I will observe their findings today.

# fact - a concept whose truth can be proved; "scientific hypotheses are not facts"

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Look, the buck stops here. I am talking to someone who hasn't even

finished High School. I am not getting paid to teach you anything!

The keyword was: "OBJECTIVE" of which you are NOT because you solicit

Alison all over You Tube.

Because you are lazy and don't feel like doing any research, is basically

your problem, not mine!

Do the RESEARCH and make a video.

"Mommy? Mommy? Why is the sky blue?"