"They come here for a better life" and "Jobs Americans Won't Do"

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

I guess you are just on opinion here and not on base statistical facts, I guess is nothing more to debate on the fact that immigration specially within the Latino illegals only bring poverty to American and more stress to the tax payer in the nation.

Have a nice day and deny ignorance don't spread it. . .

Another Bullcrap soundbite from the xenophobics.

Human over Money Not Money over Human.

i agree with you SOOO much (op). If they want a better life maybe they should work in their own country pay that countries taxes and bring up their own country. oh but no the easy way is to jump the border and hide out getting no taxes taken out and over populating our Southern western states. its a drain on our whole country and i dont care what anyone else says, the fact is we spend alot of time and money kicking these people out just so they can come back. all n all they have only themeless to blame for their #ty country that is only gonna get #tier cause they are neglecting it and coming over to our country to do what they did to mexico. if you have ever liven in sother cal you know what im talking about. if you happen to find yourself in one of the many mexican hoods out there you find tagging (#ty tagging at that just that #ty scribble #) , COPs on every corner caus they know whats up, kids and adults with no respect for the earth, they just throw their trash on the ground. i live in a white side of town and its clean . about 5 blocks down on 1st street it get REALLY TRASHY (really fast)! i have mexican friends, i dont blame them tho its the older generation. BALLS up mexicans go take care of your trash, excuse me i mean country.


also just to throw this out there. I know PLENTY OF AMERICANS that would LOVE TO GET A #TY JOB DOING #TY THINGS but cant cause of so cal overpopulation with illegals
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[edit on 15-5-2010 by killartofu]

Originally posted by Blanca Rose

Originally posted by atzmaz

Great, are your relatives, tax paying, legal citizens? Most people who are citizens, had relatives that became legal citizens.

Yes but some people like my Grandmothers sister lived here her whole life, paid taxes, had kids, but didn't become a citizen till she was 96. Immigrants legal or no all pay taxes, every time they buy things. They would pay federal taxes too if they didn't think they would be deported.

Ok, when did you get the impression the discussion was about legal immigrants? Isn't it about ILLEGAL immigrants? It amazes me the idiocy of people that confuse the two. An illegal is an illegal, where a legal is legal. One can choose between the two. Why are you suggesting people are racist, for not wanting illegals? They can be from anywhere. An illegal is an illegal.

I'm sure your family got permission from the natives when they invaded and took their land. But I'm sure you paid them taxes... The only thing that makes them illegal is that there is no path for them to become legal except to have kids here. What kind of crazy logic is that? Look at Europe.... I travel there often and they have a mostly open immigration policy and its not chaos by any means and there is a way for everyone to eventually become a citizen. These people are risking their lives, health, and families so that they can eat and make just enough to live in this country.

They should be fighting for changes in their own country, if the are illegal, and here. Why should the US be responsible for the way another country treats it's own residents? Especially those with no cujones to do something at home, but who come here because it's easier to suck of the Amerian tit?

When they fight for changes in their own country they get the butt of the gun or a bullet in the head. Worse they might get their families kidnapped, tortured or raped. We are the cause of most of the problems but like I said I'm not blaming America we were doing what we thought was best at the time. We care about how China treats their people, but why not Mexico, that sounds like hippocracy to me. Its not easier to come here, they have to traverse deserts, people who would kill them for the thousands they charge them to travel here in the back of trucks, trains, trailers, etc.

Legal immigrants are awesome, illegals need to go back home, and you can feel free to go with them, any time!

I don't know what you think a legal immigrant is but all of them start out illegal unless they were given birth to here. I didn't cross the border the border crossed us. Where I lived was Spain, Mexico and Texas long before it was anything known as America. Much of that land still would be in our family if the local and state government didn't steal it away from us. On the other hand I doubt where your family came from would take you back...at least not with out a promise of a job from a company there.

Obvioulsy, you have no distinction between legal, and illegal.

You need to take a law class or read more about how people become legal in this country. When I grew up at least 3 of the housekeepers we had became legal while living here, but were illegal before that...so how does that work in your legal/illegal distinction?

reply to post by killartofu


Jesus Christ , this is just terrible stuff , i can't beleive you actually typed those words.

Humanity is lost , poor American , so young , so ignorant.

Joe and Jose

You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families Have two parents, two children, and live in California...

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Ready? Now pay attention...

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 Per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for His family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now Has $24,031.00.

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and Local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00...

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or Welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per Year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal Still has $ 31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after School ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, But Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Do you get it, now?

If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens...
YOU are part of the problem!

It's way PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!

BUT, IT'S NOT TOO LATE YET!

SO, PASS THIS ALONG.

reply to post by Blazer


Nice chain email.

Like I said in the post which uses this chain email as the basis for an opinion, find me an illegal that gets paid 15 dollars a hour and I'll send you my left leg.

More on the better life that illegal immigrants face in the US

National poverty center

Findings

• The low-skilled, low-wage workforce is increasingly Hispanic, driven mainly by the large influx of immigrants with low levels of educational attainment. In 1980, roughly 14 percent of male workers who were high school dropouts were Hispanic. By 2000, 44 percent were Hispanic.

• The wage gap among Hispanics and whites has increased dramatically in the last 20 years. Wage gaps between whites and blacks, and whites and Asians, have changed little.

• The large influx of immigrants between 1980 and 2000 lowered wages for the typical male worker by about 3 percent.

• The “typical” Hispanic in America looks different today than in the past. Today, the typical Hispanic is increasingly more likely to have dropped out of high school and is earning lower wages.

www.npc.umich.edu...

Importing poverty in the US at the expenses of tax payers

The cost of illegal immigrants to the American taxpayer, up to 2006, The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. V

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for welfare social services by the American taxpayers.

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our southern border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from terrorist countries.

12. The National Policy Institute, “estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.”

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.

14. “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.”

kevincolby.com...







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u know what!!! im writing in caps bc i want this to be noticed. im an american been here my whole life and im sick of immigrants legal or not! illegal mexicans bring gangs, drugs, weapons and stress for the american. i dont care what u have to say about a better life! i want a better life without the things that these illegals bring and to say that they work jobs we dont want to is bull# i have a 2 yr old and have been layed off for 8 months ive tried everything and here in michigan it's very hard to find a job and theres mexicans everywhere and i dont kno if there legal or not but ill tell u what theres approx 100,000 of them jus in detroit alone and i can bet half of them are illegal not!!!! to mention that dearborn, michigan has the highest population of arabs anywhere in america!!!! from michigan im telling all of u that this needs to stop!!!! im sick of going to the gas station and having to yell "yella" which means hurry up in arabic bc there sitting on the ground praying while theres 7 customers waiting in line who need to go to work or run errands etc. sick and fricking tired of all these foreigners and dont even start to tell me about how america was founded on foreigners or immigrants bc i speak english these ppl dont! and cant even drive a car for that matter.

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Originally posted by WXBackdoor
reply to post by killartofu

 

Jesus Christ , this is just terrible stuff , i can't beleive you actually typed those words.

Humanity is lost , poor American , so young , so ignorant.

lol first of all you dont know me.
second i LIVE IN THIS POO!
i know what im talking about go to sana ana then check out huntington beach

i have friends that are mexican that dont like illegals just as much as me and they are who i talk to about this. they agree with me so can just QQ a lil more cause i love my country and dont wanna see it end up the way mexico did. "poor American" so i can assume your not from here or even live here? prolly have no clue what the problem is. look at CA economy its literally about to freaking fall about , and spending money on illegals is the last thing we need to be doing.!

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Find me an American willing to work for 7.25 an Hour X 10-12 hours + a Part time Job.

Immigrant work two jobs and still don't have enough money to afford all the luxuries you spoiled ungrateful Americans have.

reply to post by killartofu


You are just quoting the Xenophobic propaganda you like to eat.

I have lived and worked on 2 border states , and i have seen it all with my own eyes , and to be honest makes me sick that you people are blowing everything out of proportion to enforce your dirty agendas.

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reply to post by Blazer


Stop with the moronic chain emails.

There is a whole thread about this stupid chain email that has NO FACTS or source of proof to it.


Chain emails...that is what passes as a good source of facts here on ATS...great.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
There will be no mass deportation...that is just never going to happen...I suggest you learn to live with it. There will be some form of amnesty in the near future...so why don't you just get used to having a lot more brown skinned fellow Americans.

The more you spew the more credibility you lose.

Brown-skinned Americans? Looking for a racist angle? Well here's an announcement you can get behind:

All persons, regardless of race, ethnicity, hardship, country of origin, political affiliations, age, and gender, that are in the United States without proper documentation are committing a felony and should they not remove themselves willingly, will be removed by the proper authorities.

Your problem is that you don't like the current Federal Laws. My point is, and always has been, that these ARE our current laws and should be ENFORCED until the law is changed or amended to reflect something different.

If you don't pay taxes, and the IRS finds you, do you think that you can say: "Well, I've had a better life than I would have if I paid taxes", and in return they would respond: "You're right. We see how your life has been improved by breaking the current tax laws and therefore you will face no penalty."

Of course not.

The above is NO different than someone being here illegally and saying -- "Well, I have a better life here than I would have at home, so I should be allowed to stay."

It is the same argument.

Both are crimes.
Both involve people looking for a better life.
Both are federal offenses.

As it stands now, one of you will go to jail and one of you will be released.
Which side do you think you are on? And how is that fair?

Regarding amnesty, you find yourself in an uninformed area. We have tried amnesty. Nobody took advantage of it. It has been tried several times, and has failed several times.

Lastly, please provide a source for your statement that amnesty will occur soon and no mass deportation will take place. Otherwise, it is nothing more than your opinion, not fact.

Originally posted by WXBackdoor
Find me an American willing to work for 7.25 an Hour X 10-12 hours + a Part time Job.

Immigrant work two jobs and still don't have enough money to afford all the luxuries you spoiled ungrateful Americans have.

I'll raise my hand!

I worked three jobs to put myself through college. KFC, Caldor, and telemarketing. I made minimum wage (I believe at the time it was $5.25 / hour) at both KFC and Caldor. Telemarketing only paid me on commission and the hours DID NOT justify the wages.

Combined, I worked more than 50 hours per week and did telemarketing on the weekends. (I don't remember the hours -- maybe only 6 - 8 per weekend).

Neither job would give me more than 25 hours per week, lest they had to provide me with benefits. This is going back some time, but that's exactly how it was. I was commuting all over the state between home, work, and school. I racked up more than 115,000 miles on my car in less than 2 years.

So, yeah, there are those of us willing to work for what we want.

reply to post by lpowell0627


One thing is College and another thing is raising a family of three (some single-parents).

reply to post by lpowell0627


Amnesty has been given to illegals six times since 1986.

Each time citizens complained but this didn't do any good.

Chances are that it will happen again.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


You know, like a poster said before me, I really do object to you bringing skin tone into the topic. Sadly, where there are a propensity of brown skinned illegals in this country, they all have to go home.

Would it matter to you that I think Sven, a pasty white illegal from and Icelandic country be made to go home as well?

What it is, is that you want brown skinned illegals to get special treatment in the whole shebang.

Illegals are illegals......no matter where they come from!

Originally posted by SpectreDC

Please tell me this is a joke.

Please, please, PLEASE tell me this is a joke.

It's not, I've heard everything from "We need to invade Mexico" to "Put everyone in a FEMA camp". People even lash out at those who oppose such measures for the sheer lack of humanity inherent in them. What happens if people die? Well, they don'c are right? They are just dirty illegals. Who gives a damn about a dirty illegal?

As for the logistics, first you've got to find em all. That costs money. The tip suggestion was just looney. Do you know how many people call in fake tips to get money? I bet they would have a field day with that program. I think we should just go East German style while we are at it.

Now lets talk about housing em all. That's gonna cost quite a bit, then you have to feed em. Then you are thinking you can just go dump them all in Mexico. Get real, Mexico is not going to take em and the rest of the world scream at you for daring to pull something like that. Mexico will completely shut down the border and prevent their entry. So what's left? Stuffing them in and crates and dumping them out over Mexico?

I find it funny ATS'ers were screaming bloody murder over the FEMA camps and now they are all about stuffing people in them. Oh you steaming hypocrites, soon you will be stuffed in them too.

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Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by SpectreDC


I find it funny ATS'ers were screaming bloody murder over the FEMA camps and now they are all about stuffing people in them. Oh you steaming hypocrites, soon you will be stuffed in them too.

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[edit on 15-5-2010 by WXBackdoor]

Originally posted by WXBackdoor
Find me an American willing to work for 7.25 an Hour X 10-12 hours + a Part time Job.

Immigrant work two jobs and still don't have enough money to afford all the luxuries you spoiled ungrateful Americans have.

reply to post by killartofu

 

makes me sick that you people are blowing everything out of proportion to enforce your dirty agendas.

[edit on 15-5-2010 by WXBackdoor]

i have a few friends that do work 2 jobs and not much above min wage. its clear that you dont understand the problem scroll up and look how much money is being spent on illegals...and "your dirty agendas"....are you freaking kidding me if my "DIRTY AGENDA" is keep my country SAFE AND CLEAN then yeah i have a "dirty agenda" you need to do some research i doubt anyone who reads the fact could say there is nothing wrong. AND LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR i dont care about immigration i date a viet woman who's parents came over legally. Immigrants are what makes america AWESOME! on the other hand if your not contributing then you have no biz here. we all have to work to keep it going to many weak links in the chain and its gonna break.