The Dishonesty & Danger Inherent In The seeingUFOsPA Hoax

Originally posted by sandwiches
reply to post by zaiger

Have you been following the thread? Can you explain how the laser-beam coming from the helicopter would only show up when the craft lights brighten up? When there is a flicker in the craft lights, there's a flicker in the laser. Wouldn't the laser work independently?

She knows she is filming regular aircraft what makes you think that she is not just adjusting the exposure to get a pulsing effect

Here is a fake morphing plane for you.

reply to post by sandwiches

my issue with the laser is that it brightens up ONLY when the orb-like craft brightens up.

Oy...so simple. Whenever the camera setting changes (because it's very likely in an 'auto' exposure setting...jus tlike you see the auto-focus occur) the brightness of the aircraft AND the 'beam' it is emitting will fluctuate at the same time!

Also, there are no tail-lights or anything else one might expect from an Apache.

Assuming it IS an Apache, and not some other chopper. The Nav lights are perfectly obvious, except sometimes they are washed out/blended to gether by the exposure settings, and zoom blurring.

Did you see the way it came down, in a wavy pattern?

Nope. IF you're talking about he very fast moving streaks in the video you posted on page #13? Those are meteors, and they are not 'coming down' to the ground! They are obviously entering the Earth's atmosphere hundreds of miles up. They don't make a "wavy" pattern.

It is easy for a 'true believer' to see illusions, though...when they desperately wish to.

reply to post by zaiger

what makes you think that she is not just adjusting the exposure to get a pulsing effect

I'm glad you asked and weedwhacker makes the same suggestion. It's a good argument, but sadly I don't believe there is anybody on the entire planet who could manually adjust the exposure so steadily like that. Typical manual adjustment involves a sliding scale that steadily increases or steadily decreases. It doesn't jump around suddenly SUPER bright then back down in a small fraction of a second.

Further, when the orbs light up into bright "mini suns", multiple witnesses who were actually there report seeing them with the naked eye.

reply to post by weedwhacker

Nope. IF you're talking about he very fast moving streaks in the video you posted on page #13? Those are meteors, and they are not 'coming down' to the ground! They are obviously entering the Earth's atmosphere hundreds of miles up. They don't make a "wavy" pattern.

Yes, I'm talking about the video in the second post on page 13. At the very beginning of the video the incoming object makes a wavy pattern as it falls to the ground.

It is easy for a 'true believer' to see illusions, though...when they desperately wish to.

The only thing I believe is further investigation is required. Not everyone is exactly like you with the exact same thoughts and experiences. Bear with me or move along - it's completely voluntary. I would appreciate if you could remain respectful.

reply to post by sandwiches


Cameras have this thing called "AUTO"...settings for both focus, and exposure variables. (Anyone who does NOT own a videocamera, by now??)

Here...example of yet another person filming an airplane, except here it's not with IR:



Same effects, out of focus, exposure changes, etc.

Originally posted by sandwiches
At the very beginning of the video the incoming object makes a wavy pattern as it falls to the ground.

Oh...you mean the METEOR that happens to flash by overhead...(NOT 'falling to the ground'). Immediately after her silly frames of inserted text? ( "They look like our aircraft" (!!!) Oh, that one is rich!!! )

The "wavy pattern"??? Seriously? She is shaking the camera!!!




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Thats true, weewhacker. If you look at the movement of the camera as the camera replays the meteor fall in slow-mo, you can see that the camera shakes considerably. How anyone could not take that into consideration is beyond me.

reply to post by weedwhacker

The "wavy pattern"??? Seriously? She is shaking the camera!!

You can clearly see the trees don't move nearly as much as the UFO.

But we don't have to agree.

reply to post by sandwiches

Yes, I'm talking about the video in the second post on page 13. At the very beginning of the video the incoming object makes a wavy pattern as it falls to the ground.

You mean how she shakes the camera? That shooting star never hits the ground. Do you not notice the ammounts of cuts in the video?
the "mini-sun" as you call it is a plane flying striaght towars the camera then going up and turning. You can clearly see that it is a conventional aircraft after the 6min mark.

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reply to post by zaiger

Well, no harm in continuing to ask questions. Perhaps we should run it through a stabilizer just to be sure.

reply to post by sandwiches


You keep trying, but fail to understand...

You can clearly see the trees don't move nearly as much as the UFO.

POINT your video camera a light source, and then 'shake' it a little while filming. TRY it with your own, do the experiment yourself.

The LIGHT will....I don't know the technical term...but it will 'bloom' in the pixels. (THAT might be the term..)

The CCD chip, that's how they work.

Google it.

reply to post by sandwiches


You think a stabalizer will magically change something?

reply to post by zaiger

A stabilizer will prove whether the object moves in waves or not, settling this petty argument (that is your goal, right?) It's not hocus pocus. No rabbit or top hat required.

reply to post by weedwhacker

A bloom effect is not the same as an object appearing to move up and down in a sine-like wave, but ok. Show me some examples.

Originally posted by sandwiches
reply to post by zaiger

A stabilizer will prove whether the object moves in waves or not, settling this petty argument (that is your goal, right?) It's not hocus pocus. No rabbit or top hat required.

Okay, so how is it that once the film is stabalized the object will still move around like that? Your comment acknoledges that the camera does infact move around thus making the lights in the frame move with it.

reply to post by zaiger

Okay, so how is it that once the film is stabalized the object will still move around like that? Your comment acknoledges that the camera does infact move around thus making the lights in the frame move with it.

Maybe it will, maybe it won't. That's the whole point of the experiment.
Sadly I'm not an expert with VirtualDub deshaker so I don't think I can do it. That guy at YouTube /stabilizedufovideos probably could, though. I'll put a request in with him.

reply to post by sandwiches


Sandwhich, in your defense I should point out that you're taking all this quite well. By now, most Kruse supporters would've slandered us relentlessly, called us all disinformation agents, or just carried on till banned-dom. You're not afraid to ask questions, and I respect that. As delusional as I may be at times, I like to think ATS is a place anyone on any side of the fence can feel safe to ask questions. Whether we agree or not, keep asking them. Knowledge is power.

Does anyone remember the name of the video she made, where she filmed the light snowfall with the NV and claimed it was orbs flying around the woods? She claimed there was no breeze in her area by giving weather readings from a station 10 miles from her home, but later readings from a location just a couple miles away showed different....and she quickly deleted those posts.




Ha! Found it! Shw was calling them "invisible orbs".

www.youtube.com...


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Originally posted by zaiger
reply to post by NightVision

 

Yes he started talking right after he got 2 warnings and he knew if he got another one he would have been banned.

I think I'm gunna add like 5 of those little warn symbols to my avatar just to show how much of a bad ass I am.

Originally posted by sandwiches
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

So will you tell me what station you called to verify Dan Page is a constable?

If you got the wrong one I can suggest another for ya.

I provided the station and address pages back. I suggest you go back again and actually review some more. Here it is AGAIN

Murrysville Police Department
4120 Sardis Road, Murrysville, PA 15668
[email protected]

Zaiger has stolen my footage without permission on youtube and made his own video out of it. This needs to stop here, this guy is stalking me! Seriously has taken this to an unhealthy level and im calling my attorney. Copyright infringement and stalking/harrassing. I don't care about your little charts and modified clips of my video. Leave me alone!!! I'm so sick of this guy. This is a bunch of crap. I'm putting my footage on aliensthetruth.com from now on. I'm closing my account here. Let's see who zaiger next victim is on here, he is mental

LOL karrie she was a dandy one. Thats the same chick that was climaxing while planes were flying over head while her baby was screaming unattended too. I gave her heck for poor parenting. Then that radio guy made a joke of it and she went banannas haha i remember her. She was trolling our channels as "shadoe" too making empty threats of legalities and the usual (you are a CIA disinfo op) then she closed her account. Well i have to say good job that is one less hoaxer we have to worry about. I made a video dedicated to her too.
www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by gavron
Does anyone remember the name of the video she made, where she filmed the light snowfall with the NV and claimed it was orbs flying around the woods? She claimed there was no breeze in her area by giving weather readings from a station 10 miles from her home, but later readings from a location just a couple miles away showed different....and she quickly deleted those posts.

Ha! Found it! She was calling them "invisible orbs".

www.youtube.com...

Here is Z debunking that too





[edit on 8-6-2010 by Unknown Soldier]