"They come here for a better life" and "Jobs Americans Won't Do"

Alas, people and their petty differences...

Here's the thing, there isn't one grain of sand on this Earth that has the right to be "claimed" by anyone. Where is it written that the Earth is a piece of property, more so, how can any human, or ethnicity for that matter, consider it "just" to stake a claim to something that isn't and never will be their property?

This is where "people" get confused and caught up in their minuscule existence in this vast Universe. The why and how of our existence is comprised of many different origins based on one's belief. None the less, Earth was here long before you and chances are it will be here long after you.

Ownership of property (land or otherwise) is an illusion. I am 99.9% positive you won't be taking it with you when you "go". If that was the case, there wouldn't be much of an Earth left as everyone would have taken their "little piece" with them.

This precious commodity that is our Earth, could be gone in the blink of an eye. Cherish it, and everything in it and on it, your time to do so is but a drop in the bucket.

reply to post by Exuberant1

Playing the race card?

It was only a matter of time before you pulled that out.


*Again with the 'logistical nightmare'.... You may want it to be so, but it is not. It might be to you though, but that is okay.

Oh...I'm sorry...were you talking about illegal white Canadians???

Don't kid yourself...we know who you are talking about...just like we know who the Az law is targeting.

But if that is all the response you have...fine.

You can't rely on the American public for paid tips...like it or not the American public is pretty stupid. And dangling money in front of them for information on "illegals" might be the dumbest idea I've heard on this topic.

if the jobs are there for the taking, then why don't the unemployed u.s citizens then take them.
If you know there are illegals, then report them.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Exuberant1

 

Oh...I'm sorry...were you talking about illegal white Canadians???

It is obvious that I am referring to people who are here illegally.





Are you going to pretend I'm racist now?

Originally posted by UberL33t
Alas, people and their petty differences...

Here's the thing, there isn't one grain of sand on this Earth that has the right to be "claimed" by anyone. Where is it written that the Earth is a piece of property, more so, how can any human, or ethnicity for that matter, consider it "just" to stake a claim to something that isn't and never will be their property?

This is where "people" get confused and caught up in their minuscule existence in this vast Universe. The why and how of our existence is comprised of many different origins based on one's belief. None the less, Earth was here long before you and chances are it will be here long after you.

Ownership of property (land or otherwise) is an illusion. I am 99.9% positive you won't be taking it with you when you "go". If that was the case, there wouldn't be much of an Earth left as everyone would have taken their "little piece" with them.

This precious commodity that is our Earth, could be gone in the blink of an eye. Cherish it, and everything in it and on it, your time to do so is but a drop in the bucket.

So you would have no problem with me coming to your home and taking it over?

Originally posted by Exuberant1
All of the illegals should be rounded up and held in FEMA camps until we can ship them to their nation of origin (who will receive a bill).

Please tell me this is a joke.

Please, please, PLEASE tell me this is a joke.

reply to post by Exuberant1

It is obvious that I am referring to people who are here illegally.

Ok...well let's start on the northern border first. Once we get that locked down 100% where no one can get through...we will then work on the southern border.

Does that work with you?

Originally posted by redgy
if the jobs are there for the taking, then why don't the unemployed u.s citizens then take them.
If you know there are illegals, then report them.

You don't think people have tried that already? If that worked i don't think we would be in this situation...

reply to post by UberL33t


Have you ever seen, "Lord of the Flies?"

Rules have to be set in place for an organized populace to survive.

If you don't like the rules of any particular country. Buy yourself and island some place, where you can own all the grains of sand, or soil you want, or not! How long do you think it would take for you to set up some sort of boundaries for yourself, if you weren't the only person there?

You would quickly decide that your work goes to whom you see as a benefit for, or are you going to fish for everyone, even those who suck up your bounty with no return?

Last week, I went to a Las Vegas Home Depot to see if there were any workers who wanted to make the going rate of $10/hour. Among the illegal Mexicans I saw white guys. So much for Americans not wanting those jobs. White Americans were sitting right there with the Mexicans hoping someone would come pick them up. When I was in high school, I did a job description manual for a tortilla company. Everyone who worked there at every level was a Mexican. I decided I'd ask for a job. They made it seem like it was the most absurd idea in the world. As if I couldn't stand on the line with the tortillas. Bottom line is, businesses only want to hire Mexicans who speak Spanish. White guys like myself don't have a chance. If I want to work for the government, I need to be bilingual. That doesn't mean English and French; it means English and Spanish. People working for the government have no degrees. The only skill they have is speaking Spanish. They'll never get fired. They're set for life with retirement and health benefits. And the only people they want to help are other Mexicans. Those people you see marching are legal Mexican-American citizens taking sick days from their bilingual jobs. They sure know how to work the system, don't they?

[edit on 5/15/2010 by Nemesis0123]

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Exuberant1

 

Ok...well let's start on the northern border first. Once we get that locked down 100% where no one can get through...we will then work on the southern border.

It makes more sense to deport the illegals who are already here.

I know you don't like the idea, but that is okay.

Securing the borders to a good idea.

A secure Northern Border will help keep all of those illegal Canadians out after we deport them. There are legal ways for the Canadians to immigrate.

reply to post by azzllin


People started to get upset about the problem before the economy tanked.
Americans have been waiting patiently for the government to do something about it, which it hasn't. This also isn't the first time that AZ has passed an anti-illegal immigration bill. And they did this before the Great Recession.
It is just that Americans are sick of nothing being done, so the fervor is getting louder.
This is probably the only issue I have ever seen where the Gov't on every level is keeping completely mum. It is kind of strange really.

But AZ passed a law 5 or 6 years ago that was anti-illegal immigration that raised a huge fuss, I can't remember what it is and I can't find it. I think it was in regards to voting.

reply to post by Exuberant1


You must be one of those people who think that bailing water out of a sinking ship with a leak that is letting in more water than is bailed out is a good idea.

The mentally disabled are so cute sometimes.

reply to post by Prove_It_NOW


I agree, except I have never once had an Immigrant, legal or otherwise, Install my cable, answer a tech phone call, or seen one install Hvac( excluding the Russian guy that I worked with). I did commercial electrical installation in Southern Colorado for 3 year, did tech support for a little over 1, and sold cars for 3 I gotta say, painting and roofing are the predominant "Immigrant Employers here. Which neither of those are jobs that pay badly, they are simply jobs that most 17 year old kids are to damned lazy to do. Until now that is, recently people have realized that a crappy job is better then no job.

reply to post by Exuberant1


You are dodging...it's ok...I understand.

It is clear what your intention is...it is clear what most people who want witch hunts for illegal immigrants intentions are.

Some are more upfront with it...some like you try to hide it.


It doesn't matter...because your idea will never be implemented. I know that might be hard for you to deal with...but you are just going to have to.

reply to post by Blanca Rose

You would quickly decide that your work goes to whom you see as a benefit

Therein lies the issue with a hierarchy. I understand their has to be a form of governance. Even in the animal kingdom there are hierarchies, the difference is, these are for survival of the species, not for personal gain. This is where our species has missed the mark IMO. We have become so enveloped in capitalism and thus have become a species that would rob his/her Mother to get ahead. Instead of working to better the species we're focused on filling our pockets.

reply to post by UberL33t


Well, yes, that is the way it is. If I go fishing for you to eat fish, what are you going to supplement the meal with?

Like it or not, that is the way it is, so, yes, everybody wants and deserves a peice of the pie, by following rules.

what i hate is that if your wanting all illegals out of this country, people assume your a racist, and thats crap. I also think it's a slap in the face to all the people who have and are waiting years to become legal, and all an illegal has to do is cross the border and "Boom" job,benefits and a home in less than a month. To defend an illegal and what they are doing is un American and you yourself deserve to be deported for such crap.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
All of the illegals should be rounded up and held in FEMA camps until we can ship them to their nation of origin (who will receive a bill).

No matter how good you think your plan is, it just isn't going to happen. First off you can't send a bill to a sovereign nation for actions that you have taken even if it involves their citizens.

Second if history is any indicator the next step is amnesty. Amnesty has been given on six occasions since 1986. Everytime US citizens complained. Each and every time their demands went unacknowledged.

Just accept the fact that short of a revolution of sorts with real numbers behind it your will will not be done.

if a job has a requirement for speaking spanish, then not knowing how to speak spanish won't get you a job in the first place, find work elsewhere.

illegals still need someone in tptb to find them first, before anything can be done about them. how can they be found if no one reports them, and how can they be stopped from crossing borders without enough control.