The Dishonesty & Danger Inherent In The seeingUFOsPA Hoax

reply to post by Unknown Soldier

Please view the 2nd post at the top of Page 14. This is where Alison herself recommended you phone to find Dan. His YouTube channel is /pageperformance

Originally posted by sandwiches
I know very little about Mufon and therefore they don't hold much if any authority over my decision-making.

MUFON has been around since the 1960's probably before you were born. They are a Professional UFO research network . It is one of the oldest and largest UFO-investigative organizations in the United States. Alison claims she knows more than MUFON in her year of filming planes. The voice of truth and reason... real research is MUFON. Yes you know very little about UFOligy it proceeds you. You seem yo know very little about air planes common sense.

Originally posted by sandwiches
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

Please view the 2nd post at the top of Page 14. This is where Alison herself recommended you phone to find Dan. His YouTube channel is /pageperformance

I DID! Like i said pages ago i called and spoke with the Officer on duty months ago and he said there was not a Dan on the force in Murraysville or PA township. You are not paying attention.


Feel Free to ask more questions sandwich



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reply to post by Unknown Soldier
You said:

Murrysville Police Department

Alison said:

Butler County Elections Bureau

Just trying to help you get the truth, mate.

Thanks for volunteering all that info, but I wouldn't go around slandering people you don't know. It adds nothing to the conversation and just makes you look bad. Friendly tip.

[edit on 2010-6-8 by sandwiches]

Butler County Elections Bureau

Just trying to help you get the truth, mate.


Thanks for volunteering all that info, but I wouldn't go around slandering people you don't know. It adds nothing to the conversation and just makes you look bad. Friendly tip.

Are you Australian?

She named two cops if i am correct? Neither exist, where is this outspoken cop? A figment of alison's imagination. Who am i slandering? Yes asking Alison questions and telling her it is a plane is slander and deserves immediate block from her channel and comments deleted.




To make wild accusations like morphing planes and CIA operatives makes you look bad. And to support one that hoaxes and has been proven a fraud also makes you look bad if not worse. Food for thought.



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reply to post by sandwiches


First Alison recommended the Cranberry Township Records, then she recommended the Penn Township registry, then she recommended the Murraysville Police Dept., and now for our latest offering, we get the Butler County Elections Bureau...


...anyone see a pattern here?

Sandwich, I can refer you to any number of threads for validation if you like...

reply to post by NightVision

Thanks, I'll do some searching and remain vigilant in denying ignorance. This was a debunker concern, not really my own... but perhaps I have finally been given something I can work with.

I still find myself concerned with some of the footage, but I've given it my best shot here and don't expect to find the answers I seek.

1) Apparent "wavy" approach of dive-bombing "fireball UFO" and then light-up and take-off.
2) "Meteor-like" actions, coming down and flying around, sometimes even laterally at high speed: example
3) Laser beam working in perfect co-ordination with external craft lights.
4) Probably more stuff from the videos I haven't yet watched.

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Originally posted by sandwiches
2) "Meteor-like" actions, coming down and flying around, sometimes even laterally at high speed: example

We call those UFOs "Birds" and "Bats" here in Arizona. They tend to fly between trees and things at night. How selfish of them to do it right when she is filming her "orbs"

Seriously, are you saying you have never seen a bird or bat using night vision goggles?

Originally posted by sandwiches
reply to post by NightVision

Thanks, I'll do some searching and remain vigilant in denying ignorance. This was a debunker concern, not really my own... but perhaps I have finally been given something I can work with.

I still find myself concerned with some of the footage, but I've given it my best shot here and don't expect to find the answers I seek.

1) Apparent "wavy" approach of dive-bombing "fireball UFO" and then light-up and take-off.
2) "Meteor-like" actions, coming down and flying around, sometimes even laterally at high speed: example
3) Laser beam working in perfect co-ordination with external craft lights.
4) Probably more stuff from the videos I haven't yet watched.

[edit on 2010-6-8 by sandwiches]

All have which been debunked


Also this is what Alison says on her own channel , she mentions Pine Bush, the orionifo guy phil the guy i mentioned pages back who was debunked. This is where this crap started and alison got the idea to hoax and follow suit. Another quack that lives next to an Air Port. She claims her area is a stargate according to a local engineer.

In my Favorites is ONE FILMED NEARBY IN NORTH IRWIN, PA BY energeeeresearch, who found the area underneath this "stargate" is MY AREA. Helped me to understand how so many UFOs are around here. GO TO :59 mark to see it shrink down then spit out several objects. Did this several times a week all summer. Dark earlier now, he can't find it amongst the real stars... But others are now noticing the "stars" in the sky aren't 'right' and/or move... Dr. Ellen Crystall (author of "Silent Invasion), then Dr. Bruce Cornet (he was on TV's "UFOs over ILLINOIS") , have been trying to show the world for a LONG TIME this SAME phenomenon that was first noticed in Pine Bush, NY...

Need i say more? People aren't leaving comment on her channel any more. Last one was over a week ago. people have awakened to this long drawn out bogus sham. Her support has diminished drastically. Now she is supporting Linda Howe lol

Birds of a feather





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reply to post by Unknown Soldier


Unknown Soldier…..

Sanwiches keeps posting hearsay and i am at a loss for words regarding sandwiches approach to the Alison Hoax. Sanwiches unrational and delusional thinking is a perfect example of a seeinngORBsPA member.

This is all part of the ”dishonesty” angle of the thread, so I’m not at ”a loss for words” at all regarding sandwich.

I know who he is & why it benefits him to dishonestly perpetuate Kruse’s hoax. I plan to discuss all that in this thread.

I found out where Alison works in murraysville after someone tipped me off. I do not know if it is permited to discuss here but it is not hard to find.

As per my earlier post, I am also collating background info on Kruse & her supporters. I will continue to do this upon my return.

I have some info on some of her supporters as well and had a video on it and of course they flagged it and was taken down.

Is that video available anywhere else?

I also have some back story on Alison and she has been a UFO guru for a long time BEFORE the supposed orb invasion of murraysville. She has probably planned this hoax years in the making.

If you can share that background info with me (U2U if you prefer), I can add that to my file.

Not only delusional and warped , but also a Compulsive liar.

Yes…..as per the ”dishonesty” angle of my thread.

Behold the orb Queen.

I though other members might like to see this (publicly available) picture of Kruse.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ec5f969442a2.jpg[/atsimg]

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

@maybe maybe not. I have some old emails in my youtubes where she goes on how she was a Alex Collier follower for years. She said she is also a big coast to coast fan for a long time. All though i like Alex message and seems harmless... or maybe not "alex is not even his real name it is ralph" i do not believe him for several reasons. Again part of a new age religion before this all transpired. Alison decided she wanted to be a part of the fantasy. She wanted to be Alex , She wants to be Linda Howe after seeing the seminars. This is the snow ball effect that has infected UFOligy like a puss filled wound. A thorn in the side of truth and disclosure. I will U2U the emails i hope it was not the channels she had suspended. The videos were downed by members phanarab, kingufokid , VIK akak eastcoastskywatchers and karrie who seems to have vanished. I could re up them but i will have to make a new account for they wil flag them and lurk my channels constantly. They were posing as a group called "shadoe" trolling to make a long story short they disbanded but a few still flase flag videos. and Feel free to U2U me what you know maybe maybe not

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Originally posted by sandwiches
reply to post by Unknown Soldier
Are we in the same thread? All I say is continue objectively investigating. What's so bad about that? If you're right, you will be proven right in the end, so relax.
WTF you are finding out where she works - are you a psychopath?? It's the internet. Get over it.
Which station did you call?

Sandwich…..

All I say is continue objectively investigating.

The ”object investigating” has been completed unequivocally, proving that Kruse is knowingly filming aircraft.

What's so bad about that?

Please review the subject & inherent objective of my thread.

Kruse’s hoaxing is dishonest & dangerous.

If you're right, you will be proven right in the end

We have already been ”proven right in the end” regarding the fact that Kruse is a dangerous & dishonest hoaxer

so relax.

We will not ”relax” the investigation into Kruse & her supporters.

WTF you are finding out where she works - are you a psychopath?? It's the internet.

There is a huge amount of publicly available background information pertaining to Kruse & her supporters, including but not limited to:

- Financial history

- Legal history

- Address history

- Employment history

- Social history

- Communications history

- Internet history

Regards
Maybe…maybe not

reply to post by zaiger

Okay, so how is it that once the film is stabalized the object will still move around like that?

See for yourself. The video has been stabilized.

That video you posted by sandwich shows a plane passing over and a meteorite burning up in the horizon. You do not see it diving in to the woods you only see it until it is no longer visible due to the tree tops on the hill. With IR cams you can see lights not as well seen by the naked eye. That video has been debunked.

Maybe maybe not check you're U2U

Originally posted by SeeingUFOzPA
My latest video demonstrates how far Alison Kruse will go to mislead the public into believing her. Watch as her and the rest of the Scooby Doo clan make wild assumptions as to what is happening. I came along and bumped up the brightness and BAM!!!!!...The truth came out.

The woman gets busted at every turn and people like Sammiches just dismiss the evidence. I guess it is true when they say that people of limited intellect seem to levitate around each other.

www.youtube.com...

If some one can properly post my video Id appreciate it...the workings of this message board elude me and when I try I fail,....LOL

SeeingUFOzPA.....

Here you go....



Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by Unknown Soldier

That video you posted by sandwich shows a plane passing over and a meteorite burning up in the horizon.

What if I look more closely and find several meteor-like objects. That would be strange, wouldn't it?

Someone's got to play the devil's advocate to keep you guys on your toes.

Originally posted by sandwiches
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

That video you posted by sandwich shows a plane passing over and a meteorite burning up in the horizon.

What if I look more closely and find several meteor-like objects. That would be strange, wouldn't it?

Someone's got to play the devil's advocate to keep you guys on your toes.

A meteor shower is not uncommon. If you set a camera out all night you are bound to catch some meteorites in the footage as well as PLANES. This is all to easy sandwich but i am enjoying this none the less

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reply to post by Unknown Soldier

Well you've really done nothing to support your claims so I'm confused about what you think you've proven. You can't just say "this has been debunked". At least show me some wavy meteors or link to the actual discussion.

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reply to post by sandwiches


Sandwich.....

You post as if you continue to misunderstand the topic of this thread.

The topic of this thread is:

"The Dishonesty & Danger Inherent In The SeeUFOsPA Hoax"

It has already been determined unequivocally that Kruse is a hoaxer.

This thread is not a place for you to state that Kruse is not a hoaxer.

This thread is a place to investigate the strong dishonesty & danger aspects of Kruse's hoaxing.

So, in the interest of discussing the topic of this thread.....

What is your view regarding the dishonesty & danger associated with Kruse's hoaxing?

Regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

I have seen no foul in the large majority of the videos I have seen so far. Also, my focus at this time is primarily on the footage itself, not the individuals claims. I suppose my efforts fall under the title "dishonesty" when we start considering exposure times, etc.

Nobody likes to have their beliefs tested, but I can only assume that is what you expected by posting this to ATS.

Originally posted by sandwiches
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not
I have seen no foul in the large majority of the videos I have seen so far. Also, my focus at this time is primarily on the footage itself, not the individuals claims. I suppose my efforts fall under the title "dishonesty" when we start considering exposure times, etc.
Nobody likes to have their beliefs tested, but I can only assume that is what you expected by posting this to ATS.

Sandwich…..

I have seen no foul in the large majority of the videos I have seen so far.

Notwithstanding my puzzlement regarding your reason for raising this issue…..

I confirm Kruse uses ”foul” language in her videos.

Also, my focus at this time is primarily on the footage itself

Please revert to my previous commentary.

That is not the topic of this thread.

…..not the individuals claims. I suppose my efforts fall under the title "dishonesty"

Your ”efforts fall under the title ‘dishonesty’ “.

That is because you purport to support Kruse’s hoaxing in the interest of “searching for the truth” (my words, not yours).

In fact, you support Kruse for other reasons…..that is the ”dishonesty” aspect as pertains to you.

The ”danger” aspect is inherent in Kruse continuing her hoaxing as supported by people including you.

when we start considering exposure times, etc.

Please revert to my previous commentary.

That is not the topic of this thread.

Nobody likes to have their beliefs tested, but I can only assume that is what you expected by posting this to ATS.

I will state again:

This thread is not about anyone’s ”belief” that Kruse is a hoaxer. That has been proven unequivocally. This thread is about the ”dishonesty” & ”danger” associated with Kruse’s hoax.

Regards
Maybe…maybe not