Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


I believe you are underestimating Israel Proto.

Israel will always have the unconditional backing of the US.

The US will almost always have the backing of the British.

Therefore the CIA, SIS(MI6) and Mossad working hand in hand against all common enemies. Combined, these form the most powerfull and influencial intelligence community in the world.

I have to respect how insightfull your posts are on this matter though and it is always enlightening to read them even if I disagree on an aspect or two.






[edit on 1-6-2010 by Skellon]

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by D.E.M.

 

This is what happens when you attack innocent people. Israel is soon going to regret their actions.

What if it was Iran's president who said these words?
I bet the already thought about it, just as a whole bunch of us were thinking the same exact thing.
Israel should disappear as a country. I don't mean killing off its population.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

You might be on to something, but I think it may be reversed. Meaning Israel could be leading Turkey into a mess.

US operations in Iraq are ending and drawdown has already begun.

Also what was Rahm Emanuel really doing in Israel?

There could easily be more than meets the eye here on both sides, with each trying to outgame the other.

We should have an idea within a week where this is headed.

We aren't leaving Iraq anytime this century, that government wouldn't last 3 months without us propping it up.

The War in Afghanistan is never going to be over either.

The Turks are better served by provoking the confrontation now than Israel is, so no, chances are Tel Aviv is just now catching on to this thanks to me.

Turkey is not going to come off looking like the agressor either, most of the world will actually be cheering it on.

The Zionists have done a bang up job squandering all the Goodwill from World War II.

Yes they have a lot of talking heads and media mouth pieces and no shortage of misguided and hoodwinked and intimidated Jews to try to twist events but honestly there tactics are so deplorable and childish they turn more people against them than they entice into supporting them.

So no I don't see how it is to Israel's advantage to go to War in the very near future with Turkey with Israel cast as the beligerent over its latest military blunder.

Now would be the best time for Turkey to draw Israel into a conflict if it can cast Israel as the beligerent, and no spin in the world is going to really overcome this latest debacle for the Israelis.

The writing has been on the wall for them since the failed invasion of Lebanon that they need to back off and repair relationships.

They just keep playing the same old anti-semite and terrorists cards.

Eventually Israel will fall to Operation New World Order (The Holy Bible) has that as a key part of the One World Government installation.

The Zionists are in on it, at the upper most levels, and the average Zionist and Zionist supporter is to arrogant to ever believe it could happen.

Turkey might very well have Rome's and the United States blessing in fact.

Iran as an antagonist just isn't working out well at all propaganda wise.

Could be Turkey that will start the Shooting part of World War III.

We have a huge disaster going on in the Gulf of Mexico, the world economy is one bad day away from collapse, and it's entirely possible we are headed into the end game.

The end game is not kind to Israel Mr. Boyd.

Israel will not survive or win it, because it's Zionists leaders have no intention of Israel surviving or winning it, that's not what is in the plan.

reply to post by Cito

But honestly the flotilla is damn lucky it wasn't the U.S. holding the blockade. Because if it had been U.S. ships holding the blockade the entire flotilla would be sitting on the bottom of that ocean already.

Put this in the context of the town that resides next to your own. I am assuming your from the U.S. so you would know what I'm referring to. Now those people have a corrupt sort of government and do not believe that your town should exist.

Not all of the people in that town agree with that but their leaders believe wholeheartedly that your town shouldn't be there. So they start crap with you now and then. Some of your townspeople are suffering because of this so you demand something be done.

Now your town has the backing of other towns that believe that God has put you people there and give you all sorts of weaponry and funds to further your cause. You have so much power actually that your government decides it's in your best interest to shut down that opposing town.

So your military is used to enforce a blockade that results in a lot of suffering and starvation and being cold for them townspeople. That ought to teach them, right? No, I don't believe the American people would do that,


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What if it was Iran's president who said these words? I bet the already thought about it, just as a whole bunch of us were thinking the same exact thing. Israel should disappear as a country. I don't mean killing off its population.

No haika, Israel should not disapear as a country. I believe we all know what you mean. It's the zionist mentality of it all. It's a very dangerous political ideology that we have been tricked into supporting for far too long. We know what you mean.

Originally posted by Skellon
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

I believe you are underestimating Israel Proto.

Israel will always have the unconditional backing of the US.

The US will almost always have the backing of the British.

Therefore the CIA, SIS(MI6) and Mossad working hand in hand against all common enemies. Combined, these form the most powerfull and influencial intelligence community in the world.

[edit on 1-6-2010 by Skellon]

Maybe then the last weeks posturing, including not allowing Noam Chomsky to enter, was to imply that the Israel border is now closed. One could think that the Palestinians are now hostages.

Now I remember reading this a few weeks ago -

dover.idf.il...

The IDF prepares to defend itself against psychological warfare
04 May 2010 , 14:32

IDF officers will study how to respond to psychological methods used
by the enemy to affect soldiers’ spirit and morale

Yarden Winter, Bamahane

The IDF will learn how to respond to psychological warfare in the
battle field. The Theory and Instruction Brigade of the Operations
Directorate recently added new chapters to the IDF Battle Doctrine,
which refer to a type of battle that does not include live munitions
but is becoming more and more significant in modern warfare, and uses
propaganda and psychological methods to influence combat soldiers’
spirit and their morale.

The IDF Battle Doctrine is studied in certain courses, among them
those of the Institute for Command and Staff and the Institute for
Tactical Command. “The field of psychological warfare has developed
dramatically, and commanders must know important principles and
concepts regarding the issue; that is why we talk, in the appropriate
measures, about the use of psychological warfare against our enemies,
and also about how to deal with this type of warfare,” explains the
Battle Doctrine Department of the Operations Directorate.

The chapter on theory is currently in the process of being written and
is scheduled to be approved before the end of 2010. Among other
things, the new Battle Doctrine will include concepts of psychological
warfare, including that of “white messages” which come from a
trustworthy source, as opposed to “black messages” whose distributor
is unknown. The new chapter also offers ways of dealing with hostile
activities making use of psychological tools. One of the
recommendations for the commanders is to hold motivational
conversations with their soldiers, so that their battle spirit cannot
be negatively affected. “The commanders need to learn techniques. Our
goal is that during the planning of any operational activity, the
officers will be aware of the issue and will prepare their soldiers
also for dealing with the enemy’s psychological battle tactics,” an
officer added.

The field of psychological warfare has developed a lot throughout the
last few years due to various factors including the development of the
media in Israel and worldwide. Terror organizations increasingly
photograph and film attacks on IDF forces and publish them on
television stations. For example, at the beginning of April 2010,
Hamas published documentation of an incident in Kissufim, during which
Maj. Eliraz Peretz and Staff Sergeant Ilan Sviatkovsky were killed.

Today, the IDF operates what is known as the Center for Consciousness
Operations, a unit under the Intelligence Directorate which, among
other activities, publishes announcements to the Palestinian public.
During Operation Cast Lead, 500 short clips and announcements were
sent to Palestinian media stations, and 300,000 text messages and
telephone calls were received by Gazan civilians, in order to warn
them against entering buildings housing terror operatives and
weaponry.

An update:
U.N. condemns deaths in Gaza ships raid
www.msnbc.msn.com...

JERUSALEM - The United Nations Security Council on Thursday condemned acts which resulted in the loss of civilian lives on ships carrying pro-Palestinian campaigners and aid to Gaza, and called for an impartial investigation into Israel's deadly raid.

In a statement, the Security Council also called for the immediate release of 400 international activists and the six ships being held by Israel.

I fully expect Israel to quickly release the acivists and the ships.

The Security Council's statement stopped short of condemning Israel, a move sought by once-close Muslim ally Turkey, which has accused Israel of "terrorism" in international waters.

I also expected this.

Like I said earlier, Turkey had no case.

I think it is possible though that Israel will end the blockade. We should have an idea if they will in the near future.

reply to post by tecumsah


An interesting contribution tecumsah, I appreciated reading that.

For the record, I have no problem with people having an opinion.

It is people who do NOT have an opinion, but choose to just repeat indoctrine that scare me. And yes you are dangerous.

I was in the Navy and worked with Customs to seize boats. And have spent time with IDF personal. I am speaking from an opinion based on experience.

I was 100% Pro-Israel in my youth but my experiences changed that.

If you are a "critical thinker" and a "skeptic", your opinion should change as you gain experience in life. A "denier" on the other hand has a static opinion on a given subject.

Deniers are the enemy of all who deny ignorance.

Guess what people, OTHER BOATS HAVE SAILED half an hour ago and will try to break the Israeli blockade once more.

IMO they will try and try again until either they are escorted by warships or break the blockade peacefully.

reply to post by Vitchilo


Can you provide a link please?

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


We'll still be propping Iraq up, but they have a larger military than Israel now and will be able to handle about anything, except Kurdish secession.

Yeah, Afghanistan isn't over and the conflict there could end up spreading.

I have a feeling when the time comes, when Israel is no longer needed, we will let the entire Middle East collapse into a nuclear conflagration. Turkey, Iran, Egypt, Saudia Arabia, and all the others. There will be no winners there.

What is Egypt's involvement and reaction to the massacre? Aren't they also supporting the blockade?

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Guess what people, OTHER BOATS HAVE SAILED half an hour ago and will try to break the Israeli blockade once more.

IMO they will try and try again until either they are escorted by warships or break the blockade peacefully.

Thanks for the update Vitchilo!

Unfortunatley I see this repeating itself, both 'sides' will view this as yet another opportunity to play each other. Only wish that lives were not lost and injuries inflicted in this 'game'.

Originally posted by AllIsOne
What is Egypt's involvement and reaction to the massacre? Aren't they also supporting the blockade?

Egypt was supporting the blockade, but in light of recent events that could change. If it does, which is likely, I expect Israel to end the blockade.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Hey Proto,

When the UN fails to act, do you think Turkey will invoke Article V?

If they do it would force NATO to either act or break.

If the US disregards its obligations, NATO is broken and new alliances will have to be formed.

reply to post by deccal


It's on Haaretz breaking news ticker
And also on my Middle-East News Update Thread

# 08:58
New boats headed to Gaza to challenge blockade (AP)

U.N. Condemns Israeli 'Acts'

www.foxnews.com...

Slowly I am getting sure that this conflict will end with a declaration of war from Turkey's side. It seems this is what Israel really wants.
Look at the facts:
-Around 450 people arestill in prison.
-Israeli minister Aharonovich says, they will punish all who resisted to their soldier.
-Israeli governement give no single information who are dead, who are injured, where they are etc.
Only these are enough war cause, I dont even mention the attack on international water etc.
It seems all this is planned before and somehow Israel wants war, I dont know why.

Originally posted by Skellon
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

I believe you are underestimating Israel Proto.

Israel will always have the unconditional backing of the US.

The US will almost always have the backing of the British.

Therefore the CIA, SIS(MI6) and Mossad working hand in hand against all common enemies. Combined, these form the most powerfull and influencial intelligence community in the world.

I have to respect how insightfull your posts are on this matter though and it is always enlightening to read them even if I disagree on an aspect or two.






[edit on 1-6-2010 by Skellon]

Actually no it won’t and no it hasn’t.

Anyone who takes the time to read the CIA Archives under the Freedom of Information Act would know that prior to 1952 and Operation Ajax Israel was considered the biggest threat to the prosperity of the United States because how it could change the Oil equation if Arabs chose to embargo nations that traded with Israel, or wars between Arab nations and Israel disrupted oil supplies.

It wasn’t until we secured Iranian oil that we began working with Israel as a corporate nation.

However the truth is we use Israel as a tool to keep the price of oil high and the military industrial complex rolling along and as a pretext for military aggression for oil and resources throughout the Middle East and the Muslim World.

Three things can jeopardize that alliance. One is we control all the resources in the Middle East and no longer need Israel as a pretext. Two all the resources in the Middle East are depleted and we no longer need Israel as a pretext. Three Rome tells us to nuke Israel.

Speaking of Israel, Judea has long been and continues to be a Roman province. Don’t believe me check out who really owns Jerusalem in perpetuity by contract? The Holy See does.

Coincidentally underestimating Rome and overestimating the Judeans has not really traditionally worked out well for the Judeans.

The Roman Bible (Operation New World Order) calls for Israel being turned into toast, and not Ezekiel Bread Toast either!

The Pharisees never had a covenant with God they have a Contract with Rome.

The Hapiri/Habiru elders have been wandering for 6,000 years to where ever fortune takes them. They could care even less about Israel than most of the Canadians, Australians, American and British Zionists who don’t want to live there either.

Israel’s invincibility like its independence itself is myths and typically short lived ones when they occur.

At this rate nothing is going to save Israel from its fate, unless a whole lot of people want to start thinking and acting outside of the box.

I will do my level best to try to save it, but...the harder it and its supporters make that, the less likely it will be that I or anyone else can.

Plus I have to save the rest of the world too, and I will be focusing on the places with the prettiest girls and the best food!



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