Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

reply to post by SoulofBlack


OMG ...There is photographic proof of food in Gaza ...

Case closed. No humanitarian help needed !

So let me get this straight...
A flotilla is in INTERNATIONAL WATERS, with supplies and AID that has been screened and APPROVED by Turkey prior to departure, with the intent to be delivered to STARVING people, is BOARDED by the IDF in waters OUTSIDE of their JURISDICTION, with Israel's justification being that the flotilla was in violation of an ILLEGAL blockade of the Gaza strip.

What a crock.

If I was on a boat in international waters, and IDF thugs boarded it with malicious intent, you are God damn right I would stand up to them.

P.S., please remember that this blockade that Israel is trying to enforce is ILLEGAL. Let the facts speak for themselves people, not propeganda bull#.

Originally posted by Compulsionist
reply to post by SoulofBlack

 

OMG ...There is photographic proof of food in Gaza ...

Case closed. No humanitarian help needed !

Yes and also see this video. I dont know how to embed videos. Start a new thread and embed this video.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by ElijahWan
If you were looking objectively you would have realized that Turkish officials checked the Flotilla before it left.

So what?

Insert the favorite country of your choice into this article. Why should they take the word of any other country that an ship aiding who they perceive to be there enemy is free-and-clear of any illicit cargo?

Perhaps because Israel and Turkey are on the best terms when it comes to other countries in the Middle East and Israel. Not to mention...it's all besides the point. They could have escorted them into a port in Gaza and searched them....No instead they raid the ship with armed Commandos....Smart....*facepalm*

Originally posted by SoulofBlack
Oh those poor Palestinians who are starving in Gaza, here is the proof (taken from paltoday so no bias unless they hate their own people):











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You should try skill up your TROLL skills because they are very weak OR you don't have a clue about logic.

You are posting a bunch of pictures and so what? That doesn't mean anything.

Even the last picture: pajamasmedia.com/ files /2008/09/610x.jpg clear state that date is from. 2008/09, you really want make a point about the TODAY situation using a picture almost 2 years old? Are you kidding.


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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by makeitso

 

Well I trust UN officials far more than anyone on the internet, but this one jumps out right away:

102. The declaration or establishment of a blockade is prohibited if:

(a) it has the sole purpose of starving the civilian population or denying it other objects essential for its survival; or

(b) the damage to the civilian population is, or may be expected to be, excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated from the blockade.

There is a shortage of food and fuel in Gaza. That would go against the "rules" of blockades

Thank you.
Thats what I was wondering about. The specific law being broken.

So, now that we know what specific law you think is being broken, what evidence is there that starving the civilian population or denying it other objects essential for its survival is the sole purpose of the blockade.

I'll just stick with law a) first then ask about b) later to help avoid confusion.

Thanks.

Who gave the command to board the ship(s) instead of disabling it?

Why?


Who stands to gain by instigating this heinous travesty

Anyone in Israel?

The US?



If Israel is "forced" into another war, who profits?


Could there be factions inside Israel who might have wanted this incident to turn so ugly?

Why?


If this aid 'Flotilla" was not condoned by the countries with representatives on board those ships, why was there no prior pbjection to their presence raise by the governments of the representatives?


Why was deadly force employed?

The Israeli government and military surely knew who was aboard those ships before the commandos struck. And we are all aware of the various non-lethal, and even non-contact, methods available to the world's militaries for crowd control.

Why weren't they employed?

There was plenty of time to prepare, the raiding forces admit to having trained for thisi eventuality.



Who is/are the Puppetmaster(s)?

Originally posted by ElijahWan
Dude...Seriously....How are they NOT defending themselves...Armed soldiers are assaulting their ship in INTERNATIONAL WATERS...

Watch the video. At the 40 second mark you can see someone being repeatedly beaten with pipes/poles. Now tell me, is that self-defense.

Whether or not the ship was in international waters, whether or not Israelis were right to board the ship, the "humanitarians" attacked first and were purposefully try to hurt or kill those soldiers. Yes, this could have been avoided if Israel did not board the ship. But it also could have been avoided if the "humanitarians" had not resorted to violence.

The calls by the IDF of self defense are nothing short of absurd and ridiculous. You can not hide behind claims of self defense when YOU are the aggressor.



That would be like going into someones home and waving a gun in their face, then claiming that I had to shoot them because they were trying to stop me.....from shooting them??? God forbid they want to live!!


Two plus two does not equal five here people. Let's use a bit of common sense.

The fact that a group of armed commandos who illegally boarded this ship are trying to justify shooting a dozen humanitarian aid workers in cold blood as "self defense" is disgusting.





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Originally posted by BlackOps719

That would be like going into someones home and waving a gun in their face, then claiming that I had to shoot them because they were trying to stop me.....from shooting them??? God forbid they want to live!!

Two plus two does not equal five here people. Let's use a bit of common sense.

The fact that a group of armed commandos who illegally boarded this ship are trying to justify shooting a dozen humnatarian aid workers in cold blood as "self defense" is disgusting.

Then by all means, start using it.

You claim the Israelis went on board to shoot the civilians. You have no way of knowing that. You further claim they did it in cold-blood, again you have no way of knowing that. The only facts we have are they the Israelis boarded the ship, were met with violent resistance and in the end, several people ended up dead. You further claim that Israelis boarded the ship waving guns in people's faces, while none of the video evidence shows that. All it shows are the commandos being attacked the moment they board the ship.

Don't accuse people of not using common sense when you yourself are neither using it or even bothering to look at the facts, only headlines.

reply to post by DoomsdayRex


I don't support any kind of violence, but they were on their right.

The IDF was invading a private property on a public way. I hate to say that, but the soldiers asked for it. They were wrong on doing what they did.

As i said before, the most "acceptable" thing that the Israeli government should've done was to escort the flotilla to the Gaza shores and inspect the ships to see if there was weapons in it. Then, if everything was allright, the humanitarians would be "free" to roam inside Gaza.

Simple, huh? Nobody would be killed in the process.

Originally posted by Bhadhidar
Who gave the command to board the ship(s) instead of disabling it?

Oh, they disabled it. In the live-feed you can clearly hear the captain over the loudspeaker tell the passengers to go below deck and that the ship has been compromised shortly after you hear a loud crack, then you hear a different voice over the PA system, in Hebrew, telling everyone to "shut up."

The Captain is reported to be suffering from severe wounds.

No Captain = disabled ship

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reply to post by Bhadhidar

Who is/are the Puppetmaster(s)?

The same ones who in this same manner destroyed Polish plane with all of Polish top officials.

reply to post by mr-lizard

So basically what you are saying is this:

The rights of humans go out of the window, if a country above the law decides to further allow more suffering on those who only wish to help others.

In your eyes, murder is justified because you let dictators and blood-thirsty generals decide what is wrong and right?

Strange world you occupy there.

So basically what you are saying is that your good at putting words into people mouth.

You want to paint me with a brush, go for it. But don't even try to think you know what I want to say.

Maybe people like you think your heroic because you are defending the people from Gaza and the aid workers. But where are you when there isn't an incident like this?

Where is the press? Where are the world governments that decry such acts?

Tell me, why didn't one of those countries who want this saga to end not use their military to end the blockade?

Why applaud and cheer on those aid workers while they sit back and do nothing?

Strange world indeed. And I am sure once this ordeal calms down, the world will forget about the situation till the next event.

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by ElijahWan
Dude...Seriously....How are they NOT defending themselves...Armed soldiers are assaulting their ship in INTERNATIONAL WATERS...

Watch the video. At the 40 second mark you can see someone being repeatedly beaten with pipes/poles. Now tell me, is that self-defense.

Whether or not the ship was in international waters, whether or not Israelis were right to board the ship, the "humanitarians" attacked first and were purposefully try to hurt or kill those soldiers. Yes, this could have been avoided if Israel did not board the ship. But it also could have been avoided if the "humanitarians" had not resorted to violence.

Tough luck.... what were you expecting? A welcoming party?

If you raid/board a ship in international waters, they had every right to self defence. You can't just board a ship and then cry that they hit you with sticks. Seriously... just stay off the bloody boat, and nobody will hit you.

It's like trying to rob a house, killing the occupants when they resist and then going to the police to say they hit you.

Originally posted by makeitso
Thats what I was wondering about. The specific law being broken.

So, now that we know what specific law you think is being broken, what evidence is there that starving the civilian population or denying it other objects essential for its survival is the sole purpose of the blockade..

But is that law actually being broken. There is a big difference between a total blockade of a state with a complete denial of aid and controlling what comes in and out of the state.

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Originally posted by Bhadhidar
Who gave the command to board the ship(s) instead of disabling it?

Disabling it could have resorted in even more lives lost and (I am assuming, I have no way of knowing) the Israelis could have thought taking physical control of the ship may have been safer.

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by BlackOps719

That would be like going into someones home and waving a gun in their face, then claiming that I had to shoot them because they were trying to stop me.....from shooting them??? God forbid they want to live!!

Two plus two does not equal five here people. Let's use a bit of common sense.

The fact that a group of armed commandos who illegally boarded this ship are trying to justify shooting a dozen humnatarian aid workers in cold blood as "self defense" is disgusting.

Then by all means, start using it.

You claim the Israelis went on board to shoot the civilians. You have no way of knowing that. You further claim they did it in cold-blood, again you have no way of knowing that. The only facts we have are they the Israelis boarded the ship, were met with violent resistance and in the end, several people ended up dead. You further claim that Israelis boarded the ship waving guns in people's faces, while none of the video evidence shows that. All it shows are the commandos being attacked the moment they board the ship.

Don't accuse people of not using common sense when you yourself are neither using it or even bothering to look at the facts, only headlines.

they had guns, not batons, not tazers, not sound cannons, not riot shields they had lethal guns, so yes they intended to shoot people.

And if you try and run a military blockade after you've been told repeatedly you'd be stopped, your an idiot. The people aboard this flotilla qualify for the darwin award.