What in the World are They Spraying [Official Trailer]

reply to post by sandwiches

I was talking about the difference between low level cloud formation and high level cloud formation. You were talking about the formation of low level clouds and were incorrect about all of it.

Actually, upper air soundings are usually made twice a day , at 12:00UTC and 00:00UTC.

People are really not very good at accurately judging distance without visual clues.

The results of both experiments revealed that there are large individual differences in how observers perceive distances in outdoor settings. The observers’ judgments were greatly affected by the particular task they were asked to perform. The observers who had shown no evidence of perceptual distortions in experiment 1 (with binocular vision) demonstrated large perceptual distortions in experiment 2 when the task was changed to match distances in depth to frontal distances perpendicular to the observers’ line of sight. Considered as a whole, the results indicate that there is no single relationship between physical and perceived space that is consistent with observers’ judgments of distances in ordinary outdoor contexts.

www.perceptionweb.com...

Binocular vision only really works to distances of a few meters. Beyond that you need to use other visual clues to estimate distance. Looking at a contrail gives you none of those clues. You do not know how wide or long it is so you cannot judge its distance, much less its altitude. A good example of this is people mistaking toy balloons for huge UFOs.

Yes, you could use triangulation to calculate the height of a contrail if you measure the elevation and azimuth of the contrail from two different locations. I do not see anything in that video about using triangulation to determine the height of the contrail.


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reply to post by Phage


Phage, I think your logic just killed this thread.

High Five!

reply to post by weedwhacker


...so you are putting effort into "helping" other people learn the truth? Again, it seems to be that... and I may be wrong, the only real and lasting truth is a self realized truth. Show somebody your truth until you are blue in the face, it does not mean it is their truth. All you have done is waste your time and others... The more you fight fire with fire the more you get burned. Life is ours, we live it our way. There comes a point in time when you realize things will never be the same and time is divided into two parts; before this and after this...

Just a heads up for the chemtrailers here.

A new thread that needs your attention:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Chadwickus

post by Chadwickus
Just a heads up for the chemtrailers here. A new thread that needs your attention:

Just because some people are of a different opinion to you on the subject of chemtrails doesn't mean they are stupid and need herding to your thread .
I am sure that with a title like Chemtrailers: Your time is NOW! they will understand that it is intended for them , and that you and the other naysayers will be waiting to show them the error of their ways

reply to post by dcflux


Well...you see, what I have (and the others who have similar knowledge, and experience have) is science and facts...so, YES, facts are a form of truth.

What "chemtrail" believers have is a sort of faith --- similar to other faiths, but based on insufficienct, incomplete and incorrect "facts" that lead them astray.

What happens in many of these sorts of deeply-held "conspiracy" faiths is this: When presented with the actual science, and facts, it is difficult for some people to let go of their previously held, and ingrained, "beliefs". In order to do that, they have to admit (to themselves, and to others) that they were wrong. People don't like to be proven wrong, they usually will resist with every fiber of their being...it is an ego thing, and quite common. Happens a lot, as can be seen on the ATS boards, in many fields of so-called "conspiracies", some that are more outrageous than others, and defy all logic and reason.

Purpose, though, of continuing education is to expose what has previously been put out, and "believed" --- because in absence of true facts and science, people can be easily convinced of nearly anything.

It's a bit like a magic show...maybe not the best analogy, perhaps there's a better one. But, when David Copperfield produces a tiger seemingly out of 'nowhere', people are amazed, and perhaps even way deep down might "believe" there's more to it than just a trick, an illusion.


"Chemtrail" hoaxters count on this aspect of human psychology. They bank on it, some to great profit.

I've gone to lengths by using reason, and even numbers, to show that what is being mistaken for "chemtrails" are just normal passenger airliners making contrails --- THAT can be easily proven, in today's modern Internet age. By the 'numbers' I've shown how it is simply not feasible for humans to mechanically lift (by airplane, as is suggested by the "chemtrail" hoaxters) the necessary BILLIONS of pounds of material.

Yes, 'billions' with a 'B'. I've shown how the eruption of just ONE volcano (Mt. Pinatubo, 1987) resulted in the addition of about 40 BILLION pounds of sulpher hydroxide into the earth's atmosphere, yet its appreciable impact on the climate? About 1-2 degree temperature change, overall, at most.

There is NO mechanism on regular passenger jets, nor the excess weight capacity either, to be "spraying" something overboard. It costs a significant amount of exess fuel to carry excess weight, too...but, anyway, there simply isn't any way for passenger jets to do it.

There also is no fleet LARGE enough on this planet, either...whether military, or United Nations, or whatever. 40 BILLION pounds? ONE volcano, and very little effect on climate. Try to match that amount --- how many airplanes? How many flights? Do the math.

There are some "pie-in-the-sky" suggestions being considered, in the event at some future time the need is so dire that we may need to intervene some way, to avert a climate catastophe...but we aren't there yet, the science on THAT is disputed, and conflicted. BUT, options are being studied as to possible effectivity, and implementation...studied.

Other aspects of the complex interactions of our atmosphere are being examined, too...ALL data that will be useful in future, as noted, IF intervention is ever deemed necessary.

Everyone should take a moment and consider the amount of area --- in square miles, or square kilometers --- that comprises the earth's surface.

There's some more math to consider, when you calculate it out, and compute just HOW MUCH MASS would be needed to cover such an area, even if only a very thin layer (and it would likely need to be thicker, if ever actually deploed, to make up for the air mixing and the eddys and currents that would disrupt an otherwise "smooth" layer...)

The physical and logistical challenges to such a project are extremely daunting.

Hey, speaking of chemtrails, and since I'm a new member who can't post a thread of his own, I'd suggest that anyone in the Las Vegas area take a look outside today 5/27/10. It's about 8:10am and literally about HALF THE SKY is covered with NINE thick vapor trails all north-south direction, side by side, in addition to a few other vapor trails crisscrossing it. Please if you are, or know someone who is, in the Las Vegas, NV, area, look up.

I personally haven't put much stock in the chemtrail phenomenon but this gives me pause, it looks quite intentional but I don't know.

I apologize if this is an inappropriate use of the "reply" function, but as I can't post on this it's the only way I can think of to draw attention to this.

reply to post by reactionarysubversive


Welcome to ATS reactionarysubversive.
Your contribution is valid , more eyewitness testimony is always useful
If you have a camera why not take some pictures and post them latter .

reply to post by reactionarysubversive


Welcome to the asylum, reactionary...

Here:

skyvector.com...

Go to the link above. Upper left-hand corner, type in 'KLAS' for the McCarren airport.

Look for a tab labeled "Enroute H-4". Open it.

You will then be looking at the aeronautical chart (High altitude) for your area, over your city.

Those lines that are labelled with a 'J', and a number? Those are called 'Jet Airways'.

Note how many converge overhead Las Vegas. Those are VERY, very active airway routes. A LOT of traffic in and out of the Los Angeles area, to other parts of the country (and World) travel overhead Las Vegas. AND, also, overhead in a northwest/southeast direction, to other destinations.

I would direct you, also, to the 'flightaware' website...at the moment it is down (**), there is no filght information. Perhaps later toady it will start to work, again. You can actually, track live air traffic, in your area (ar anywhere in the USA).
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(**) EDIT two hours later, it is now 1326 EDT. 'FlightAware' website is back up.

HERE is Las Vegas: flightaware.com...

If you need help interpreting, just ask. Pay note to the airplanes that are GREEN on the activity display. Those are the ones just passing by, NOT departing or arriving at KLAS.



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reply to post by reactionarysubversive

It is great to see another that has awakened to what is going on in the skies.
Maybe document this with a good digital camera, and post the pics.

Edit to add: I now notice this suggestion has already been made, just read it.



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reply to post by Stewie


AND I suggest you follow my advice, above.

But only if you dare to deny IGNORANCE.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Taking my own advice, now.

I'm looking outside, in MY area (Washington, DC suburbs).

It is a hot, 'muggy' day (on the ground). Here is the METAR for National Airport (closest to me at the present time):

KDCA 271652Z 00000KT 10SM FEW055 SCT250 33/18 A2979

That is today's date (27) @1652 Zulu (UTC). (That's about 50 minutes ago, as I post this)... Wind calm, at least ten SM visibility (most they ever report, even if greater), few clouds at 5,500 and scattered at 25,000 feet. temp is 33C, dewpoint 18C. Altimeter setting is 29.79 inches mg.

There are NO contrails, haven't been any all morning, into early afternoon now....

I can look at the activity: flightaware.com...

...and enlarge the graphic, zoom out...and see there are plenty of airplanes flying past our area, just as there are every day.

No contrails made, though, because it's just not humid enough up at altitude...it's humid down on the ground..."muggy" and hot.

Storms are forecast for tomorrow, so the upper level atmosphere will be changing, as hours go by...perhpaps this PM, or early AM tomorrow, and contrials will begin to show up again.

Anyone can go to skyvector.com... and put in 'KDCA' and the 'Enroute H' tabs to see the Jet Airway designated "J-75"...the majority of air traffic transiting overhead this area goes along that route, and I see plenty of contrials in the same area, day after day...or not, depending.


It really is that basic...and those who simply cannot accept the reason, logic and science? Well, fantasies can be fun, I suppose...unnecessary and hysterical paranoia can't be much fun, though.....



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For those that are still skeptics.... Why is Monsanto making Aluminum resistant strains of their "seedlings"..

www.sovereignindependent.com...

ALUMINUM RESISTANT SEEDS.......wtf?

reply to post by Mr Smithen

Yes. Aluminum is found naturally in soil and can cause problems for agriculture.

Aluminum is the most abundant metal in the earth's crust. It makes up about 7% of the mass (essentially the weight) of the earths crust. If you apply this number to an acre of soil 6 2/3 inches deep (2 million pounds of soil), that 7% "Total Al" would equal about 140,000 lb Al/acre or 70,000 ppm. Those of us involved in producing plants, whether those plants are agricultural, turf, or ornamental, should understand how Al can affect these plants.

www.spectrumanalytic.com...

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As I rarely post in topics regarding chem trails and the paranoia that surrounds it all simply because there are far more effective methods of mood alterations than what the general global population is aware of. I guess people should at some point begin to question the motives and the distortion of such hypothetical scenarios and begin to deal with real life ordered structured society based upon a categorized biometric classification.

You should once in a while venture into the unknown and look beyond what you are comfortably subjected to without undue danger.

reply to post by tristar
Your avatar and signature says all.
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Originally posted by Phage
When you are talking about contrails it gets more complicated though because you're not just talking about the condensation of water vapor, you're talking about the formation of ice crystals and your talking about the very hot water vapor coming out of the engine and how it responds when it suddenly cools. Yes, persistent contrails take specific conditions to form but those conditions are not rare. It mostly requires low temperatures. Humidity is important as well but if it is cold enough, persistent contrails can even form in 0% humidity,

So then why is it ALL the chemtrails I see here are during warm days when there are NO CLOUDS.

If I am living under flightpaths then why, just like today it was pretty cloudy are there ZERO trails to be seen anywhere.


Your statement did nothing but confirm exactly what I thought.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Mr Smithen

 

Yes. Aluminum is found naturally in soil and can cause problems for agriculture.

Hahahaha, Jeez you make me laugh.

Maybe it's also because our water is full of Flouride too/

reply to post by nevets

So then why is it ALL the chemtrails I see here are during warm days when there are NO CLOUDS.

Just because it's warm at ground temperature, does not mean it's the same temperature 5-6 miles above your head.

For condition's to be conducive to persistent contrails, does not necessitate that other clouds be present, and vice versa.

reply to post by nevets

Because the higher you get the colder it gets. Just because it is warm on the ground does not mean it is warm at 30,000 feet. If there are no low level clouds, it has nothing to do with what's happening at high levels.

You are not seeing contrails today because it is not cold enough at high altitudes today and/or the humidity level at high altitudes is not great enough.

Yes, in some places the natural levels of fluoride are high just as in some places natural levels of aluminum are high. But I don't know why you find it amusing. Do you think they are "spraying" fluoride too? I never heard that one before. Why would they do that when they make it public that it's added to drinking water?

A national panel of scientists reported Wednesday that high levels of naturally occurring fluoride in drinking water are leaving children in some communities at risk of tooth enamel damage and adults prone to weakened bones that could lead to fractures.

The scientists unanimously recommended that the federal limit on fluoride in drinking water be lowered to protect people in communities where high levels leach into the water from natural sources, such as rocks or soil.

articles.latimes.com...



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