The Dishonesty & Danger Inherent In The seeingUFOsPA Hoax

Originally posted by sandwiches
Nobody. Nobody obsesses like this over some random person on the internet.

If that is the case, then what is your interest? If passion about a case and time-spent discussing or investigating it are hallmarks of a disinformation agent, then shouldn't you be under suspicion as well? Are you a disinformation agent?

(Note to Mods: This is not designed as a personal attack on Sandwiches, rather to illustrate the illogic of his claim about another member)

reply to post by SeeingUFOzPA

We need to rise and challenge her hoaxer material no matter where she posts it. We can not allow her to further erode the very foundation of Ufology. She has done enough damage.

You can't think of anything better to spend your time on? Why don't you go challenge pedophiles or something? She's not a danger to anyone unless she's telling the truth. Do the right thing. Contact WikiLeaks ASAP. Let's evolve.

She is like a virus that is festering in an open wound. He cult grows and infects others who are weak minded. We are like the penicillin shot that boosts the immune system and infuses it with knowledge but not just any old form of knowledge...IT IS THE TRUTH.
And we all know what happens in the end....THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.

She can attest to this ...He world is crumbling all around her. The SeeingUFOsPA channel is in shambles. The MoreSeeingUfosPa channel is abandoned and no one is even commenting on her latest videos anymore. The woman is EXPOSED and I can finally start to believe that we can win this.....Ufology is finally on the road to recovery and I thank God for this.

Originally posted by sandwiches
Be part of the problem or be part of the solution. Even if it's all true, what good are you doing by attacking and compounding her problems? Do you feel superior? Do you get a rush bullying others?

Disagreement, even vehement disagreement, is not attacking or bullying someone. Accusing them of being a disinformation agent, however is...

Originally posted by sandwiches
Perhaps you are in fact obsessed with the external world, ignorant of your own problems... Sorry to hear that, man... Spill. I'm listening.

You are skirting the line here, again attempting to derail the thread to be about personal disagreements instead of the facts.

Originally posted by sandwiches
I believe in striving to assist others and I am willing to take their observations and consider them fairly.

You may say that, but your actions tell otherwise. Thus far in this thread, you have summarily dismissed evidence without reviewing it and accused those you do not agree with of being bullies, obsessed, stalkers and disinformation agents. You are not considering anything fairly.

Originally posted by sandwiches
reply to post by SeeingUFOzPA

Be part of the problem or be part of the solution. Even if it's all true, what good are you doing by attacking and compounding her problems? Do you feel superior? Do you get a rush bullying others? Perhaps you are in fact obsessed with the external world, ignorant of your own problems... Sorry to hear that, man... Spill. I'm listening.

I believe in striving to assist others and I am willing to take their observations and consider them fairly.

It is the only way to survive. Think about it. The choice is yours.

IN Z's defense i have never seen him BULLY or ATTACK miss Kruse. In fact he left his channel open for ALL to comment in even trolls. Unlike alison who censors her channel anything that conflicts with her delusions and makes harassing phone calls and flags videos that challenge her footage. Oh yes miss Kruse misss queen of the "shadoe" troll group. She has downed several youtube channels with AUTHENTIC UFO footage that challenged her deception. She is no victim on any level. She brought embarrassment on to herself with this sham. Like Z said it is OUR responsibility as not just youtube users but as human being to see truth is not tarnished with hoaxers. For the sake of the future of UFOligy, i have been set back months of my own personal query in to UFO research time to see her hoax does not infect UFOligy any more. And it was all worth it, still doing my civic duty on my part.


[edit on 10-6-2010 by Unknown Soldier]

THis thread was started with an awesome concept....but a select individual has permeated these hallowed walls and has tried to lead us astray. I am here to guide you back to Th light.
Just like in the movie Poltergeist....

ALL ARE WELCOME...ALL ARE WELCOME....COME TO THE LIGHT MY CHILDREN,...COME TO THE LIGHT!

In the end I will be the only one standing strong and saying.....


THIS HOUSE IS CLEAN

House = UFOLOGY

Originally posted by sandwiches
You can't think of anything better to spend your time on? Why don't you go challenge pedophiles or something? She's not a danger to anyone unless she's telling the truth. Do the right thing. Contact WikiLeaks ASAP. Let's evolve.

DO NOT edit Staff actions.

[edit on June 10th 2010 by greeneyedleo]

Is everyone ignoring all the MOD NOTES to stay on topic and stop discussing other members?

Any more off topic post directed at other members - you will be post banned.

Knock it off NOW.

This whole incident with Alison Kruse reminds me of the movie Highlander.

She is disrespecting HOLLOWED GROUND! (Ufology)

Will it be the Hoaxer ways or the true way.


Sean Connery gave his life in the movie to protect the true path. I feel like I am that character. I know I shall fall but I will fall knowing that someone else will pick up that task and carry it to fruition.


THE CAN ONLY BE ONE! and it will not be the hoaxer ways of Alison.

Originally posted by sandwiches
You can't think of anything better to spend your time on?

Don't you have anything better to spend your time on?

Originally posted by sandwiches
She's not a danger to anyone unless she's telling the truth. Do the right thing. Contact WikiLeaks ASAP. Let's evolve.

Getting back on point:
I find it odd that Alison Kruse only invites pre-teens to her home to witness and vouch for her glorious visions. Why on earth is her house not full of scientists?

The mere absence of any scientific profession speaks volumes for the content of her videos. She keeps promising that they are on coming soon but she said this back in December. WHERE ARE THEY?

Originally posted by SeeingUFOzPA
THis thread was started with an awesome concept....but a select individual has permeated these hallowed walls and has tried to lead us astray.

I disagree with your assessment. The resulting thread has been an excellent demonstration of Maybe...Maybe Not's case. Most everyone here has done an excellent job exposing the danger and dishonesty inherent in Ms. Alison's claims.

Just when I thought she had finally got some scientists over at her house she shocks the world when her scientific investigators turn out to be stoner adolescents with limited vocabularies that consist of WOW...WOW...WOW..WOW and hold on...more WOW.

Yeah she is doing a great job getting the scientists there.(rolling my eyes) I honestly believe that next week we shall see her showing her stuff to a class of pre kindergarten kids and asking them if they see orbies or blinkies...LOL

In the end, if anything else, this thread has proved one thing and one thing only:

ALISON KRUSE IS A HOAXER....AND SHE DANGEROUS!

ALL scientists have abandoned her sham, NUFORC will not even give her a second look after MUFON closed the case. After the email i sent to Jose Escamilla i think he may give a second thought approving Alisons Hoax. There ARE legitimate cases out there still all though UFO activity seems to have slowed down in the mainstream. But where there is money to be made there wisl be be a sponsor behind the hoax like Jamie Maussan and Escamilla.

Here is an example of another UFO hoax channel similar to Alison's


www.youtube.com...

There are a TON of UFO hoaxers out there.

This nutter thinks every conspiracy is REAL

Also is a Kruse follower

A good example of the insanity of a kruse cult member

....I am actively opposed to the demonic and satanic forces controlling the earth and its leaders through the secret societies known as the ILLUMINATI, Skull and Bones, Lucis Trust,Rosicrucians etc and FREEMASONRY especially, the Illuminati going back to Atlantean times and probably before, who were practising occultists and brought their own destruction about. They run everything now, from the food we eat, to controlling the weather, to the population culling by the introduction of diseases [AIDS etc] and making wars via false governments, and by controlling things through things like the WHO, NATO, UN etc who are all illuminati fronts run via the "old boy" networks with the "you scratch my back, and ill scratch yours" syndrome.

My previous 2 a/cs, butlincat + butlincat1 were shut down by google on Jan. 7 + May 15 respectively this year, with no reason given,but probably because of the sensitive nature of the videos on the HOLLIE GREIG sexual abuse scandal of a Downs Syndrome girl being abused by a paedophile ring in Scotland, whose members included a top policeman, nurses, social workers,Sheriffs and top lawyers, resulting in the power to sustain a cover-up thats lasted over 20 years.Please join one of the facebook groups who are trying to get justice for Hollie and the other 13 children abused by this paedophile ring, and any other child that becomes prey to their evil crimes. The cover-up on the Hollie Greig case is massive, with the mainstream media scared to go near it, but Richard D. Hall, of Richplanet.net
has done a show with Hollie, and Theo Chalmers of Edge Media TV too, their vids being in my playlists.Please google "Hollie Greig" and see what comes up.


The combined upload views on the 2 closed a/cs1500 vids was over 1,000000 views.Big deal, but thats a bit better than some of the stalkers and haters a/cs here, these cowards stalking and hating other users who do actually nothing except to upload videos the stalker cowards cant handle.
We have a list of these cowards, many of whom have multiple fake a/cs whereby they manipulate their bull# to suit their childish selves. I would willingly put these cowards names here but of course they would cry and complain and my a/c would be shut if i did that, but we know who these weirdos are.


WOW tl;dr

[edit on 10-6-2010 by Unknown Soldier]

WOW!
I DID AN ALEXA HIT COUNT OF THIS THREAD AND IT IS QUITE POPULAR!

THANK YOU ATS FOR GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT ABOUT ALISON AND HER HOAXER WAYS!

THIS WAS A HUGE SUCCESS!

Originally posted by SeeingUFOzPA

THE CAN ONLY BE ONE! and it will not be the hoaxer ways of Alison.

I don't want to sound negative but hoaxers will always be present. While we have stupid, pathetic drop-outs whose only means of leaving a mark in life is to take the low road (hoaxing), things will never change. While so many nutters think that falsifying evidence is actually the way to prove that UFO's exist, UFOlogy will always be smirked at and frowned upon.

The hoaxer community is like hydra's head. Chop one off and many grow back. If only these people would go away, the task of proving the reality of the UFO phenomena would be much easier. We wouldn't have to wade through so much crap to find that kernel of truth which leads me to believe that with idiots like Kruse, it really isn't about the phenomena at all. It's completely about them.

It's simply 'look at me' attention seeking behavior from pathetic, sad people.

Once upon a time, the only people that were hurt by hoaxers were the hoaxers. Then the serious wing of UFOlogy evolved and was hurt by being tarred with the same brush as the nutters. Now with sociopaths like Kruse, the general public are also in harms way. It won't be long until a plane is taken down and hundreds killed by this fruitcake or one of her clan.

These morons and those that blindly support them make me sick to my stomach.

IRM

[edit on 10/6/10 by InfaRedMan]

reply to post by InfaRedMan


InfaRedMan.....

You state the truth.....

Kruse & her supporters are dangerous.

Kruse & her supporters are dishonest.....they know EXACTLY what they are doing & why they are doing it.

As I stated in my opening post:

"It is not possible for an intelligent, rational person to keep supporting Kruse.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by SeeingUFOzPA
WOW!
I DID AN ALEXA HIT COUNT OF THIS THREAD AND IT IS QUITE POPULAR!
THANK YOU ATS FOR GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT ABOUT ALISON AND HER HOAXER WAYS!
THIS WAS A HUGE SUCCESS!

SeeingUFOzPA.....

I was hoping this thread would illustrat the dishonest & dangerous nature of Kruse's hoaxing.....

.....& it does seem to be doing that!

I will post some more information during the forthcoming days.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not