The Ice-Age UFO in Estonia

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by cripmeister
Edit to add: It struck me that the title of this thread is wrong. It's not a UFO, it's buried under ground.

True. The title is something catchy for Estonians searching Google. Actually its a UBO, Unidentified Buried Object - but who the hell would Google that?

Archeologists? Kidding aside, I agree with you. Hopefully people searching this story will end up here. Here they can be part of a balanced discussion that also questions this legend.

this is that guy from 6 miles away. i was there early this morning. I didn't have the option to lurk around for long - it was 6 am and a guy with a van lurking around in a residential area where 'well off' people live.. doesn't sound too good

It just was ordinary - nothing stood out. No strange vibes, no visual differences compared to other gardens in that street/area.

Sry for posting under a different user. Somehow ATS didn't send me my password so i had to make a new account with a different e-mail address.

If you want to make a collection then you should aim for 200K$

Originally posted by belimoth
Some more updates (sorry if these have been posted already).

First is the scheme of the objects as drawn by the leading Russian investigator. Sorry for the utterly crappy quality, this is extracted from a PDF document and then resized to 150%.



If I read this scheme correctly, then the bottom contours designate the building, the top border marks the estate border. I could be wrong though. It would make sense to seek out a paper copy of this magazine or even dig around the archives for the report itself.

The latest photo of the estate itself:



If you want to view the photo in full size, click here.

[edit on 30-4-2010 by belimoth]

Hey all!! Just me $0.02:

The actual coordinates to the top of the house:

59 29' 46.08" N, 24 50' 11.37" E

The photo in your link was taken 28/04/09, the Google Earth sat photo was taken 21/04/08!! One year, 1 week difference. Look at the vehicle in both, look similar to you?
The other houses that are nearby in your photo also match the Google sat.
The area to the right rear of the house seems to show some disturbance (?) as is indicated in the .pdf drawing.

Anyway, S&F, great and very interesting thread. I really hope the ATSer who lives near by goes and gives it a look see.
Thanks,
Tom

Fascinating read!

I'm inclined to agree with Blaine though, in that it is a leftover piece of equipment or other man-made object. As much as I want to believe that it is extraterrestrial it just doesn't make sense that they would leave it alone if they truly suspected it.

Yes at the time there was quite a state of instability, and it might not have been a priority then, but surely post-USSR collapse there would have been renewed effort at recovering it.

Another possibility has been mentioned, wherein it already has been removed by means of underground excavation initiating at a different site. That's certainly plausible.

My main issue with it is their conclusion that it couldn't have been a man-made alloy. While I understand that several professionals examined it and claimed it un-manufacturable (I just made a new word!) by human means, for us to belief them means we have to assume they were experts in metallurgy and complex alloy production. Which, no offense intended, is not something that Russia was known for at the time.

Essentially, I'm fairly confident such an alloy could be reproduced by human hands. Now possibly not during that time period however, which can add more questions such as Government Experiments and the like.

However I'm not an expert, or even close, on such matters, so I would defer to an actual metallurgist or alloy-specialist if there is one available; it would be interesting to know if we can create a similar, or exact, combination of metals.

Wish I had the money to fly in. Screw the home owners, I'd knock on the door and say "Does this rag smell like chloroform?" and get digging! Nah...but it be funny, and arguably worth it to find out more.

Eagerly awaiting any updates. While I'm skeptical, I'm 1000% interested!

reply to post by allak2inud2


Hello allak...glad you got to go there and see for yourself. So nothing special?
But are saying that this is a "well-off" neighborhood and that house would go for $200K?? That seems a bit steep for that property and the comps that are in view!! (IMHO). That's more expensive than here in beautiful Abu Dhabi /sarc

Thanks,
Tom

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by palg1

 

Sorry, cant see it.

I google-mapped it and what I saw was...a street.

What are you seeing?

I don't know if you got your answer, but i believe i am seeing the same thing.

I can see a large ring in the map, you type in 'Tallinn, Estonia Hobekuuse 34' And a street called Hobekuuse tee comes up. And if you look just to the left and below of the number 36 you can see what appears to be a large ring shape on ground level spanning at least 3 properties.

However that would appear to not be the right address, if google maps are accurate.

[edit on 30-4-2010 by pazcat]

I know it's hard to believe but don't think that the US was the only country where the banks f'd people over with crazy loans and cardboard houses

The area is actually in one of the wealthiest counties in Estonia.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
I dont really see it being there either anymore. Thats why Im hoping for some Estonian to drive by that address just to report whats there or whether anything was dug up. A large-scale digging operation should have been noticed by neighbours.

Actually the address can be seen using google Earth. First search for the name of the town, and country in the search engine. After that enter the address and it will show you where it is. There are lots of what look like condos, and some open fields but other than that I don't see anything else.

There is a stadium close by named Le Coq Arena about 0.23 miles from the address. Although google Earth might be wrong in this case. If you enter the entire address, with the name of the city and country an error pops up saying google earth doesn't understand the address....

THEY ARE IN ON IT I TELL YOU!!!!..... Just joking, but aside the humor this is an interesting case.

(nvm....it was the wrong address...)

[edited to add comment]

[edit on 30-4-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


that A Le Coq arena is more like 10 miles away

Originally posted by spikey
Interesting.

This sounds VERY similar to the Siberian domes, that native reindeer herders have spoken about for generations. They are said to be made of an extremely hard alloy of some kind, that has a razor sharp edge, and is impossible to scratch let alone dent, if you stood there hitting it with a hammer and chisel.

They are in very remote and virtually inaccessible wilderness, and can only be found by the local tribesmen, who run their herds through areas where these things are said to be.

No one, even the tribesmen, know what they are, and how long they had been there, but they tell of thousands of years, at least.

Another connection to the Siberian domes, is that it was reported that people who sought shelter under or inside (there was a kind of hatch/port in the top), would become very ill if they spent too long near them, some had reportedly died of a strange sickness, after spending the night inside one.

Expeditions in the 70's went looking for them.

This object in Estonia, is in the right part of the world, and linked by the hardness and strange alloy, the size and shape, the illness that befalls those who get too close for too long.

Could be connected.

The only thing i have ever heard about the "domes" in Siberia is from the exact same story you read...
Can you give me your links where the herders have spoken about these domes for "generations" because i have not found a thing.
If the domes are real though i suspect the Tunguska event is linked with them.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Electric Universe:

Are the coordinates I posted a couple of posts above wrong?

59 29' 46.08" N, 24 50' 11.37" E

The houses look very similar, etc.
Let me know if I am barking up the wrong tree!!

Thanks,
Tom

maps.google.com...,24.836673&z=18&t=h&hl=en

i hope the link works

if you search from google earth the search 'tuule tee, tallinn, estonia' and right at the end of that street is our Hõbekuuse 34

reply to post by allak2inud2


Allak.. that location is directly across the intersection from the coordinates I've posted a above, twice! It seems to be the same house as in the photos!

What am I missing here??

Thanks,
Tom

reply to post by allak2inud2

Thanks for going out your way and visiting the site , that were cool of you.

We need to buy that property, and get digging . Only if i were rich.

A great thread Skyfloating . . one of the more interesting in a long time.

Seems there should be a reason for this object to remain buried. But what ?
If the Siberian Domes met with great disaster, maybe this object was meant
to warn others . . . of danger. A beacon of sorts.

It is not of this world.

Originally posted by belimoth
Then again, the location itself is pretty remote and I suppose that some stealthy dig operation could have been performed way back.

I checked on Google Earth and the location doesnt look that remote. In fact, its right in your capital city Tallinn.

Unlike some Western frauds, I would say that Igor Volke is more reminiscent of Stanton Friedman: older, wiser, rational and logical. This might sound like a huge compliment, but it is really the truth. Volke is still around and local enthusiasts can get in touch with him.

Good to know.

the people who live in Estonia could go check this site out for us hehe. I also saw a post on this thread of a guy living 6 miles away from the site?

I hope someone goes over there already. On Google Maps it appears to be a normal neighbourhood.

Originally posted by allak2inud2
this is that guy from 6 miles away. i was there early this morning. I didn't have the option to lurk around for long - it was 6 am and a guy with a van lurking around in a residential area where 'well off' people live.. doesn't sound too good

It just was ordinary - nothing stood out. No strange vibes, no visual differences compared to other gardens in that street/area.

Sry for posting under a different user. Somehow ATS didn't send me my password so i had to make a new account with a different e-mail address.

If you want to make a collection then you should aim for 200K$

Oh, there you are. Thanks for checking, ATS investigator.

So were people actually living in the house at that address?

There actually is an ATS-Thread on the Siberian Domes

And to add some more intrigue into this post, if one goes to
the Google Maps coordinates specified earlier and zooms out a bit,
one will notice a seemingly ordinary park called Merivalja Park
which is what I suspected would be found nearby.

If one does some digging in the local archives, I suspect there was
(but am NOT truly sure!) a former Soviet or Estonian army
barracks, fuel depot, radio tower or other military or
government-type communications installation or antennae
on that park!

I have found one tiny photo of a common disk-shaped antenna
which could be the basis for the possible shape and size of the
object found in news reports.

Disc shaped antennae of a large size would be an ideal platform
for a radio and/or radar beacon and this would need to be
POWERED by something that doesn't require refueling
i.e. possible nuclear battery inside the object which MIGHT
account for the sicknesses. (i.e. radiation-sickness)

If the object was a radar beacon, then the disc may STILL be
emitting microwaves (1mm or less) which could also account
for the localized heating/burning/melthing on skin and in the soil.

I have included some links in what I think the object could be.
My observations are mere conjecture at this point in time
but this should be investigated further if only for basic public
safety reasons of haing unmarked DNA damaging radar emissions
and or radioactive pollution nearby a residential area!

I should also note that if the object is as large as people say it is,
then it could be a beacon for space-based satellite reconnaissance
which would have used the antennae for location calibration
(i.e. early form of GPS) so as to take satellite photos of areas that
MIGHT HAVE or WOULD HAVE been invaded by NATO forces had a
war broken out in the 70's and 80's.

See Google Map Link:
maps.google.ca...,+24+50%27+11.37%22+E&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=45.962854,62.490234&i e=UTF8&ll=59.49441,24.839745&spn=0.004564,0.011533&t=h&z=17

And based upon some of the characteristics I've read about the
object, I highly suspect it was a disc-array antennae.

See Links:

Closest Photos I could get to show disc type antennaes:
www.simplesolutions-uk.com...

Ukranian technology for disk-based antennae:
www3.interscience.wiley.com...
Patent for an electronically steerable disk antenna which
could be the basis of the disc-shaped object found in Estonia.
www.freepatentsonline.com...

Patents for disk and disk array antennaes:
www.patentstorm.us...


adsabs.harvard.edu...


ieeexplore.ieee.org... 203



Hope this helps!




[edit on 2010/4/30 by StargateSG7]

Originally posted by Miccey
All pitch in and buy the place..And start
diggin...

You'd kind of expect that the Estonian government or military would have done just that....it surely would be pretty easy to buy most people off and they would have the funds to make a very attractive offer. It's an interesting story and I don't really know what to make of it but my instinct tells me if the Estonian PTB had any inkling that the object was not from Earth that woman would have been bought off and the land dug up a LONG time ago......? It would be the find of their entire history so the fact the land still buries it makes no sense