Stephen Hawking says Aliens exist

reply to post by MonteroReal


This can go on and on. BUT you are only one person, and its you life, i owe you nothing, and you do have the right to your 'truth' as based upon and dictated by your 5 senses. It is your comfort and solace. Ignorance is bliss for some, and by your posts, you prefer blind bliss.

Cheers.

Something I see on here a lot of and something I have learned from my experience is this.

First of all history shouldn't be forgotten as it has time and time again proven to be a yard stick for measuring future actions and eventual outcomes, the military in ANYTHING they say and do should be taken with a grain of salt if not outright lie or deception, that's what they do, and they do it well!

Just because someone has a point of view or theory on something doesn't negate the value, I have several people I consider authoritative on subjects but still don't take everything they say as gospel, it certainly doesn't make me smarter but allows me the right to absorb what I think is logical, and gives me more freedom to compare and add that information to other tidbits of information I feel relevant to the theory.

As for for this particular topic, and some of the comments on the subject I certanly wouldn't be one of the people assuming the visitors are friendly....

There is no doubt in M mind that government and military offices have deliberately hidden and lied about the obvious visitations we have had so far, that alone almost guarantees that any theory is going to be missing key information, and since they govern all of the activities and research as best as they can, also govern the amount of knowledge we will have.

As for Hawkins and others I stand in awe of there abilities to make such amazing strides as it is.

There are some very very smart people hanging around in here and you know who you are...... LOL

If only I would have spend half the time doing this in school 30 years ago that I spend now trying to absorb every little bit of information, maybe I'd be smarter instead of so damn good looking!!!

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by MonteroReal

 

This can go on and on. BUT you are only one person, and its you life, i owe you nothing, and you do have the right to your 'truth' as based upon and dictated by your 5 senses. It is your comfort and solace. Ignorance is bliss for some, and by your posts, you prefer blind bliss.

Cheers.

cool, but remember, you are only one person too

And is not my confort and solace, i wish to know an alien, and i wish to know them but have the capacity of defend myself, if they are here they only need to hack the tv, so next time you dinner with one please ask him to do that.

Originally posted by MonteroReal

And what is the proof that the proof had been hidden?

Yes, you are right, no access doesnt mean it doesnt exist, but you are assuming for starters that the evidence is hidden by a conspiracy, that is only a premise you made because is what fit with what you want to believe.

I have made no assumptions and make no premise based on what I want to believe. I make these statements based upon what I have seen with my own eyes.

No. It's not in video format to produce for your own satisfaction. What happened was unexpected.

we can avoid contact until we know enough, is logical and wise, because not you and not me can know how an alien will think.

To us as species, our survival must come first, must come before any wishful thinking, because if they are not so good then we will need to fight.

Which is most likely what they are thinking about us. Or maybe they KNOW we will react violently based on our history and present war status.

So you know how are they going to react, hardly surprising, it seems a lot of the people who dream with the good aliens know everything about them.

So, if they are ubergood why they would attack us if we react bad? if they are bad why they would act nice if we are nice? those aliens are very bipolar, and it seems they are very like us, so thats a good reason to be careful.

You're correct to think that all E.T.'s may NOT be benevolent! The ones who already reside here and work WITH our own govt have already proven this.

If the U.S. is so 'ubergood', then WHY do we attack countries that attack the U.S.? Could it be for "survival of our own kind"?

Until there is full disclosure from our govt (never gonna happen in an honest manner) or the E.T.'s make themselves so obviously present that their existence & interactions cannot be denied, the wool will remain over your eyes. Good luck to you!

reply to post by MonteroReal

Originally posted by MonteroReal
Deny Wishful Thinking!

Now you wish to meet an alien???

Go tell that to your elected representative. I am only an insignificant nobody here. No one, no being owes me anything or answers to my beck and call here.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by MonteroReal

 

Originally posted by MonteroReal
Deny Wishful Thinking!

Now you wish to meet an alien???

Go tell that to your elected representative.

If you tell an elected representative that you want to meet an alien, then chances are 100% they will tell you to visit Arizona. You'll need to specify an Extra Terrestrial. Then brace yourself for the hot wind from laughter.

Anyone watch the new documentary about this yet?

Check it out.




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reply to post by Before2017Victor


Thank you for sharing this link. I don't have cable.

I will be watching tomorrow when my brain is awake.

Stephen hawkins is only informing one of the parts when coming to aliens. The government has started the project wich is about informing the "Public" about aliens. Wich must be done in a tactical and gentle way.

The first runners are.

*Stephen Hawkins
*History Channel
*Cnn

As legit sources.Others will come slowly after when people are starting to open themselves up abit more.

The "public" is afterall, a bunch of sheeps and must be treated always like it.

Originally posted by Nivcharah

I have made no assumptions and make no premise based on what I want to believe. I make these statements based upon what I have seen with my own eyes.

No. It's not in video format to produce for your own satisfaction. What happened was unexpected.

So how you know is hidden?

Which is most likely what they are thinking about us. Or maybe they KNOW we will react violently based on our history and present war status.

How many examples of aliens meeting humans can they have to be so able to measure our reaction to extraterrestrials?, if we use the "abductees" i had never read a case of people reacting with violence.

You're correct to think that all E.T.'s may NOT be benevolent! The ones who already reside here and work WITH our own govt have already proven this. If the U.S. is so 'ubergood', then WHY do we attack countries that attack the U.S.? Could it be for "survival of our own kind"?

I dont have proof of that, im not from the US btw and if they attack someone is because of interest or because they can, the US as a country have to put their country and interest first.

I dont believe in benevolent or malevolent races, is too extremist to think in a pure good race and a pure evil race.

Until there is full disclosure from our govt (never gonna happen in an honest manner) or the E.T.'s make themselves so obviously present that their existence & interactions cannot be denied, the wool will remain over your eyes. Good luck to you!

If they want to be know they dont need the goverment so idk why the gvt is so important in all the hipothesis.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101


Now you wish to meet an alien???

Go tell that to your elected representative. I am only an insignificant nobody here. No one, no being owes me anything or answers to my beck and call here.

I always wanted, i never say i didnt, too much science fiction for me, but what i want is not relevant to my logical process, my desires are totally irrelevant, that i want doesnt mean i must start saying "hey hey im here, come", and of course it doesnt mean that i must not be careful.

Oh yes, i believe they exist, i dont believe they are here.

reply to post by 11118


Excellent point. This conundrome of infinity vs. science is the essence of the meaning of life.

reply to post by Archirvion


But the thing is they will never tell any real truths, and most of the people speaking in the ufo movement are useless.

billions of stars in our galaxy, billions of galaxy ... I mean, its impossible to not realize that they exist

and it is actually credible to think that at least 1 civilization survived the dangerous of the universe and evolved enough to send AI to spread life/ search for life in the universe

so ... who knows the possibilities .. but off course they exist, otherwise, this #$% is useless, all that size for what?

another thing, water and all those things come from asteroids, and they believe life too, they already found if I am not mistaken, micro life into asteroids, so it proves that it could seed planets with life

Originally posted by Archirvion
Stephen hawkins is only informing one of the parts when coming to aliens. The government has started the project wich is about informing the "Public" about aliens. Wich must be done in a tactical and gentle way.

The first runners are.

*Stephen Hawkins
*History Channel
*Cnn

As legit sources.Others will come slowly after when people are starting to open themselves up abit more.

The "public" is afterall, a bunch of sheeps and must be treated always like it.

Don't miss the other part that is happening in Congress right now. The NWO/Corporation and their minions are being grilled. Could Disclosure be the bargaining chip to get them confess and pay for their greed crimes to humanity?

A ) Confess, agree to partial govt control and direction, no more 'socializing debts but privatising profits', - and the govt will hold off full disclosure, admit to only 'aliens out there but not on Earth', or

B.) Be stubborn, refuse to admit to mistakes, refuse all overtures or atone = the govt will give full disclosure, come clean right from 1947 till today on the role of the NWO/Corporations in its command, direction and secrecies of alien intentions.

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At present we are unable to identify approx 75% of our known universe. We don't know whats out there or what manifestations can take place, literally anything is possible.

I thought Dr Hawking was quite clear about that.

Originally posted by EsSeeEye
reply to post by Matrix Rising

 

Keep in mind that, while the debate has moved from "are we being visited" to "should we hope to be visited", the point still stands that there's no proof that we have.

Hawking postulating about interstellar life is fun, and even while I agree with him on pretty much all points, it's still postulation. Life may be out there, and it even may have already found us, but there's still no proof of either. Hawking believes that there are living aliens, but he still bases all assumption on the thought that it's not been proven yet.

He also explicitly expresses that he doesn't believe we're being visited by any intelligent alien species.

Be careful where you put your proof stick, because there's no proof anywhere within Hawking's opinions.

This doesn't make any sense.

Hawking didn't say they "may" be out there. He said it's "rational" to talk about Aliens because it's "almost certain" they exist.

I know the pseudoskeptic doesn't like this and you want to make it sound like his opinion or it's just some kind of belief he pulled out of thin air.

Hawking came to these conclusions because of "EVIDENCE."

I know pseudoskeptics hate that word.

When I would say there's enough evidence to draw the conclusion that extraterrestials exist, the pseudoskeptic would say 'there's no evidence" "that's just wishful thinking."

In the documentary, Hawking laid out the "EVIDENCE" that led him to draw the conclusion that it's "almost certain" that Aliens exist.

Have they visited us? I say the "EVIDENCE" shows that extraterrestrial visitation is the most likely explanation for abduction cases, mass sightings, radar reports, videos, pictures, trace evidence and more.

Now the pseudoskeptic will say things like:

"that's absurd"
"it's just people hallucinating"
"Santa or the tooth fairy"
"how can you believe something like that"

These statements are meaningless and have nothing to do with the evidence.

The pseudoskeptic doesn't offer any counter evidence to these things. They just speak in terms of their personal belief.

If you have come to the conclusion that Aliens exist based on the evidence, then the next logical step is that they have been visiting us because you can't put a boundary on their technology based on our current understanding of science.

One of my favorite quotes comes from Alfred Russel Wallace, a spiritualist who worked on natural selection:

I thus learnt my first great lesson in the inquiry into these obscure fields of knowledge, never to accept the disbelief of men or their accusations of imposture or of imbecility, as of any weight when opposed to the repeated observation of facts by other men, admittedly sane and honest. The whole history of science shows us that whenever the educated and scientific men of any age have denied the facts of other investigators on a priori grounds of absurdity or impossibility, the deniers have always been wrong.

reply to post by Matrix Rising


EeSeeEye, don't you like how what you said was completely twisted and Matrix managed to not address your point at all?

reply to post by Before2017Victor


I finished watching this last night.

Pros
-Well produced
-Intelligent

Cons
-Not anything new-not by a long shot.

Honestly I don't see what all the brew ha is about, Sure Hawking is well known but anyone with even a mild interest in the topic has watched similar shows in the past.

Sorry folks this looks like a "mountain from a mole hill" to me.

reply to post by Matrix Rising

Hawking just dropped a bombshell. He said it's "rational" to think about aliens because it's "almost certain" they exist. I know the pseudoskeptics are sick over this but it is what it is.

I doubt there is anyone on this board with a more sceptical turn of mind than mine. I'm a scientific materialist, I don't believe in things unseen, and I think conspiracy theorists (as opposed to the discoverers of real conspiracies) are deluded. You and I have crossed swords on ATS before, so you know I am telling the truth.

Yet I have believed in the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life ever since I first began to think about it. It's simple logic: so many galaxies, so many stars, so many planets. Even if you think life can only be as we already know it, that it must be carbon-based and can only evolve on Earthlike planets, well, it's a huge universe: there must be plenty of Earthlike planets out there, and intelligent life on at least some of them.

Long before we began discovering extrasolar planets, long before we knew about extremophiles and other weird forms of terrestrial life, it was still clear that - unless Earth is somehow unique, in some way we do not understand - the probability of intelligent life among the stars must be close to one hundred percent.

Now, mind you, this is a belief. I don't know for sure that life exists out there. Neither does Stephen Hawking, and neither do you. But even a sceptic may choose to believe something, based on probability and the available evidence, however paltry the latter may be. I am a scientifically-minded sceptic who believes intelligent aliens must exist. I imagine most scientifically-minded sceptics, and even most scientists (with the possible exception of some biologists), also believe this. They believe it for the same reason I do: the odds are in its favour.

What Prof. Hawking is saying about the probable existence of aliens is not some new or disturbing idea in the world of science. The news here is his advice that we should be cautious of attracting their attention because they may be hostile.

Hawking has given cover to scientist who want to explore these issues and that's a good thing. He has said it's "rational" to talk about these things.

It may have escaped your attention, but the oldest scientific institution I know of, the Royal Society, recently concluded a big and very high-profile conference on exterrestrial intelligence and the search for it. Lots of scientists were there, including such famous ones as Frank Drake and Paul Davies. The event was widely reported. There is no shame or stigma in the scientific community regarding this topic. UFOs are another story.

Dr. Hawking is, by the way, a Fellow of the Royal Society.

There needs to be a big push to have Ufology studied and debated on college campuses.

Leaving aside such fascinating questions as what the curriculum might be, I wonder what sort of employment prospects await the holder of a degree in 'ufology'.

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reply to post by Matrix Rising

Hawking has elevated the debate which is AWESOME!! People are debating whether they're hostile or have they visited us. We are not debating whether they exist.

I suppose this is comforting to a 'ufologist' (sorry about the quotes, by the way; my sympathy for the English language insists upon them), but whether or not aliens exist was never the question. Enrico Fermi, back at Los Alamos in 1950, was already asking, 'Where is everybody?' - meaning, with all those aliens that must be out there, how come no evidence of their existence has ever been seen?*

As the Fermi story reveals, scientists were always aware that there probably is intelligent life out there, and were discussing the implications of such a probability long before the general public had cottoned on to it. Who do you think comes up with this stuff in the first place, if not scientists?

Enrico Fermi was, by the way, one of the leading physicists of the twentieth century. He received the Nobel Prize in 1938, twelve years before he asked that question.

Prof. Hawking's statement has no bearing at all on the question whether aliens are visiting us or not. If you cannot realize this, you are beyond the reach of argument.

If you said that extraterrestrials exist on this board and others, you will hear

"That's just wishful thinking"

"There isn't any evidence to support that claim"

"Santa"

"The tooth fairy"

I've been on ATS five years now, and I've never seen that. I've seen people say things like that about claims that aliens are visiting Earth. I've said things like that about such claims myself. I believe in intelligent aliens. I don't believe in intelligent alien tourists. I won't bore you with the reasons why, except to say that the odds are (astronomically) against it.

As others have pointed out earlier, you are conflating two discussions, the one about extraterrestrial life and the one about aliens visiting Earth. Both feature aliens, but they are two separate arguments.

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And this:

The absolute mindset of the pseudoskeptic needs to be regulated to the dust bin of history.

This mindset, like the 'pseudoskeptics' opposed to it, exists only in the minds of angry wannabelievers. It's what you may have heard called a straw man.

*You will say there is plenty of evidence. But Fermi was speaking in the dawn years of the Flying Saucer Craze, as the press then called it, and the vast body of lore and anecdote that comprises the literature of 'ufology' had yet to be created.

reply to post by Astyanax


It seems the pseudoskeptics have amnesia.

When a thread was started that talked about the existence of extraterrestrials, the pseudoskeptic would say there's no evidence or it's just wishful thinking.

In a recent thread of mine, a pseudoskeptic said this.

As we don't have evidence of ETs life might very well be something that is exclusive to the earth. This is not a silly notion as it's based on facts.

Life exclusive to earth????

The fact is the pseudoskeptics on this board and others have said there isn't any evidence to come to the conclusion the extraterrestrials exist.

The constant talk about Santa or Fairytales is a mainstay on threads that try to "rationally" talk about these issues.

You made the statement that intelligent life exists but it hasn't visited us. This makes no sense.

If intelligent life exists are you putting a boundary on their technology and forbidding them from visiting earth?

What do you base this on?

What about eyewitness accounts from pilots to police officers, mass sightings, alien abductions, radar reports, trace evidence, pictures and video?

If you say that intelligent life exist then this intelligent life is the most likely explanation for the things I listed above.

If you have counter evidence to these things then present it. I don't want your opinion or belief, I want counter evidence to explain these things.

Hawking just dropped a bombshell and this is why it was covered everywhere from the Washington Post to Fox News.

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