What in the World are They Spraying [Official Trailer]

reply to post by Trogdornator

Yes, and it has been explained several times already. The atmosphere is not homogeneous. It is not too uncommon for there to be areas where contrails form and areas where contrails don't form. There are good examples of it happening in this video. Around :40 is a good one.



[edit on 5/26/2010 by Phage]

reply to post by Trogdornator


Weedwhacker explained that in the post above yours...

Originally posted by Phage

There are plenty of dramatic video clips of chemtrails on the Internet, and your innate intelligence tells you that what you see in the sky with your own eyes is not caused by mere vapor trails from jet aircraft

When there is no evidence what do you do? Do some research about how the atmosphere works? No, that's too hard. Much easier to use your "innate intelligence" of course! What exactly is innate intelligence? Intelligence without education is still ignorance. Does your innate intelligence provide information about atmospheric conditions 6 miles over your head? Does it let you know about dew point and humidity and supersaturation and the water vapor content and temperature of jet engine exhaust? No? But that stuff has nothing to do with it. Your native intelligence should be enough to tell you that!

Native ignorance.

[edit on 5/25/2010 by Phage]

Sense of reason you're trying to be on ATS, I love reading your posts, but sometimes I get a feeling that you're trying to be too rational just to be rational.
Nothing personal, my opinion only, of course.
regards!

reply to post by Precognition

Ok.
Henceforth I will aspire to be rational in order to be irrational.

reply to post by Stewie


There are too many errors in Carnicom's technique to trust anything he says. It's called credibility. Did you know he was majorly spoofed by a report from a New Mexico lab? They sent out a false report on the finding of dihydrogen mono-oxide being found. Dangerous stuff, and Carnicom was all over it. On a page in Carnicom's site, the list of his references includes self-serving reports authored by him (wouldn't get a passing grade in high school science), the instruction insert in a middle school level water test kit, and several books just about "Chemistry for Dummies". One of his "barium" findings is done based on ground level collection, without using a known mineral profile to remove from the results. This same test was just that, A TEST. Just one. No where does he test an actual trail, just the air well beneath.
When credibility is found lacking in even one instance, it's hard to give anything thing he says much weight. He's been a "research scientist". What discipline? What are his credentials? If he was a chemist, or a meteorologist I'm sure he would make that clear.
Question your sources. Look at their "facts". Follow their research notes to their source. If you had done that, you wouldn't be trusting Carnicom either. He makes his living selling his work and himself, as a "chemtrail" believer and researcher. Smells like shill to me.

reply to post by Stewie


Wrong. VERY WRONG. Of course a contrail can persist. It is water vapor and pollutants. Just like a cloud. Same atmosphere, same forces at work, same materials, same persistence expected.

Denying that is just not silly, it's illogical. Like I've replied to you before, using Carnicom for a source is not going to teach you anything. Try researching the real contrail science. There is lots of it, as really qualified people have been studying them for 70 years.

reply to post by One Moment


One Moment.....

Yes, I am opened to re-thinking my position

That's exactly what I did.

About 10 years ago I became a little concerned regarding this chemtrail topic.....enough so that I even discussed it with my wife. In fact, I even once talked myself into believing I was watching one of those oft mentioned "unmarked white chemtrail planes" flying around after a possible "chemtrail spraying".

But I kept at it.....

I kept reading both sides of the argument..... very extensively.

Guess what I found.....there's no such thing as a chemtrail.

I must say the material & discussion on ATS as presented by members including but not limited to OzWeatherman, Chadwickus, Phage, Weedwhacker, etc... is right up there with the best I've seen anywhere.

Although I've already posted such links many times previously, let me know if you would like me to direct you to some of the more informative threads.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

I really don't see how you can flat out say there is no such thing as chemtrails just as people who think they are for real have no way to fully prove their existence.

Regardless of not being pilots or scientists, we have all lived and seen the sky and in my case have noticed a great change. Yes I had seen chemtrail videos but I always took them as something that was happening in America. It wasn't until I started seeing very strange sights that it began to affect ME.

I had posted photos of some of the trails I had been seeing and once again "weedwacker" was on hand to go out of his way to prove they were normal. Why would you devote so much time to disproving something if you "knew" all was normal? surely you would just let the "conspiracy theorists" get on with it?

And even though weedwacker had gone to great lengths to show I was wrong it was all just pointless because I have my own eyes and feel the apocalyptic sunsets just aren't "normal" where I live.





I also don't see why people would think it so inconceivable if it were believed to be something good in the way of reducing global warming.

Even in the seemingly Al Gore funded documentary "Earth 2100" did they even suggest it to us to actually be a future possilble solution (If we had the technology)




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[edit on 26-5-2010 by nevets]

reply to post by nevets

Why would you devote so much time to disproving something if you "knew" all was normal? surely you would just let the "conspiracy theorists" get on with it?

Simple.

It is disheartening to see very, very bad information (easily shown to be incorrect) being spread. This is nothing less than preying on the gullible.

To me (since it has turned into a 'business', and has a profit motive for the hucksters involved) it is just as vile as "tele-vangelists" plying their load of hogwash. THEY showed the world how easy it was, starting with the TV. NOW, the Internet!?! Even more powerful...sadly.

Powerful good, but can be used for evil, too.

Sure, one could wave one's hand and say caveat emptor...but, really, this nonsense is luring an entire new generation of young people.

Modern sciences and mathematics teaching have fallen by the wayside enough, already. THIS sort of crap just adds to the 'dumbing down' of a great many people in the world --- people who will one day hold positions of power over others, they will be effectively IN CONTROL, and 'running' things...with very, very poor comprehension of REAL science to fall back on, if this sort of nonsense continues unchallenged.

I've posted this trailer yesterday on my facebook in hopes of spreading the message. I never really knew what to make of chem trails and had never seen one until I moved to CA. After being here for a week I saw within a few hours two X patterns lasting for more than an hour. I also visited the ECETI ranch up in WA a few weeks ago and I saw them spraying and laying their lines first hand. I have absolutely no doubt about it anymore.

I was able to take pictures and this is one of them, seeing here in CA.





And these 2 I took at ECETI. They started spraying left from us and worked their way across the ranch area.




We then could watch how the sky where they trails had been sprayed first, started to turn cloudy and into a weird gray color. It literally looked toxic, I kid you not. Yet we never saw clouds starting to move in and where the trails were just a few minutes old, the skies was blue around. Would be a pretty weird coincidence




[edit on 26-5-2010 by Serafina]

reply to post by Serafina


See what I mean???

Serafina just said that (he/she) posted the movie trailer on FACEBOOK, for Pete's sake!!

That is EXACTLY what the makers of the film want! Free friggin' publicity!

But, yeah....keep telling yourselves they're doing this movie to "warn" people, out of the goodness of their hearts....

Money-grubbing lying hypocrites.

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(Please, Serafina...to deny ignorance, read through the ENTIRE thread, here. Seems you haven't, yet....)

[edit on 26 May 2010 by weedwhacker]

I agree with you with regards to the dumbing down, but we are not all dumb just because we are not experts in the field.

Take last weekend. We had glorious weather here without a cloud in the sky, yet from when I went into my garden at around 11am I could see the trails beginning and over the next few hours got worse until the sky had nearly all become a haze. Yet at around 2.30pm it stopped. The weather didn't change yet the trails were gone for the rest of the weekend.



In this one you can see a plane flying in the same area with what I would perceive to be a "normal" contrail yet it is surrounded by huge thick trails which as you can also see leading to spreading into the haziness.



[edit on 26-5-2010 by nevets]

barium thats what they are spraying
it is good 4 the internet satelites communication
and it gives u cancr thats all

reply to post by nevets


yeah...that is the way it happens. It's the way te atmosphere is different, day to day.

Take last weekend. We had glorious weather here without a cloud in the sky...

Same in my area, too. EVERY day is different, because of the conditions up at altitude.

Same flights fly the same routes, each day. I can see the airplanes, when it's bright, and they glint in the sunlight...even when they aren't forming contrails.

Even in the span of a few hours, the high altitude air will change, and more humidity develop, and THEN contrails begin to show up.

AND...sheesh! Airplanes fly all sorts of different routes, and directions (this for Serafina). SO, contrials will cross over each other, making the "X" that you photographed.

This isn't rocket science, it's been happening for decades.

What 'chemtrail' hucksters sell is "racket" science....

@Weedwacker

I am sure not every pattern can account for chem trails. You are right on that. However, nobody will convince me of there not being some truth to it. Gee, I've seen the freaking plane with my own eyes out in the absolute nowhere laying a line, then coming back the other way and laying the next one...and the next one...and the next one. So WHY would one and the same plane keep flying back and forth above a private, very remote ranch, huh? Of course all the other hundreds of people that have witnessed chem trails there over the last years are just spinning tails as well.

And believe it or not, yes, there are still people out there that are genuine by heart and are trying to do something for the greater good. Of course a documentary will reach a lot of people all over the world. I'd would have done the same thing if I wanted to get a message out and would have the means to do so.


[edit on 26-5-2010 by Serafina]

You guys do know that ATS's original main purpose was to "Deny Ignorance" which includes exposing frauds, hoaxes and just plain bad science and information?

Chemtrails is some of the worst nonsense out there in alternative and conspiracy topics. Those who are trying to inject truth and facts into this topic are in fact doing as ATS intended from the outset. To Deny Ignorance is to expose Ignorance, not to ignore Ignorance.

Just the number of people who would have to be keeping this secret and be involved should set off an intelligent persons alarm bells. The Pilot's, the Crews and the Ground Crews would have to be in on this. We've even had members of Ground Crews who know every inch of these aircraft on here trying to inject reason into this topic to no avail.

Sometimes people want something that is not true, to be true so badly they are willing to suspend all logic and even lie and pretend ignorance.

I also believe on some topics those pushing them know they are crap but like a troll get off on keeping the nonsense going. In fact I'm sure this is going on often.

Then we have the real problem. The fakers and phonies who write the books and make the video's. They know up front its all crap and they willingly lie for the money they make or think they will make. Sometimes these people insist lies are true for so long they eventually come to believe their own lies.

Another factor I see in play here is that when believers do come to realize they are wrong, they are so deep in that they continue to argue the wrong way out of some misguided embarrassment and refusal to admit to the truth.

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Just the number of people who would have to be keeping this secret and be involved should set off an intelligent persons alarm bells.

I guess, then all the people and experts that are saying 9/11 was an inside job are not intelligent as well. Because after all, just imagine "the number of people who would have to be keeping this secret"...or the UFO subject...and yet they pull it off. If they disguise it or just flat out deny it, they will do what necessary to keep their sheep in calm. Thinking the government like really cares about us or our lives, "should set off an intelligent persons alarm bells!"



[edit on 26-5-2010 by Serafina]

reply to post by Serafina


Oh, please. It's not "laying a line". It's a contrail, caused by the release of hot, moist air meeting very cold moist air. You cannot say "it looked literally toxic". No one can tell the chemical composition of anything with their eyes. Do you know how silly that sounds? Also planes do not fly back and forth. You are seeing planes in a flight corridor on an established route. REally, did you do any research or did you get all your info from the web. If you believe in "chemtrails", then you need to prove they are somehow different than a normal contrail. Not just look up and not know what you are looking at and fear the worse.
Yes, I said fear. Because that is all "chemtrail" mythology is about. The great un-named "they" are doing something to you, yet you have no idea how, who, or why. I started researching "chemtrails" vs. contrails by asking a simple queston "What are the white lines behind airplanes". Then I compared what each source said against the science I knew and each other. Did you know an amazing amount of "chemtrail" theory all ends up with the "them" being reptilian aliens? Some smart theory. If anyone wanted to poison, sterizlize, drug, or make us ill, there are a heck of a lot of better, cheaper ways that no one would be able to detect.
I've said it before..."Chemtrails" are the most visual, high cost, high maintenance, labor intensive "secret operation" anyone could imagine.

reply to post by nevets


Okay, you don't seem to know this. Weather at ground level is not an indicator of weather at flight weather.

Geez.........

reply to post by Serafina


Yes, I would say 9/11 "truthers" are far from any form of real truth as they can get.
Same with UFO'ers.

Just because seemingly lots of people believe in something does not make it true. Look at all the people who believed in "Change". And we got....?

(off-topic, perhaps?)