Christians are about to be abducted.

reply to post by Loken68

Actually I can't take your post as a attack but as a oppurtunity to enlighnten you. The word rarture is in the Bible.

No, it is not in the bible, neither is the word "Rapture." The term was invented in 1847 by John Nelson Darby. And no matter how many times you flip through the pages, it is not in there. Darby got the idea from 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 - "Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed - in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed." Here is my take. The NASA Blue Beam Project will be begun by the projection of a giant figure of Jesus in the sky. Then the Droconian ships will descend to collect all of the Christians and take them to "Heaven."

Christians are fooled into thinking a "saviour" is coming to save them and take them to a place their "Father" has prepared for them. In the Old Testament ‘heaven’ is translated from other words only five times in the following verses:
Psalms 68:4 it is translated from the Hebrew, arabah, "the desert"
77:18 the word is galgal, Hebrew for "wheel" or "whirlwind"
89:6 & 37 where it is translated from the word shachaq, Hebrew for "powder" or "thin vapor".
Isaiah 5:30 heaven is translated from ariyph, Hebrew for "the sky"

The New Testament defines ‘heaven’ from the Greek word ‘ouranos’ meaning ‘the sky’ in all but 7 instances :
Philippians 2:10 Greek epouranos, "above the sky, celestial"
Revelation 8:13, 14:6, 19:1, 11, 14, and 17 from the Greek word mesouranema, meaning "mid-sky"

I have asked a few Christians to describe for me what they thought Heaven would be like, and got different answers, but mostly this is it: "a city of gold and precious jewels, where God sits on a throne, with Jesus at his side, and all good Christians spend their day in "worship" (means 'work') of God." Sounds a lot like a slave labor camp to me. A few years ago I suffered a heart attack and died, so to speak. I saw none of that, in fact, what I was the most beautiful nature scene I ever saw, and all my friends and family were there. Sadly, I had to come back here to this hell hole, but only for a time.

Christians, read the Book! Read other books too, the Devil didn't write them to fool you!
No body is coming to save you, that is up to you alone. And lastly, The Creator does not get involved in the affairs of mankind, and what you think of as God is one or more ET Beings.

Maybe it will happen on a Wednesday night - when only the REALLY religious go to church, and churches everywhere, full of people - will just disappear into another dimension as the crosses over the alters open up a portal to another universe, and the churches matter turns inside out into a vacuole and then just pop as they close off, and it all disappears.

Originally posted by Loken68
reply to post by autowrench

 

Sorry the dead sea scrolls are considered by most as tainted.

I would say also, that the popular King James Version of the Bible is also tainted, very tainted. Think about it, if you were the powerful church, and you wanted to control the people, and make them pay you for service, and fool them into giving their energy away....what better way that a book inspired by the one and only God? Trouble is, which God was it that inspired the book? There are many Gods, even in the Bible. Even though the bible contradicts this....

"There is no one holy like the Lord; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God" (1 Samuel 2:2).

"So that all the peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God and that there is no other" (1 Kings 8:60).


"I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me" (Isaiah 45:5).

"Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me" (Isaiah 46:9).

Therefore, one can see, there is no question about the Biblical "fact" that there is one, and only one God, not two or more "Gods." God says: "I am God, and there is no other."He speaks in the singular, as "I," saying that he is the only God, and there is no other being that is even like him. That's why God commands us, "You shall have no other Gods before me" (Exodus 20:3) clearly making a reference to the fact that there are other Gods to consider. It is all so confusing! In the Kabbala God is Baal. (I Kings 18:19) Canaanite God always called, "The Lord." To the Bilderbergers and Freeemasons the God is Molech. (I Kings 11:07) also called Moloch. The Hebrew God is Jehovah, (Exodus 6:03) and some scholars say Yahweh is A Reptilian, a Dragon, in fact. We know the man known as "Jesus" was a combination of several men of the time, and was never considered a God until the Christians made it so.

So, I have to ask all of the Christians in this thread. When these Gods show up, and there are many of them, all having a place in the Holy Scriptures, which one will you swear allegiance to? Which one is the one and only?

Most likely a Tuesday, which in Israel begins at sundown on a Monday night. It says He will raise us up on the 3rd day.

It is the mere fact of Believing in something that enables it to manifest in our lives.

The Rapture is ground-zero at any given event. Even if that means a heart-attack. I bet there is a coroner out there that pokes them and says, "this one just got Raptured".

As for the big Manifesting, the big event, the official "Rapture", as I see it someone on this planet is using the beliefs of the masses in a way that is mirroring those beliefs in an attempt to control them. Ironic as it may seem, in the World of Manifesting and the World of Manipulating there is 'Man' in the equation and so we have created "GOD"; it is what has created us that may be what we are about to be introduced to.

I believe all of the end-times prophesies will take place, for me I have a different path and I am manifesting something entirely different. I will not be Raptured and I pray that I won't be killed, because my ending is not unlike the ending of the masses who believed!

I want to be "left behind" thank you very much! Someone has to remain to rebuild Heaven on Earth! I serve for the Betterment of Mankind, not Corporations, not Religions, not false-Lords.

OK, enough of me! LOL Let me try to think in terms of the OP and this thread.

If there were to be an Abduction, a mass taking of people, in order to bring about the 'end product' we call "Heaven on Earth" or to bring about an acceptance of something outside of our (Society's) views on ET allowing them to safely present themselves without us exploiting them, then here is where I can see it can happen.

Within Christianity a particular group would have to be selected, a faction of Christianity that could represent "Truth". Some of these factions are quite large and it would take an enormous effort on the part of the Abductor to pull this off. So choosing which group would be crucial.

One group does stand out in my opinion and that is the JWs (Jehovah Witnesses). Why? Well because within that group they all believe that only 144,000 can go into the Kingdom of Christ. They believe these to be men who uphold the teachings of the church, and they believe these men to be virgins as well! (virginity is subjective in my thoughts).

There you go, problem solved! The number of Abductees are within reason, the actual taking of those selected would not be random, and the force that comes with taking them will encapsulate the JW into an all-out Revelation of Spirit (if you know what I mean; Jubilation), because they were the chosen faction of Christianity just as they had always believed.

The end results of this of course would be the Return of Christ and our Kingdoms under the league of one Ruler (you-know-who) in the ultimate clash for our Salvation! Woe to the Evil for they shall all fail (or something or other). Rejoice, rejoice we are now Ruled under One, and the ET get to be by the side of that One!

As for the Benevolence or the Malevolence of such ET that could go to such lengths so they can exist here on Earth leads one down another path. Planted stories thousands of years ago so that they can now 'join in' seems unlikely, so my guess if this is a staged event for something other than the real Return of Christ, then I am pretty sure that it will backfire because we believe in such a way and Manifesting is such a powerful tool that the Real Christ will Return! So don't take a side just yet, unless of course you were at ground-zero of any given event, because you have already been Raptured.

One facet to all of this that I have thought many times over would be who would represent Christ in a way that would buckle the knees of the entire World, all religions, all faiths, and all creeds of people. There is only one person I know that could fit that bill, Michael Jackson. Not only was he raised as a JW by his mom, he is a virgin, and there is not a single living person that does not know who he is by just his face alone! Everyone accepts that Michael is dead (well some of us), and if he should show himself, face the World, and speak to the World about the messages of which he always spoke of, I think we would have found our Christ because everyone would see this as a Resurrection. There is no way that some blonde-haired handsome anglo dude in white robes could present himself in a way that represents a Resurrection unless we first see him die. We all saw Michael die in one sense or another. Anyone can look good in long blonde-hair, but how many look like Michael? ummmmm? Makes you wonder!

Even Islam, Hinduism, Satanism, even Nothingism knows who Michael is and they all see him as deceased.

OK, I am preaching, rambling, and probably very creative! LOL

Beware the Greys because they are Demons! They are, because we believe Demons exist and there are no other candidates. We should not deny anyone their beliefs because ironically they all have the same ending to the Story, "Heaven on Earth".

Pastor Arnold Murray once in a lecture said in a cross-referenced study of the bible with a Strongs Concordance, said that the rapture is not physical, but mental, meaning that many will be raptured by lucifer incarnate in man, raptured by his powers and deceived. I trust Arny he's versed in four ancient languages and goes line by line and explains it according to the original language it was written. Showing the multiple meanings, not just a NIV error filled explanation.

That's why God commands us, "You shall have no other Gods before me" (Exodus 20:3) clearly making a reference to the fact that there are other Gods to consider.

Um, have you even considered the Hebrew??? Hebrew used several words for "God" (an in the Lord God Almighty, the living God) and "gods" (small "G", signifying pagan false gods). In English we don't have several words for God, so we either capitalize the "G", or leave it in the lower-case "g" to signify a false god.

God Almighty was making this commandment to people who BELIEVED there to be multiple Gods, which there are none. The Lord is the only God there is, and He is One.

One group does stand out in my opinion and that is the JWs (Jehovah Witnesses). Why? Well because within that group they all believe that only 144,000 can go into the Kingdom of Christ.

On this subject, I once had a fried who was a math whiz, and he did some calculations for me.
By the dimensions given, Heaven is roughly the size of the contiguous United States, maybe a little smaller. That is pretty small compared to the immense size of the universe. But considering that most people will be going to Hell anyway, and Christians are the minority, then Heaven doesn't need to be that big. The Bible states that this city is square in shape, and surrounded by a large wall, 144 cubits high (roughly 216 feet), with 3 gates on each of the four walls, for a total of 12 gates. Of course these gates are made of pearls, with angels stationed at each one. Will the inhabitants of Heaven have a key or a pass code to this gated community? Will they be able to come and go as they please? I'm not really sure why Heaven would need a large wall surrounding it. This must be the first line of defence to keep sinners out, or to keep Christians in.

The city of Heaven, and the streets thereof are described as being made of pure gold, like unto clear glass. The wall surrounding Heaven is described as being made of 12 different precious stones, layered on top of each other. If that is the case, then each layer would be about 18 feet thick. Heaven is a place built for a King and his subjects.

Anyway, using these dimensions and figuring the configuration of Heaven, 144,000 people would fill it up completely. Actually, in Ancient times humans were a lot closer to God than now days, so it figures that Heaven would be quite full a very long time ago, and modern Christians are wasting their time trying to get there. After Christians get there, then what? How are they going to spend eternity in the most perfect place in the universe? What are they going to do to occupy their time? Will they have jobs? Hobbies? What about pets? Eternity is a long, long, long time. Just what the hell are you going to do when you get there? Christians claim that sin cannot enter Heaven. This is one reason you must be cleansed of sin in order to get there. If sin cannot enter Heaven, then how did Satan sin against God, and get himself thrown out? I'm assuming Lucifer had free will, and then used his free will to try and overthrow God. If Satan was able to commit such an atrocity in Heaven, then couldn't that happen again? What about man's free will? Will man have free will, or will they be like robots, which God did not want to create according to most Christians? Couldn't some holier than thou Christian size up God and think to himself, "you know what, I think I can take him...?" Maybe God learned his lesson, and no longer allows beings in whom he already knows.

The book of Revelation says that there is going to be a great war there (Rev. 12:7). How can a war happen in such a perfect place? Are Christians going to required to take up arms to help protect their lord and saviour? Wouldn't this war be kind of one sided? It's supposed to the most powerful, omnipotent being in the whole universe against Satan and his minions. Couldn't God prevent this thing from happening before it even got started? But then I guess a war would finally decide who is the real God anyway, wouldn't it?

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Yes, I have considered Hebrew, but the Torah is written in Hebrew, the Bible was first written in Greek. The origin of "Lord" is Old English hlaford, from hlafweard, it means, "bread-keeper," from a Germanic base word.

Lord is a title with various meanings. It can denote a prince or a feudal superior (especially a feudal tenant who holds directly from the king, i.e., a baron). The title today is mostly used in connection with the peerage of the United Kingdom or its predecessor countries, although some users of the title do not themselves hold peerages, and use it 'by courtesy'. The title may also be used in conjunction with others to denote a superior holder of an otherwise generic title, in such combinations as "Lord Mayor" or "Lord Chief Justice". The title is primarily taken by men, while women will usually take the title 'lady'. However, this is not universal, as the Lord of Mann and female Lord Mayors are examples of women who are styled 'lord'.

In religious contexts Lord can also refer to various different gods or deities. The earliest uses of Lord in the English language in a religious context were by English Bible translators such as Bede. This reflected the Jewish practice of substituting the spoken Hebrew word 'Adonai' (which means 'My Lord') for YHWH when read aloud.

en.wikipedia.org...

You all can have a Lord if you wish, and a Master too, for me, I have none of these. I am the Master of self, and I work for no Lord.

So long as it takes the rest of the monotheists, I think this is a good thing for the rest of us.

No offense intended, and I sincerely wish you "good luck", where ever it is you go.

Originally posted by autowrench
And lastly, The Creator does not get involved in the affairs of mankind, and what you think of as God is one or more ET Beings.

This is true.
The actual creator doesn't get involved in the affairs of just about ANYONE.

Now you can feel the presence of the creator, it is a glorious thing, but don't expect a level of communication you are used to.

It won't happen.

It doesn't answer prayers, it doesn't need your faith, and is a mystery to many far above us.

The ones in the "above" position are the ones most people recognize as God(s) that require or demand worship.

Regardless, something major for all of mankind is on the horizon.

Originally posted by mamabeth
I have been
studying the jewish roots of the christian faith.
When God was proving His power to the egyptians,
through the 10 plagues.The hebrew slaves lived through
those plagues,but they were supernaturally protected.

Not to attempt to belittle your beliefs or that of your church but, miracles aside, there is no evidence of a mass Jewish exodus, a multitude of Hebrew only slaves wandering around for ages, or that story as told in the bible even took place.

Many Israeli scholars have acknowledged that fact, but say that they are hushed into silence for fear of damaging the belief in a divinely established right to create Israel.

Still...there is no evidence.

- Lee

reply to post by autowrench


I wish I could answer that for you, it sounds like a spaceship to me. If there is a war "there" likely it landed where-ever this Story says it should; perhaps the Middle East? I would say so.

Why only 144,000? Why Men? Why Virgins? I guess they better hire some good script writers because that is a perplexing problem.

I see them as being Raptured because their purpose is to stand as an Army of God while the Christ engages the AC (who has the False Prophet, the Mahdi, and the 15 warriors of the Mahdi at his side).

It is such a fascinating subject!

all paths lead to God! I think Heaven and Hell are archetypal symbols representing the higher and lower levels of the astral realm. I believe it was Jesus' purpose to teach us love and light to raise our vibrations to reach the higher levels of the astral realm and then Christianity was created to lower that same vibration and keep the masses from becoming too powerful.

Jesus told his disciples that he spoke to them only in parables so maybe when Jesus said the only path to God in Heaven is through me, he didn't literally mean him, but what he represented which was a vessel of higher vibrational love and light.

Christianity functions through fear and has been since it's inception. Why do Christian's believe their God is the one true God and the only way to Him is through Jesus? faith? self-righteousness? or is it a fear of eternal damnation?

There was an event in which thousands of Jews dissapeared, it was called the holocaust.

reply to post by autowrench

Yes, I have considered Hebrew, but the Torah is written in Hebrew, the Bible was first written in Greek. The origin of "Lord" is Old English hlaford, from hlafweard, it means, "bread-keeper," from a Germanic base word.

Ummmm, I quoted your erroneous claim that Exodus 20:3 affirms that there are multiple "Gods". (Big G)

Exodus 20:3 IS in the Torah, that's why I asked you if you have ever considered looking at the Hebrew for that verse, since in the Hebrew language they use different words for the Lord God than they do for pagan false gods.





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OP, you forgot to list what key role of MANY others who will be involved in this End time madness!!

Like for instance, will the purple martians make a special pact with Frankenstein or Count Dracula on the final day of earth?

I also heard that Gilligan from Gilligan Island will rise from the dead to play a star role in the end time events. Will he and the Werewolf join forces, or will the pink aliens and reptiles overcome them?

I heard that the Squirrel people will win out in the end. Then the special nuts will fall from heaven like a hail storm and wipe out all those who are NOT squirrels!!

Please come forward with ANY other info so that we can form an INTELLIGENT understanding of this event!!



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Hey y`all. It honestly bums me out that there are too many things that have been said that I would like to respond to. This has been a neat thread for me. Makes me wish 2 things, that I had gotten to this thread sooner, and that I had the desire and time to return to the same thread again and again. You see, it`s a little bit more of a commitment when you only have 1 "window/tab", the tiny screen of your phone! If I get myself a laptop, I just may have to change my ways... While I believe "nobody knows" when it comes to the EndTimes, or even when it comes to what is the right thing to believe or not believe, I do believe that it`s important to believe in something. I just notice a bitterness in those who don`t believe in anything in regards to spirituality. I guess thats a cause & effect thing that results from not having anything to look forward to, in life or in an afterlife. It just makes me curious when people post things like, "sure let them take away all the christians, the world would be so much better, lol!" Don`t they realize that not all christians are the same? And don`t they know how many christians volunteer to help the needy? I realize that a lot of churches you see are run by dishonest, greedy people who use and trick their congregations, and the charity work they do could be a lot more if the pastor didn`t drive a cadillac and cover himself and his wife in jewelry and fine clothing, and they often use these events to attract more people to donate more money, but there are many people doing the actual work in the soup kitchens and such (I do not attend a church so i dont know exactly how it all works) whos heart is in the right place. You hear the occassional horror story about some corrupt church, but you don`t hear the good that is done by believers every day. Yes, religion has been used by wicked people, but to say the world would be better without all jews, muslims & christians


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is just as ignorant as racism. That`s like me saying the world would be better if all black people dissapeared, just because I happened to get robbed (true story) by 3 different black people in the last 3 months. It`s following a stereotype. There are some Christians out there who, believe it or not, don`t have the arrogance to believe that they have a complete understanding of their religion. For me, it`s a learning process everyday. For me, the Bible was written and compiled by men and like other writtings mentioned, like the Apocrypha, it has a lot you can learn from it. It also has many interpretations and I cannot say for sure how it is supposed to be interpreted. I`m open to reading all kinds of things, just 2 days ago, someone gave me a book on Wicca. What the heck, it`s not gonna hurt me to read it, and like everything else, take from it what I can use. I know what kind of a christian you`re talking about. I`ve had em sittin next to me tryin to convince me to be a christian when I already told him i was one. But I guess he wasn`t convinced that I was "christian" enough, so he kept on goin on about the usual stuff that makes no sense but sounds so dramatic or romantic to some people that it draws them in. For me and I think about 90% of the rest of us non-fanatical christians, it just repells you worse than a blast of mace to the face. I guess most would say I`m not a "real" christian since I don`t condemn all non believers to hell and all that nonsense. But to me, me and my kind are the ONLY real christians left. And say what you want about the bible, but there`s one thing it prophesized about that you cannot deny has come true: as the bible predicted, most every person proclaiming themselves to be a christian, are not even living their lives according to their so-called "beliefs". So, in reality, they are not even true christians, the ones you complain about. So if you look around today and see churches calling themselves christian and doing very unchristian things, dont be shocked, this is to be expected. It was written...


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Am I a true christian? I don`t know. How could I know if I`m doin everything right? I wouldn`t try to convince anyone to follow me or my particular path. But to think for yourself and not be led by temptations. I am FAR from perfect. Yep, I believe we are all sinners. We just have to learn to forgive ourselves and eachother because whatever has been done to us, we could`ve just as easily done to someone else given the right (or wrong) set of circumstance. See, nobody understands circumstance. Watch the movie Trading Places with eddie murphy & dan akroyd. The people who try to attack christianity by attacking the bible because it contradicts itself don`t realize that The Bible should be called "The Bibles" because it is a collection or compilation of "books" or writings by different people during vastly different time frames. And another reminder, it was written by MEN. not god. And if you are reading it in any language besides the language it was originally written in, then you are also dealing with translational errors. I`m sorry but there is no definite "cheat book" to follow in order to get to heaven or achieve ascendancy or nirvana, or enlightenment or whatever ultimate spiritual goal it is you are seeking ...you have to follow your heart and listen to your consciense(sp?) in order to know what`s right and wrong. And just because I happen to follow "the christian path", doesn`t mean you have to. There are many paths to choose from so keep an open mind because a lot of them lead to the same place. My path happens to give me tolerance and understanding of others` beliefs, forgiveness to those who have wronged me, a willingness to spread love to those I should happen to encounter in life and to help those in need in any way i can. Do I slip & stumble off the path? Often. Do I eventually pick myself up again & keep going? Every time.


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most everything in the OP is just another perspective on a possibility. not a stack of evidence supporting the view.

to add, the instance where Jesus was led into the forest by the Devil explains not an abduction, but Jesus' attempt at creating the Philosophers' Stone