Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by Dagar

 

They were baited onto that ship and no amount of lying and distortion of facts will change that. What happened was exactly what they wanted to happen.

Is that right? No. Both sides share guilt and blame. To say otherwise would be dishonest.

Japanese were baited to attack Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt knew the attack was imminent. It was his way to bring America to war. It will never be officially admitted.

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Really? Please do prove that every person on those ships was a Communist

I kinda figured this event would be getting 24/7 news coverage my the MSM but im only seeing token snippets at the top of the hour. Not much about this so must not be that big a deal.

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Originally posted by princeofpeace
I kinda figured this event would be getting 24/7 news coverage my the MSM but im only seeing token snippets at the top of the hour. Not much about this so must not be that big a deal.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by princeofpeace]

They don't dare take the "bait" because the "communist" controlled western media waits for the official "line" to be drawn

I just wonder. How the heck, a nation that suffered so much in WW II from nazi's, embraced their philosophy? Because, to me, what they did in the 5 turk ships and 1 greek, was not so democratic.
Maybe they just want us to scream that "once a job starts, it must end also".

Any protests around the globe except Turkey and Greece?
I wonder when the jihad will start.

s&f from me

Why are we feeding trolls, or worse members of the Zionist propaganda machine?

Don't get me wrong I love having an honest discussion, but debating an idiotic point can only bring you down to that level ... Me thinks.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
I kinda figured this event would be getting 24/7 news coverage my the MSM but im only seeing token snippets at the top of the hour. Not much about this so must not be that big a deal.

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Call me crazy if you must but i was on this thread as it broke and i went to sleep when it reached page 42, I have a feeling Israel is in all out damage control on this one, seems like it may be harder to spin than they thought.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
I kinda figured this event would be getting 24/7 news coverage my the MSM but im only seeing token snippets at the top of the hour. Not much about this so must not be that big a deal.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by princeofpeace]

That would be because so far all the news is going against Israel and the media can't really spin that, so the best thing is not to report much except little blurps and snippettes.

The truth is 9 people are dead today for no good reason, 9 people on a humanitarian aide mission to deliver food and medicine to the poor, hungry and sick.

Governments and people around the world are upset, and people around the world are protesting.

I am sure the friends, family and loved ones of those killed, as well as those who desperately could have used that aide, think its a very big deal indeed.

Has there been any confirmation of the names of those who died?

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It should be QUITE impossible if this indeed occurred in international waters as it has been reported. Not even a curve ball's amount of spin could put this in a better light for Israel. They are "screwed" unless something comes out or is planted by them to bring it into a better light for Israel.

Voice crying in the wilderness:

MJ Rosenberg. Senior Foreign Policy Fellow, Media Matters Action Network.

Israel's Kent State: After Flotilla Massacre, The Lobby Blames The Victims

UPDATE: Commentator Moshe Yaroni has it exactly right. This is Israel's Kent State. Also see Brad Burston in Ha'aretz.

The usual suspects are already rushing to offer the usual double talk to defend what Israel did. Here is typical claptrap from the Israel-is-always-100%-right American Jewish Committee. Also AIPAC and its media acolytes are out there to tell us that the Israelis are the victims, and if you don't think so, you are an anti-semite. Or a self-hating Jew/

But the massacre happened in international waters and the attack was launched by military commandos against civilians trying to relieve other civilians suffering under an illegal blockade.

There is only one spot in this country where the lobby will be able to sell the story that the humanitarian flotilla was the aggressor and that Israel is the victim here. That is the United States Congress.

By Wednesday, your favorite liberal Democrat (let alone Republican) will be mouthing the talking points AIPAC distributed this morning. Don't let them get away with it. Get to Schumer, Boxer, Van Hollen, Grayson, Weiner, Hoyer and the others before they embarrass themselves by defending the indefensible.

For America's sake, for the sake of the people of Gaza, and for the sake of the good Israelis who hearts are broken by the latest crime done in their name, we need to make Congress understand that America and justice -- and, yes, the survival of the State of Israel -- needs to come before the demands of AIPAC. Enough is enough.

I think is amazing people defending the action of Israel in this episode IF the boat was in international waters.


Lets see:
A bunch of commandos board your boat from a helicopter in international waters and the communications are being jammed by IDF. Those commandos are full geared and porting HEAVY weapon... Sorry. But anyone inside the ship would think they gonna kill them and try to get any weapon/knife/pipe they can get to defense themselves. It's just simple like that.

And don't forget GAZA territorial waters ARE NOT Israel waters.

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Originally posted by Dimitrios75
I just wonder. How the heck, a nation that suffered so much in WW II from nazi's, embraced their philosophy? Because, to me, what they did in the 5 turk ships and 1 greek, was not so democratic.
Maybe they just want us to scream that "once a job starts, it must end also".

Any protests around the globe except Turkey and Greece?
I wonder when the jihad will start.

s&f from me

I remember they offered Einstein to be president of Israel. He refused, saying that a nation which suffered so much will most likely become worst than its enemy.

He was so right!



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80% of the reason the world has such disdain and animosity towards the US is a direct result of our cottling and protecting Israel and their inhumane acts of aggression.


Israel is like an angry misguided child who lashes out and attacks blindly and without consequence, and America is seen as that irresponsive parent who is willing to turn a blind eye, like a parent who can never admit that little junior may be a psychopath in the making.


Im tired of watching my country defend these zionist heathens.There comes a time when you just have to cut little Billy loose and let him take his beating like a man.

I would love for just once to see our government finally say "enough is enough. Israel, you are on your own".

And to make war against the Turks has historically proven time and again to be a very bad idea. Unlike the Palestinians, the Turks are willing and quite capable of bringing hell down on Israel.

Any news on what happened to the people on the ships? Where are they now and what condition are they in? Did the IDF really seize those ships from International Waters and forced them to a Israeli port?

If so, knowing the Turks' pride, this won't end pretty. Trust me on this one!

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by AllIsOne

 

Don't misunderstand or misrepresent what I just posted and as you found, the video is all over the news channels.

The weapons show premeditation.

Were they right to do this? That's up to the individuals take on this. Were these innocent people trying to deliver aid? No. Will what these people did fix anything? No. Will it serve a noble purpose? No. Could it make things worse? Yes. Was it a wise move? No. Were the dead innocent victims? No, they knowingly took actions that lead to their own death.

These days, seeing isn't necessarily enough grounds for believing.


Not when a government, such as Israel, wants to skew and or hide the truth from world consideration.




And now, after several deep, calming breaths...



IN WHAT KIND OF SICK, TWISTED AND THOROUGHLY DEPRIAVED WORLD DO YOU LIVE WHERE YOUR DECISION TO GO TO THE AID OF A FELLOW HUMAN BEING IS A JUSTIFICATION FOR YOUR MURDER!?!?!?!!!!





The assult took place on the high seas, in International waters, as has been stated and re-stated, ad nauseum. This was an act of piracy, if not out-right WAR! (in that it was conducted by the national military of one nation against the asset(s) of another).


The civilians aboard those ships, forewarned or not, had every right to defend themselve with any and everything at their disposal, up to and including the use of deadly force, to repel an act of open piracy by armed assailants.



Those are the FACTS.


You may spin them until whatever God you worship opens a freaking lemonade stand in HELL, but you and those like you, CANNOT CHANGE THEM!

Originally posted by princeofpeace
I kinda figured this event would be getting 24/7 news coverage my the MSM but im only seeing token snippets at the top of the hour. Not much about this so must not be that big a deal.

Yah but it is getting a whole heap of BS 'experts' with opinions on it here... I gave up reading a few pages back... the info was being diluted by cranial urination.

Shame...

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Thank you for your thoughtful contribution to this thread

Originally posted by Bhadhidar

The assult took place on the high seas, in International waters, as has been stated and re-stated, ad nauseum. This was an act of piracy, if not out-right WAR!

Those are the FACTS.

International Humanitarian Law - Treaties & Documents

San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994

SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT

Neutral merchant vessels

67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;
(c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces;
(d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system;
(e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or
(f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.

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SECTION II : METHODS OF WARFARE

Blockade

93. A blockade shall be declared and notified to all belligerents and neutral States.

94. The declaration shall specify the commencement, duration, location, and extent of the blockade and the period within which vessels of neutral States may leave the blockaded coastline.

95. A blockade must be effective. The question whether a blockade is effective is a question of fact.

96. The force maintaining the blockade may be stationed at a distance determined by military requirements.

97. A blockade may be enforced and maintained by a combination of legitimate methods and means of warfare provided this combination does not result in acts inconsistent with the rules set out in this document.

98. Merchant vessels believed on reasonable grounds to be breaching a blockade may be captured. Merchant vessels which, after prior warning, clearly resist capture may be attacked.

99. A blockade must not bar access to the ports and coasts of neutral States.

100. A blockade must be applied impartially to the vessels of all States.

101. The cessation, temporary lifting, re-establishment, extension or other alteration of a blockade must be declared and notified as in paragraphs 93 and 94.

102. The declaration or establishment of a blockade is prohibited if:

(a) it has the sole purpose of starving the civilian population or denying it other objects essential for its survival; or

(b) the damage to the civilian population is, or may be expected to be, excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated from the blockade.

103. If the civilian population of the blockaded territory is inadequately provided with food and other objects essential for its survival, the blockading party must provide for free passage of such foodstuffs and other essential supplies, subject to:

(a) the right to prescribe the technical arrangements, including search, under which such passage is permitted; and

(b) the condition that the distribution of such supplies shall be made under the local supervision of a Protecting Power or a humanitarian organization which offers guarantees of impartiality, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross.

104. The blockading belligerent shall allow the passage of medical supplies for the civilian population or for the wounded and sick members of armed forces, subject to the right to prescribe technical arrangements, including search, under which such passage is permitted.

Israel was granted exclusive control over external access to Gaza from the sea by the Oslo Accords

completed on 20 August 1993; the Accords were subsequently officially signed at a public ceremony in Washington, DC on 13 September 1993, in the presence of PLO chairman Yasser Arafat, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and US President Bill Clinton. The documents themselves were signed by Mahmoud Abbas for the PLO, foreign Minister Shimon Peres for Israel, Secretary of State Warren Christopher for the United States and foreign minister Andrei Kozyrev for Russia

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Originally posted by ElijahWan

Can you please show where how these humanitarians are "a collection of communist-extremists?"

Do it like me - I actually ran the passengers list through Google (some of us really do research background stuff instead of taking what the media says at face value).

Something tells me most will not examine the passengers lists because they have already made up their mind that Israel is 100% at fault.

These are the ones who have their mind made up about Israel no matter what event occurs.

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