All Roads Lead to Rome

Overall - good job laying it all out for people to see the big picture.

You did a great job explaining how sinful man really is. Let’s see, what could cause that? You can see how the love of money really is the root of all evil. Yep, it’s happening just like the Bible predicted.

Don’t worry, all the villains will be on their knees, in torment, begging JESUS for mercy. I’ll be throwing frisbee with my dogs.

Count on it^



JESUS|YESHUA|SON < YHWH|YAHWEH|FATHER > CREATOR|KING|SAVIOR

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


did you watch that video series i linked? if you watch the whole thing, you begin to think the guy is a few cans short of a six pack, he has so many connections to so many other connections, till the whole thing becomes this big blur of tangled webs. i've heard his material before and had a similar reaction but at the time it was about the assassination of JFK. this one series of videos though, is like your post, about the entire ball of wax, top down. he proposes some interesting solutions but unfortunately, doesn't seem likely to happen since the rest of the guys in charge want their nwo so badly.

Man. Yet another amazing thred by you my friend. I am in shock and awe at how well you have put this together. This ties everything together. If you look at modern day conspiracy theories they all start to make sense when united under this banner. I am sure if everyone started thinking with this mindset everything around us would become clear, as it has for me. I am getting sleepy. I do not have time to draw all the connections. I also find it shocking to see so little opposition to this thread. A lot of people out there must agree with you. I need to let all of this sink in.

I must admit that I have always felt a strong connection to the number three throughout my entire life. Especially 3 of 3 (333, 3:33). I see it all around my, quite like that movie "Number 27" with Jim Carey, but without the craziness lol. I have always had 2 close friends, making a group of 3. It just never seems to happen that I have more than 2 close friends at any given time. Its not intentional, it just happens that way.

Regardless of my personal nuiances, this was yet again an excellent thread. I gave you a star and flag earlier as soon as I started reading. The whole world needs to know this. It would make a huge difference.

Though I have never met you, I have a deeply profound respect for you my friend. You have put your neck on the chopping block with this, as have I by reading it. You are the world's Sarah Connor. I just hope we find John Connor soon enough. Too bad it's our own flesh and blood and not machines that will bring the "apocalypse".


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I just read that bit on the Pope being asked to rescind his order on the troops converting Muslims. I just thought of on connection I might draw.

I don't think that there will be an apocalyptic WWIII like everyone thinks. I think WWIII has just happened before our very eyes. The War On Terror is WW3 and completes the trinity of world wars. The whole world has been involved in the "War On Terror". I don't think that there will be another series of 3 false flags. I think that the NWO is being enacted now, before our very eyes. On every predator drone used to catch speeders. On every surveillance camera above every stop sign. On every cell phone that has its mic activated 24/7 and being transmitted to the NSA. On every text message being transmitted to the NSA. In every extraordinary rendition that occurs. We have been numbed and accustomed to these insane surveillance and enforcement techniques. We are all blinded to them by the Roman heralders. They have slowly but surely fed us toned-down and underexaggerated stories about these activities which everyone in the slave-states refuses to acknowledge. We are now soicized against these things. I mean for god's sake the FBI admits to assassinating marilyn monroe to protect JFK's image and everyone looks the other way!

Despite ALL of this evidence GLARING EVERYONE RIGHT IN THE FACE people still think that you're crazy for believing in "conspiracies". People still deny the existence of the NWO. Personally, I think they do just because its easier to deny than accept that you are an unwitting slave.


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OP:


Well,

Great thread first of all. Despite the fact that I still have one more final to write next week, I managed to read the whole thing. Alot of it was review for me, but there were some very interesting points and things that you covered. And I did learn some stuff. Cool.

I noticed that you posted links to some other threads that you made... I'm going to wait until AFTER my final to check those out.


Take care and keep doing what you're doing.

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First i would like to say that this was an excellent post, one of the best i have ever read on ATS. The only thing i would have an issue with is that i think Jesus was a real person but the catholic church has twisted and perverted his ideas into some monstrous religion. I think that some scolars have actually named this religion Paulism due to St Paul's (and i use the term saint very very loosely) twisted fanatical interpretation of Jesus's teaching's. His teaching's have been hijacked and honed into some sort of control system and shaped into whatever the catholic church decided they should be i.e. It seems certain Jesus believed in reincarnation! Where is this teaching today. Actually his teaching was more in line with Buddhism and Hinduism. I believe that Jesus never actually died on the cross but fled to India to live out the remainder of his life. There are two wonderful books on this subject by Holger Kirsten (Jesus lived in India) and Nicolas Notovitch (The unknown life of Christ).

This is such a good thread. Countless hours of truly good reading that cause me to think and stretch my mind. Thanks so much for taking the time to put this work of yours up!

I will be coming back to this thread often to absorb all that I can.

Cheers-
Phil

Just got a some really quick questions before I continue researching what you've posted.

Under the premise that: All those involved with papal control, including the Pope himself, are aware of the truth behind the Julius Caesar/Jesus Christ connection.

How is it possible that this has been kept a secret for so long? Nobody, in 2000+ years has spoken out or said anything? Its implausible especially if you include those who were in the know as being the Knights Templar, etc.

Further question in regards to Julius Caesar/Jesus Christ:

Jesus of Nazareth lived from 5 B.C.E to 30 A.D. while Caesar lived from 100BC to 44BC. If this was all masterminded by Caesar, to have himself as 'god', surely the time frame should have been a little more 'in sync'?

P.S: You should write up a thread on the Caesar/Christ connection alone when you have time, would be an interesting read.

P.P.S: Will have more questions soon.

Cheers.

Best thread I have ever had the pleasure of reading here on ATS, and that is saying a lot. When you see it all layed out in chronological order like that it is difficult to argue.



Great work. Simply astounding effort.

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Thanks for such a sensible (and believable) expose on the Roman Conspiracy. As I read your post I found your history made a lot of sense, more sense than many other explanation.

I'd like to know where you place the Cathars (Albigensians), whose lands were coveted by the "Catholic" King of France. In order to seize that land the Cathars had to be declared heretics by His "Holiness" the Pope of Rome. Pope declared the Cathars heretics, and therefore their property was forfeited to the King. More money for the TPTB, IMO.



S&F

[edit on 4/26/2010 by RadicalGnostic]

Hi Proto! Good job helping to fulfill "end-times" prophecy of the Son of Perdition being revealed! God could be using you and you don't even know it!

You know the old saying,"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"? Well,just like the early Reformers,Rome still hates fundamental Christians who believe the gospel!

...Angry at Christian Bible-believers and others who refuse to acknowledge his spiritual leadership, Pope John Paul II and Vatican cronies have called for an all-out war.

As reported in the Associated Press, with the Tibetan god-man, the Dalai Lama, sitting at his right side, this October in Rome the Pope presided at a special council of some 200 religious leaders of various faiths, sects, and cults.

The Pontiff told the assembled Buddhist monks, Zoroastrian priests, Catholic cardinals, Hindu gurus, American Indian shamen, Jewish rabbis, and ecumenical clergy that all must join in condemning the Christian fundamentalists who "abuse speech" and whose efforts at converting others "incite hatred and violence."

The Pope further directed that the religious leaders promote "tolerance," mutual understanding, and respect for all religions and faiths, not just their own.

Newspaper sources called the meeting "remarkable," noting incredible scenes ranging from a ritual in which an American Indian blessed the four corners of the earth from the heart of Rome, to a Moslem Mufti and his followers kneeling toward Mecca and praying.

All present were in accord on two key points: (1) Pope John Paul II was endorsed by consensus as the planet's chief spiritual guide and overseer; and (2) Religious fundamentalists who refuse to go along with the global ecumenical movement are to be silenced. They must also be denounced as "dangerous extremists" full of hate.www.texemarrs.com...

The Reformers were dangerous to Rome because they were exposing the papacy as the antichrist.

An excellent video,called "Rekindling the Reformation",by a brilliant lecturer named Walter Veith,is available at Amazing Discoveries.com (free). It gives an excellent recounting of history and how Rome has subverted and ridiculed the message over time.

amazingdiscoveries.tv...

It begins with the lecture "The Twin Pillars of the Reformation". All are essential viewing when considering the RCC and true Christianity.

Why would they do that if they were not a "threat"? Any thoughts on that?

Proto,I realize this message isn't what you may be searching for,so please don't feel I am trying to force my beliefs on you in any way. I am so glad that people are waking up to what Rome is all about,and feel this information might be of interest to some who read this .

Thank you for another wonderful thread and I pray God blesses you in spite of youself! (And I mean that sincerely and kindly!)

I'll start off with more congrats, this information is PRIME. I'd also like to offer to format those 35 pages into a pdf file.

Even the title is correct, although a sub heading could be "modern history in a nut's shell" ... What i know of history concurs 100 % with the story that you reveal.

WRT Skull & Crossbones, on the "other" thread it was stated that Bush etc are NOT masons. May i remind those same masons of their brotherhood to pirates and corsairs. S&B was started by pirates, with the intention of keeping "piracy" going. The 322, the ides of march (15), do all add up. Also, i've always wondered why Julius was remembered as well as he was. (although 've always blamed the good sirs Goscinny and Uderzo

Right, now for the negative comments.

I would agree with others posting here that rome is only the latest incarnation of a single idea. That there is something behind rome that is bigger than even it. This obviously is not entirely relevant to this excellent thread, i'll leave THAT in your hands.

I cannot agree that christianity was invented by rome. Usurped indeed, but it suits me to think that a person called Jesus upset their agendas somewhat. Your statement that the 2nd temple was nothing more than an administrative office is startling, until you recall that the only time in recording that Jesus got angry was with the money changers IN THE temple. The council of Nicea was damage control. Which they used to excellent effect of course, but what they clearly know is that not EVERYTHING is under their control. Something they would not care to be reminded of.

Your assertion that spirituality does not concern you as much as history, well it's kind of good, keeps you focused. But there's another thread behind this story. Sun worship, and sacrifice. Which i think relates more to motive (which you have glossed over in this thread)? Rome did indeed collect cultures, usually destroying any real "belief system" they may have had. But what am asserting, is that Rome itself was a merely a player, that was used by something far older than itself. And as you say, they certainly do not practice what they preach. The practice something ELSE, indeed. Something that they believe is more, real (effective/rewarding/enjoyable?)

- it must be said i believe in angels and demons - and spiritual warfare - not related to this thread, but imho intrinsic to understanding the hows and whys.

Even your basic assertions of the trinity of the human mind, while true are only a fraction of the scope that "trinity" allows in nature, structure and order, in that it's wha truly lifts us above the animals. Now while it is a truism, as in true to all, to what extent has this simple concept been utilised against? And why? Much "magic" and "ritual" can be traced directly to Babylon, Sumer and Egypt, and most notably the Jews (which all contained the trinity concept). All significantly pre roman, although Rome exhibited these SAME ritals and magics and financial know how in their workings. Much of these deeds, methods and results are so far from day to day reality, i have to question the origions of the knowledge? And i sincerely doubt it was invented by clever people, it screams of "knowledge imparted" ... delphi oracles, mad women (ides) and other esoteric sources. Which would then be the conspiracy, BEHIND the conspiracy.

From your "earth power" perspective, and my "heaven power" perspective, we will certainly agree on one central facet:
Total control of every single living thing on the planet. Nothing less than total control of everything is good enough.

To THAT end, the masonic, catholic, and other shills are as dangerous to us as the roman soldiers were to Jesus. Who really never was a threat to them? Save to point out their own shortcomings.

Some excellent debate on this thread, i hope i have added something of value.
peace

Utterly awesome thread - really really enjoyed the read. Time well spent

Ding-ding, the ring of truth, sounded many times whilst I read this.

My personal interest is in the obvious (to me) awakening of human consciousness that appears to be 'coming to a head' or at least bringing us to the thresh-hold of some major awareness shift.

I assign a 'greater than human' intelligence to this 'movement', so wonder if:

a) you share this observation
b) you link it somehow to the conspiracy

Perhaps as the 'end times' of the Roman conspiracy of control gets ever closer, the fundamental yearning of consciousness to express freedom gets ever stronger.

Perhaps it will be the restriction and control that eventually sets us free - or at least returns us to the freedom we once enjoyed.

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GREAT article..! S & F

Like i once told you, Reading you is like drinking directly from the river of knowledge.

Your theory of the underground Empire of Rome is fascinating, you seems to have found the missing pieces of the puzzle, that could reveal to us the matrix, the Architects of Power had designed, to control humanity into a prison planet.

This thread is a blast, it's sited on the back of a rocket, flying straight up to the sky...

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problem is, he doesn't propose a solution that goes against what the vatican already wants. instead, he suggests we are deliberately self-fulfilling the prophecy by even believing it is real in the first place (ignore the fact he believes it enough to write copious pages on the subject, and realize that what he really means to say is that when billions of innocent people are killed, it'll be their own fault for even reading the text of prophecy and giving it any weight. how do you argue with that kind of mental tyranny? we're supposed to ignore the prophecies so they don't come to pass. i wonder if that worked for the people killed by the holy roman empire before they were even allowed to read the bible, back when it was only written in latin, stuffed in a locked basement room, where it was chained to the wall ? )




[edit on 26-4-2010 by undo]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

It does have some applications in teeth and computers and such, but to tell you the truth, a think the elites drink it in powdered form as an anobolic alixer and detoxifier to keep themselves relatively immune from all the polutants and junk and diseases they feed us.


the Sweedish Bikini team kidnapping me!

Could there be something in the talk of white powder gold, or more likely perhaps colloidal gold, perhaps a tie in there with the Baghdad batteries.


Nordics?

Proto!

Great Thread!


Wow, what a good read! If I could give you 1000 stars and flags, I would!

Impressive research and presentation, friend.
This should be stickied and shown at the ATS home page as a must read.

Actually, this should be a must read for all new members.
Kind of like an initiation tool in order to join.



I found the Avalon Project website is a profound resource!
Just reading the info that Yale put together is astounding, also.
Gives the reader more valuable information to use when researching American History.

Thanks.

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No he doesn't. The only solution is lots of dead people. Either them or us. And frankly, we're not like that. That's the thing, mankind is inherently evil the priests tell us, while winking at their favourite altarboy. But the people who go to church, well to be blunt they don't have the imagination to BE evil. They're just avarage joes who wouldn't want to take over the local post office, never mind the world. The problem is not within communities, but imposed from without, by the trojan horse called the priest. (again, Jesus abolished the priesthood, and the have still not acknowledged that in the Vatican, ergo they cannot be classed as "CHRISTians")

But, as to what to do, knowledge alone gives power. Protoplasmic Traveller has given us all the greatest gift possible, knowledge. Be aware, share, educate, yourself and those around you. They only rule through fear and lies. Know the lies, and you will control the fear.

Proto,

What you have here is an interesting thread. However, I'm a little concerned about a few things regarding your proposition on the hidden history of the Roman Empire tied into today's world events.

One, I see many links to other websites, but can you cite actual sources you are getting information from outside the internet? What books have you consulted? Have you consulted with actual scholars in this matter?

Two, in regards to Caesar's apparent assassination, can you provide proof to me, and everyone, where you got the idea he survived it while living in secret in Seborga? Can you cite the actual source of this particular tidbit?

Three, in regards to the Knights Templar, I need to correct you. There were 9 knights, not 7 assigned to Outremer (The Holy Land). It was St. Bernard of Clairvaux and the Council of Troyes that officialized the Order of Poor-Fellow Soldier Knights of Christ of The Temple of Solomon aka. The Knights Templar in the year of 1119 A.D. It was this council that wrote the famous Rule that dictated the lifestyle and regulation on how the Templars were to conduct themselves.

Of course, there were other 'cottage' industry books that theorized the secret mission for the nine knights was to excavate the Temple of Solomon (Al Aqsa Mosque) for the Ark of the Covenant while using their Order as a cover. This took place after they sacked Jerusalem in 1099, led by Huges de Payen (who was eventually made Grandmaster of the Templar Order).

While other books proposed that some of the nine knights were from the holy blood-line, seeking to take back what belonged to their family line originally. And yet, once they accomplished what they set out to do, a few knights travelled back to France and Europe to get more financial support, their financial coffers grew and membership exploded over the years.

I could go on and on, but the historical information is out there in books. Piers Paul Read "The Templars", John J. Robinson "Dungeon, Fire and Sword" and Charles G Addison "The History of The Knights Templars" are great authors who wrote on this subject matter.

And lastly, what do you do for a living exactly?

Cheers,

-A

[edit on 26-4-2010 by Sanctum1972]

reply to post by harryhaller


you must've missed his post where he said that we who read the prophecies and actually believe them (he believes the book of revelation was written by the papacy, in fact, he believes the hebrew torah was also written by the papacy) are wishing this thing into reality because we so want to see the fulfillment of prophecy, it will be our own fault when it happens.

he believes that the text was written by the papacy for just that purpose, to signal when it was time to wipe out several billion people and especially now that religion is no longer needed to control everyone (advent of super high tech). and that when the time arrives, the jews, christians and muslims will kill each other off in a war orchestrated by the antichristian arm of the papacy, because religions are no longer needed to get people to conform to their wishes - the media does that job for them.

you have to read proto carefully. he's all over the map on this one.