Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

Has Isreal made any statements regarding intent upon entering the ship?

They shouldn't have borded the ship with weapons if they didn't want to get attacked.

Originally posted by D.E.M.

Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

news.yahoo.com

HAIFA, Israel – Two TV networks are reporting that Israeli warships have attacked the six ships carrying pro-Palestinian activists and aid for blockaded Gaza, killing at least two and wounding an unknown number of people on board.

The Israeli military refused to comment on the report.

(visit the link for the full news article)

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Well I might as well play devil's advocate here: the Israeli government did respond; however, and they are taking the stance that the "activists" are actually part of a radical Islamist group from Turkey.

The soldiers opened fire after they were threatened and attacked (violently) with "

knives, metal clubs, [and] even live fire".

They do have (in their minds atleast) the right to check each ship going into Gaza, and that's what they were doing - apparently the people on board the flotilla weren't all that cooperative.

Nevertheless, this is just what they wanted, if this opens up the opportunity to attack Iran, they will take it.

USA will likely back Israel and a meaningless war will break out.

hurray!..

deadly Israeli raid on aid fleet




[edit on 31-5-2010 by makinho21]

It really begs the question as to just how sane the Israeli govt is.

This is the most worrying aspect. These are the same mad dogs with their finger on the trigger of hundreds of nuclear warheads pointed in all directions.

God help us all if the mad dog is cornered.




[edit on 31-5-2010 by bigyin]

Hedy Epstein's website. Hedy was one of the evil terrorists aboard the ships. This vicious 86 year old Holocaust survivor (nearly her entire family was killed at Auschwitz) just had to be stopped by any means necessary!
www.hedyepstein.com...

reply to post by lucid eyes

As posted previously with factual backup both Israel and other countries provide more than enough medical and nutritional aid to Palestine.

What is in fact factual is you are not the Palestinian Authority, Hamas, or a Palestinian living in Gaza and the reality is that the Palestinians living in Gaza would disagree with you.

So what then makes your 'backup' factual, which obscene repugnant spin doctors who don't live in Gaza and aren't suffering the blockade deemed these to be facts?

Why when you aren't personally involved in the situation in Gaza and aren't a subject to the blockade would you proffer these as facts?

Sounds like wholesale propoganda and ignorance to me.

As previously pointed out the purpose of that aide was a leftist-extremist agenda meant to put Israels sovereignty into question.

How self important and absorbed can a person be?

Left and right are passages.

Since when did feeding the starving become an extremist issue?

How about it's about the starving people in Gaza and not the Zionist idealouges, or Israel.

The purpose of the aide was to feed the hungry and bring medicine to the sick.

Gaza is the most densely populated places on earth, with one of the lowest per capita annual incomes on the planet, under a tightly controlled military blockade to prevent if from trading for vital supplies.

How in the heck could there not be people there who would benefit from this aide.

In fact almost every city and town in the world would benefit from such aide.

Do you actually believe anyone believes your 'previously' stated 'facts' which read more like pure delusion?

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Darn those peace loving communists!

I've had occaision to deal with a number of Communists, but have never met a "peace loving Communist", so I'm not really sure what you're on about. All I did was translate the page and report on the contents as requested.

How dare they attempt to claim these protests are spontaneous.

Believe as you will. I don't see spontaneous protests as standing in need of organization. Sort of disallows the use of 'spontaneous' in my opinion.

We all know the Draw Mohamed Day cartoons were spontaneous despite 6 weeks of face book pages and mainstream media coverage leading up to the 'popular' backlash.

How does this have any bearing? Did someone claim it to be 'spontaneous' when I wasn't looking?

Yet clearly dreaded communists organizing protests within 24 hours is not spontaneous.

Yeah. The operative and opposed turns of phrase there are 'organizing' and 'spontaneous'. Perhaps you define those terms somehow differently than is common.

The IDF stated that they were training all week to storm the ships. Great time to make propaganda films (paintball guns during training...not unheard of) just saying it's possible.

Oh and people from Turkey for the most part are Turks, not Arabs. There are some Arabs living in Turkey, but majority of population are Turks.

Here are the Arab League member countries:
6 Founding Countries in 1945
Egypt
Iraq
Lebanon
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Jordan

1946 and Later
Algeria
Bahrain
Djibouti
Kuwait
Libya
Mauritania
Morocco
Oman
Palestinian Authority
Qatar
Sudan
Tunisia
UAE
Yemen
Somalia
Comoros

The last 2 on the list are the only countries whose primary language is not Arabic.

Being Arabic doesn't equate being Muslim either.
Lebanon for example has 18 different religious sects, roughly 60% (Shia, Sunni, and Druze) of that being Muslim, and the other 40% are some type of Christian, Catholic, or Jewish (yet still Arabs).

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by soleprobe

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by soleprobe

 

You are trying to make it seem like the whole point of the flotilla was purely political and while yes it is making a political statement...

To me this is not political... this is similar to the tyranny experienced on a daily basis here in Canada and the United States... The Israelis think they own the high seas just as the thug cops here think they can break down your door and kill your 7-year-old daughter if her grand mother resist....

The aid to the Palestinians or the political intent of those on board is not the issue... any vessel in international water is sovereign... and therefore the Israelis are dead wrong.


[edit on 31-5-2010 by soleprobe]

If you believe Israel was wrong to take these actions, then in fact we are in agreement.

Thanks.

Yes we are in agreement... many of these posts seem to be all over the map.... seems that some here have taken out their bibles for some online bible study

reply to post by nenothtu


Yes you obviously missed the Draw Mohamed Day was spontaneous thread!

Actually if you had to compare body counts between Capitilists and Communists who do you think has wracked up more?

Since you work in 'security' chances are you meeting anyone peace loving from any background or walk of life or faith are slim.

People protest in general because they feel inclined to do so. Sometimes they are dead wrong in what they protest, but they always believe they are right.

Yes most protests are organized, they gernerally require permitts and some pre-coordination if you want the protest to come off peacefully and be unmollested.

Are you upset that people are orgainzing peaceful protests?

reply to post by soleprobe

Yes we are in agreement... many of these posts seem to be all over the map.... seems that some here have taken out their bibles for some online bible study

It truly is amazing the things people want to read into the Bible especially when it comes to justifying violence, and murder.

What a world, 2,000 years after the fact with over 100 known rewrites people are still pointing to that book, as a means to justify war and death.

Hard to believe its not Mars God of War that they are worshipping?

reply to post by The Dad

As the Hamas spokesperson said - it is a win win situation.

What has this got to do with Hamas? Hamas is destroying Palestinians whenever they get the slightest opportunity. Hamas is the best Israeli friend.

Hamas destroyed Arab Palestinian houses Dozens of homes in the southern Gaza town of Rafah were knocked down with bulldozers.

ivarfjeld.wordpress.com...

Hamas said the homes were built illegally on government land. For years, Palestinians have criticized Israel for destroying houses, mostly because they were built without permits. Now, Rafah residents complained, their own government has done the same. Nazira Abu Jara, 56, said policewomen wearing face veils typical of conservative Muslim women beat her with clubs until she fled her house with her husband and two children. Residents said between 30 and 40 homes were torn down and more demolitions were expected Monday.

See any difference between Hamas and Israel? I don't. Lucky me, I'm color blind.



[edit on 31-5-2010 by DangerDeath]

Does anyone know if anyone is organising a protest in London.

Originally posted by Sky watcher

You don't think its possible to sneak people on-board during the night when most are sleeping? The fact that only the Turkish ship had problems says allot. How do you know this wasn't planned by some Turkish government radicals to split the bond that Israel and Turkey had?

well yeah and they had lot of surface to air misiles but ditched them in the sea and the bottles of water might have biological weapons in them and bin-laden got away in a mini sub just after the cow jumped over the moon.

Lets stick with the facts that people are being starved, abused and land is being stolen and isreail attacked a aid convoy just like Hitller attacked aid convoys in internationsl waters.

it's not propaganda when a nation like isreail comes under the international spotlight and before we deal with the religious nutters in the muslim world we need to deal with the zionists and remove the nukes they hold because they can not be trusted and are making threats day after day about how they are going to use them.

Do you not get tired of all this attack = defence logic.

it realy comes to something when i have to watch foriegn news to get even a slimmer of real world events because the zionists control so much of the media in the UK.

a blockade on gazza is no more lawfull than a blockade on cuba and i don't remember being asked to vote for or against a blockade do you.

Protesting in many Swedish cities and tows against the Israeli attack!

All political parties, from conservatives to the small communist party and their leaders have now condemned todays action of Israel.

7000 protest against Israeli attacks

Around 7000 people gathered at Sergel Square in Stockholm in the evening to show their support for the Ship to Gaza.

Then the demonstrators marched to the Israeli Embassy.

- "It was very peaceful atmosphere, "said Aftonbladet's reporter.

In several cities around Sweden, people gathered on Monday evening to show solidarity with the Ship to Gaza.

"Boycott Israel, Boycott Israel".

The call echoed over Sergel Square, where 7000 people, according to police, had gathered to protest against Israeli attacks.

That they became attacked by peace activists is not a credible explanation. There is no doubt that Israel has used excessive force, "said Lise Bergh, Swedish Amnesty's Secretary General, in her speech.

A number of prominent people and politicians spoke, most of them with the same message: Now Israel has gone too far.

Tonight Israel went too far, too far. We call for a free Palestine, according to the 1967 borders, said Jämtin, the opposition Mayor (S).

The atmosphere was very peaceful, "says Josefine Hökerberg, Aftonbladet's reporter on the spot for the protest in Stockholm.

Bad Google translation above!


Here's the article in Swedish.

www.aftonbladet.se...

Its the same all over Europe in all major cities - people are protesting against this action by the Israelis and this barbarian act of piracy and kidnapping of European citizens on International waters.

I've avoided this thread waiting for what I just saw to answer my questions.

I'm watching video's of these people who claimed to be there to provide aid, beating people with pipes and even plunging a knife into a Soldier. I then see the Soldiers after being brutally attacked, panicking and fighting back in self defense.

Everything else appears to be hype. This whole thing was a setup. What happened is exactly what the people on the flotilla wanted to happen and in fact orchestrated. It went exactly as they wished it to go. Had the Soldiers not fought back, they would have been slaughtered with pipes and knives.

I think its important people get the story straight before you can make any sense of it. The purpose of the flotilla was to cause to happen, exactly what happened. No innocents in this story.

[edit on 5/31/2010 by Blaine91555]

reply to post by Blaine91555


Link to that video please.

Never mind just saw it.

When your house is being attacked by intruders you are allowed to defend yourself by law. The vessel was illegally boarded by the IDF in International Waters. No two ways about that!

[edit on 31-5-2010 by AllIsOne]

[edit on 31-5-2010 by AllIsOne]

Originally posted by Blaine91555
I've avoided this thread waiting for what I just saw to answer my questions.

I'm watching video's of these people who claimed to be there to provide aid, beating people with pipes and even plunging a knife into a Soldier. I then see the Soldiers after being brutally attacked, panicking and fighting back in self defense.

Everything else appears to be hype. This whole thing was a setup. What happened is exactly what the people on the flotilla wanted to happen and in fact orchestrated. It went exactly as they wished it to go. Had the Soldiers not fought back, they would have been slaughtered with pipes and knives.

I think its important people get the story straight before you can make any sense of it. That purpose of the flotilla was to cause to happen, exactly what happened. No innocents in this story.

So the IDF "Pirates" were attacked....What would you do if you were aboard a ship in international waters, and individuals were boarding yer ship? This is an ACT OF PIRACY....It doesn't matter if the IDF was justified in using their weapons after being "mobbed" by the "pesky humanitarian terrorists"...Point is they had NO RIGHT to board the ship in the first place. Like a poster said a few pages earlier, if they have waited a little while longer they could have got them for "smuggling" in Israeli waters....But it's international waters....The UN is going to screwwww them...If the US and UK will for once, not defend Israel. It's clear they committed an act of piracy here.

reply to post by AllIsOne


dang it, ya beat me to it AllIsOne. I agree. If anything, they were justified in their defense of their cargo and crew. The IDF had 0 right to board that ship...

reply to post by Blaine91555


That's rediculous in that rats don't get stuck in the trap if they don't go for the cheese!

The truth is that nothing would have happened had Israel just let the flotilla deliver it's aide.

Did after several convoys encounter Israeli boats ramming pleasure craft and using force to block the convoys lead to some making 'what if' contingency plans?

Sure, one need look no further to the USS Liberty to see examples of the Israeli Armed Services murdering people in cold blood at sea, or previous convoys to know Isreal likely would respond.

Yet that begs the question should the presence of tyrants dictate submission and people not trying to do the right thing.

The right thing is to lift the Gaza Blockade.

So once again the story the Zionists are trying to get straight is to what extent can they twist the truth, to make the belligerent look like a victim.

Does one of the best funded, equipt and trained navies in the world get had by a bunch of humanitarian activists who 'out smarted' them by succeeding in getting ten of their members killed and many more detained in prison?

Please!

Israel is the agressor, its plain as day.

Precious little Israel is being exposed as the brutal fascist they have always been.

We’ll see if the Americans and Europeans will still go to any length to protect the little precious white Ashkenazi Jew Zionists.

They probably will continue to be controlled by the American Zionist like APAC, ADL, Alan Dershowitz, Mortimer Zuckerman, the Seagram’s, and the Zionist controlled media.

Perhaps—though I doubt it—even they will now have a conscience and see that starving brown skinned Palestinians, so white Ashkenazi Jews can steal land, is immoral.

Let’s wait and see the backlash, propaganda, and lies of the Zionist media in defending these murders.


[edit on 31-5-2010 by inforeal]

[edit on 31-5-2010 by inforeal]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Yes you obviously missed the Draw Mohamed Day was spontaneous thread!

Yes, I missed that. It doesn't sound worthy of participation anyhow, so I can't say I'm sad.

Actually if you had to compare body counts between Capitilists and Communists who do you think has wracked up more?

I'd have to say communists, just off the top of my head, simply because capitalists didn't have Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot to contend with. Haven't really researched that, though. You may have a point.

Hitler's misdeeds are in a class all alone, since he was a self-identified Socialist, neither Communist nor Capitalist.

Since you work in 'security' chances are you meeting anyone peace loving from any background or walk of life or faith are slim.

Oh, I met lots of peace loving folks in that line of work, but would have to say you are correct in assuming that I met a disproportionate number of folks who were otherwise. Just so you'll know, I'm not doing that work any more, but it's true enough that my outlook is probably informed by experience there.


People protest in general because they feel inclined to do so. Sometimes they are dead wrong in what they protest, but they always believe they are right.

Are you upset that people are orgainzing peaceful protests?

No. As I said before, I was just reporting on the contents of that page, as requested. I could really care less about protests, peaceful or otherwise, organized or otherwise.

Seems to me to be a whole lot of folks willing to jump on a bandwagon, without doing the research, or indeed even allowing time for the dust to settle and valid research to be done. That is, of course, their right to do so, but they really shouldn't expect or desire any sort of respect from others for their willingness to be herded.

And yes, I consider purely knee-jerk reactions, just to stay within the confines of the pack, as being herded.