Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by soleprobe

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by soleprobe

seems to be getting obvious that those aboard were well prepared to resist... and it seems that when resisted the Israelis used lethal force...

Well prepared to resist would include ship to ship missiles, heavy caliber machine guns, shoulder fired rockets, magnetic sea mines, and sophisticated electronic jamming equipment.

Well prepared to resist as civilians... If they would have been well prepared to resist with the equipment you mention above, it would not have been a humanitarian ship but a war ship and those on board would not have been civilians but military personnel. It would have been a military provocation not a civilian provocation via an aid mission.

But in my view Israel was in the wrong because it had no jurisdiction over that vessel. .

Good greif man, do you know many civilians looking to take on Naval Powers via the guise of an aide ship with no suibtable weapons for even putting up a fight let alone winning?

Do you have any idea how rediculous your statements sound, civilian provocation?

How do civilians provocate a military naval assault against them 70 miles out in international waters with pocket knives and crow bars?

This is ATS not romper room, do you need directions to Sesame Street?

They were not there to "take on naval powers via the guise of an aide ship" but they were prepared to resist as civilians on board a sovereign vessel. And I don't consider this a "provocation" but the Israelis do. And as I said... the Israelis were in the wrong just as a SWAT team illegally enters a private home of those who are prepared to resist with what they have.

And the ridicule regarding Sesame Street is really not needed… We simply view this differently

reply to post by demonseed


There were 3 Palestinians, 2 women, 1 elderly man.

reply to post by nenothtu


Darn those peace loving communists!

How dare they attempt to claim these protests are spontaneous.

We all know the Draw Mohamed Day cartoons were spontaneous despite 6 weeks of face book pages and mainstream media coverage leading up to the 'popular' backlash.

Yet clearly dreaded communists organizing protests within 24 hours is not spontaneous.

Hey as long as there is a label to slap on someone or something, why bother with details.

There was a brazilian on one of those ships. Her name is Iara Lee and she is a film maker.

Here is her Facebook page: www.facebook.com...

Is this the profile of someone dangerous, that's is going to take arms and kill someone? I really doubt it.

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by CanadianDream420

 

You forget that the passenger manifest is public knowledge. The passengers included European MPs and a Holocaust survivor. Do you REALLY think they would be with Muslim terrorists?

You don't think its possible to sneak people on-board during the night when most are sleeping? The fact that only the Turkish ship had problems says allot. How do you know this wasn't planned by some Turkish government radicals to split the bond that Israel and Turkey had?

They picked one ship to perform this publicity stunt and make Israel look bad. Guess what? People who are against these lies by the Arabs mostly have been for a very long time and always will be. The difference is the Arabs are crazy enough to die just to make Israel look bad.

WE CALL THEM TERRORIST.

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Agreed, I think the ATS crowd saw almost everything before any of the MSM even knew there was a story.
But it still feels like this will be spinned to make the IDF look like the victims.
The only shining point I can see is the rest of the world knows what happened.

reply to post by soleprobe


These people were trying to deliver food and medicine to straving men, women and children suffering a years long cruel and illegal blockade.

The purposed of the flotilla was to deliver that aide.

I don't think anyone could honestly say that had Israel simply stood aside and allowed that aide to be delivered that anyone involved would have lost their life or been injured.

You are trying to make it seem like the whole point of the flotilla was purely political and while yes it is making a political statement, the point of the flotilla was to deliver much needed humanitarian assistance.

To try to paint them as being 'primarily' about something else, for purely political reasons of one's own, is in fact trying to paint them as being 'primarily' about something else, for purely political reasons of your own.

It was an attempt to deliver desperately needed humanitarian aide and supplies.

PERIOD.

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The People of Gaza cannot win a war by using weapons, and neither can Israel.

But, whoever wins the propaganda war will gain the support of all people irrespective of race, colour, religion or politics.

From the information presented in this thread, it appears to me, that the Palestinians have won a great propoganda coup.

Could the aid have been transported by road / rail - maybe but there was @ 15000 tons.

Could the ship have accepted an escort into Israel to off load and tranfere aid by other means - maybe - but nothing to be gained politically.

Did the ship expect to be boarded - yes - knowing Israels pro- military reaction

Did the ship's crew expect casualities - I expect so - a small sacrifice (IMO) to gain a hugh propoganda coup.

As the Hamas spokesperson said - it is a win win situation.

When you don't have the military might, you have to be more subtle and force you enemy to make a mistake.

As i have said previously, I hope something positive comes from this and the people of Gaza will get the aid they so much deserve.

One World - One People

Originally posted by Sky watcher

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by CanadianDream420

 

The difference is the Arabs are crazy enough to die just to make Israel look bad.

WE CALL THEM TERRORIST.

First of all, Turks are not Arab. Actually they have not a good relationship to each other.
Second of all, as i noted before, statements like "crazy arab" or "crazy muslim" is a very cynical way of thinking. (Read Edward Said on that issue)
Third of all, this thread is not a place to spread orientalistic, biased, semi racist beliefs, but to discuss the facts and non facts, to share information and contemplate the next steps.

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And those sneaky Arabs went along with a HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR?

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by soleprobe

 

You are trying to make it seem like the whole point of the flotilla was purely political and while yes it is making a political statement...

To me this is not political... this is similar to the tyranny experienced on a daily basis here in Canada and the United States... The Israelis think they own the high seas just as the thug cops here think they can break down your door and kill your 7-year-old daughter if her grand mother resist....

The aid to the Palestinians or the political intent of those on board is not the issue... any vessel in international water is sovereign... and therefore the Israelis are dead wrong.


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Originally posted by Sky watcher
reply to post by illusive man

 

You wont be thinking its a fairytale when your hanging out with Saddam within two years my friend.

to me all the biblical crap is fairytales and people who seem to justify their actions with them need to get their heads sorted,

so preach on

Gaza flotilla participants created war atmosphere before confronting Israel
Participants chanted Islamic battle cry invoking killing of Jews and called for Martyrdom

by Itamar Marcus and Nan Jacques Zilberdik

On the day before the Gaza flotilla confronted the Israeli navy, Al-Jazeera TV documented the pre-battle atmosphere created by men on board the flotilla, who chanted a well-known Islamic battle cry invoking the killing and defeat of Jews in battle:

"[Remember] Khaibar, Khaibar, oh Jews! The army of Muhammad will return!"

Khaibar is the name of the last Jewish village defeated by Muhammad's army in 628. Many Jews were killed in that battle, which marked the end of Jewish presence in Arabia. There are Muslims who see that as a precursor to future wars against Jews. At gatherings and rallies of extremists, this chant is often heard as a threat to Jews to expect to be defeated and killed again by Muslims.

Al-Jazeera also interviewed a woman who said that the flotilla participants' goal was "one of two happy endings: either Martyrdom or reaching Gaza."

www.palwatch.org...

with video

from this video i see the Isreali's being attacked...



am i mistaken?

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
These people were trying to deliver food and medicine to straving men, women and children suffering a years long cruel and illegal blockade.

As posted previously with factual backup both Israel and other countries provide more than enough medical and nutritional aid to Palestine.

The purposed of the flotilla was to deliver that aide.

As previously pointed out the purpose of that aide was a leftist-extremist agenda meant to put Israels sovereignty into question.

PERIOD.

No.

Originally posted by soleprobe

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by soleprobe

 

You are trying to make it seem like the whole point of the flotilla was purely political and while yes it is making a political statement...

To me this is not political... this is similar to the tyranny experienced on a daily basis here in Canada and the United States... The Israelis think they own the high seas just as the thug cops here think they can break down your door and kill your 7-year-old daughter if her grand mother resist....

The aid to the Palestinians or the political intent of those on board is not the issue... any vessel in international water is sovereign... and therefore the Israelis are dead wrong.


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Well it appears I may have misjudged your earlier posts now that you have put your position into those very clear and simple terms.

Yes Israel's actions were an act of piracy on the high seas, no ifs ands or buts about it.

Sorry but so many people try to twist these things to suit a political agenda, sometimes its hard to discern just what agenda a person does have or hasn't until they come out and boil it down in the simplest form.

If you believe Israel was wrong to take these actions, then in fact we are in agreement.

Thanks.

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Can you please look at this list and point out the Muslim terrorists?
www.freegaza.org...

reply to post by Yissachar1

This is sooooo NOT Jewish..... I am MAD

Wow mate, I'm impressed! What do you think should happen now?
Imo, this was a really stupid move on Israel's part. From what I've read, the destination port isn't deep enough for the ships to have actually docked, so the cargo would have had to be unloaded into smaller boats to be transported to shore. The Israelis could have simply escorted the convoy in & inspected the cargo as it was transferred. In this way they would have totally assumed the moral high ground. It really begs the question as to just how sane the Israeli govt is.

put Israels sovereignty into question.

Last I checked, the ship was attacked in international waters and it wasn't heading for Israel. It was heading for Gaza.