Stephen Hawking says Aliens exist

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The OP, (courtesy of Stephen Hawking) has given everyone the chance to theorise, which is exactly what Stephen Hawking does in his job, so even talking about aliens in any way, is part of his brief. I think his idea of a finite universe is based on the Big Bang theory which is current, and which by definition almost, has to have finite matter in it. Also perhaps his thinking is that "someone" had to make the Big Bang in the "first" place. Boiled down, the Big Bang theory is no different than the Creationist Theory, or for that matter the Chicken and the Egg Theory. So here is a man with only his mind to play with, trying to make sense of it all, while the rest of have a frolic in the Sun, and try not to think about it too much.

Just a few minutes ago, on the NBC nightly news, Brian Williams just talked a little bit about this story. The unusual part for me, however, is the manner in which he talked about it. It sounded ominous, like the media is taking Dr. Hawking's warning pretty seriously... almost as if they expect this to actually be happening soon... thoughts?

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What?! I remember reading somewhere that the government is planning to orchestrate a false alien invasion in the hopes of us turning to them for help (the government not the aliens) and eventually fulfill the NWO. They want to make them look evil. The show "V" is a perfect example. And the twilight zone episode where the book turns out to be a cookbook. I believe someone has already mentioned that.

I think Hawking is watching too much "V"

Science is the exploration of the world and worlds around us. So as a scientist, for Hawking to make the statement that he did makes no sense to me...

We're depending on these very smart people to find other intelligent life outside of our planet, so it's a bit disheartening when one of the lead scientists in the world says we shouldn't be looking for it, when we all know they're out there...

It's funny, he states that any other intelligent life out there may be so far beyond us in evolution that we wouldn't know what to do if we found them, yet he equates our first meeting with these same alien life forms to that of Columbus meeting the native americans for the first time, stating that "it didn't work out well for the Native Americans..."

One has nothing to do with the other and I wonder what Hawkings agenda really is...

And what sort of resources could other intelligent life want from us? I mean really, it's not like their space craft use oil to traverse the universe...

By the time they do visit us what will be left for them to take really?- we're already using it all up... our puny planet wouldn't be worth the pit stop





[edit on 26-4-2010 by PhotonEffect]

Originally posted by Silicis n Volvo

Originally posted by Tryptych
It's not actually Hawkings' idea:

Drake Equation

The question is more like: if it's so probable that other life exists, why haven't they contacted us? Or maybe they have, who knows.

well...life on other planets doesnt have to be intelligent. there could just be bacteria or small insect or animal life..so they couldnt really contact us haha.

remember there was unintelligent life on earth well before we were here.

and if there was intelligent life elsewhere...theres a chance they dont know we are here yet...remember we are considered intelligent life and we dont know if anything is out there yet either.

and if they are intelligent and capable of contacting us...theres the question of...why should they? if they are that much more advanced than us they may not be interested in us.

do you feel the need to try and talk to animals? no because they arent intelligent enough to bother with.

Well, at least your heart is in the right place.

First, let me start by saying that this isn't an insult. So, please don't take it as such.

Now...you said that there was unintelligent life before we got here. I guess that is dependent on what your idea of intelligent is.

Second, you claim that animals aren't intelligent enough to speak with. I think your assessment might be highly inaccurate. You would be surprised what animals understand, and in many ways, they are far more connected to the world and this Universe than most of us people.

Much love to all...

Originally posted by PhotonEffect
I think Hawking is watching too much "V"

Science is the exploration of the world and worlds around us. So as a scientist, for Hawking to make the statement that he did makes no sense to me...

We're depending on these very smart people to find other intelligent life outside of our planet, so it's a bit disheartening when one of the lead scientists in the world says we shouldn't be looking for it, when we all know they're out there...

It's funny, he states that any other intelligent life out there may be so far beyond us in evolution that we wouldn't know what to do if we found them, yet he equates our first meeting with these same alien life forms to that of Columbus meeting the native americans for the first time, stating that "it didn't work out well for the Native Americans..."

One has nothing to do with the other and I wonder what Hawkings agenda really is...

And what sort of resources could other intelligent life want from us? I mean really, it's not like their space craft use oil to traverse the universe...

By the time they do visit us what will be left for them to take really?- we're already using it all up... our puny planet wouldn't be worth the pit stop





[edit on 26-4-2010 by PhotonEffect]

Photon, you're a good man, but you should bow out gracefully on this one. Hawkings knows more about science and mathematics than you will ever be able to conceive and is responsible for more that has happened in this world than you will ever contribute.

This is not an insult, nor is it a doorway for an argument. Just consider that he probably knows far more than you will ever be able to understand.

Much love to all...

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Originally posted by PhotonEffect
I think Hawking is watching too much "V"

Science is the exploration of the world and worlds around us. So as a scientist, for Hawking to make the statement that he did makes no sense to me...

We're depending on these very smart people to find other intelligent life outside of our planet, so it's a bit disheartening when one of the lead scientists in the world says we shouldn't be looking for it, when we all know they're out there...

It's funny, he states that any other intelligent life out there may be so far beyond us in evolution that we wouldn't know what to do if we found them, yet he equates our first meeting with these same alien life forms to that of Columbus meeting the native americans for the first time, stating that "it didn't work out well for the Native Americans..."

One has nothing to do with the other and I wonder what Hawkings agenda really is...

And what sort of resources could other intelligent life want from us? I mean really, it's not like their space craft use oil to traverse the universe...

By the time they do visit us what will be left for them to take really?- we're already using it all up... our puny planet wouldn't be worth the pit stop





[edit on 26-4-2010 by PhotonEffect]

Photon, you're a good man, but you should bow out gracefully on this one. Hawkings knows more about science and mathematics than you will ever be able to conceive and is responsible for more that has happened in this world than you will ever contribute.

This is not an insult, nor is it a doorway for an argument. Just consider that he probably knows far more than you will ever be able to understand.

Much love to all...

Stephen Hawking is a theoretical physicist, that is his job or vocation, however all the maths and sciences in this world cannot not explain what he is talking about, other than theoretically.

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Photon, you're a good man, but you should bow out gracefully on this one. Hawkings knows more about science and mathematics than you will ever be able to conceive and is responsible for more that has happened in this world than you will ever contribute.

This is not an insult, nor is it a doorway for an argument. Just consider that he probably knows far more than you will ever be able to understand.

EM, if you're intention was not to engage in an argument then you're sorely misleading yourself. And you can quit it with the patronizing, it's insulting and I don't care for it...

How about just offering an opinion, eh? instead of delegating who should or shouldn't be taking part in threads around here... that's not appropriate

If you agree with Hawking, in that we shouldn't be exploring for other intelligent life forms for fear that they will destroy us, then just say it EM. Simple as that...

Otherwise don't come on here asking people to bow out of threads. It's insulting and rude.


[edit on 26-4-2010 by PhotonEffect]

Originally posted by PhotonEffect
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

Photon, you're a good man, but you should bow out gracefully on this one. Hawkings knows more about science and mathematics than you will ever be able to conceive and is responsible for more that has happened in this world than you will ever contribute.

This is not an insult, nor is it a doorway for an argument. Just consider that he probably knows far more than you will ever be able to understand.

EM, if you're intention was not to engage in an argument then you're sorely misleading yourself. And you can quit it with the patronizing, it's insulting and I don't care for it...

How about just offering an opinion, eh? instead of delegating who should or shouldn't be taking part in threads around here... that's not appropriate

If you agree with Hawking, in that we shouldn't be exploring for other intelligent life forms for fear that they will destroy us, then just say it EM. Simple as that...

Otherwise don't come on here asking people to bow out of threads. It's insulting and rude.


[edit on 26-4-2010 by PhotonEffect]

You do love the adversity...don't you?

Stephen Hawking's view on whether we should or shouldn't explore for extra-terrestrials was not the issue that I was addressing. We definitely should. Therefore, if this was the issue that you were addressing, then we are in agreement.

However, I thought you were questioning whether there was intelligent life to begin with. If this is not the case, then you have my apologies. Sincerely.

And, I didn't ask you to bow out of the thread, rather...the argument. My intention was to inform you that your calculations, if contradictory to Hawkings on the possibility of extraterrestrial life, would not be recognized by anyone especially considering the amount of credentials he has accrued verses yours. However, its all speculation from a scientific standpoint, therefore, no one is correct until there is definitive proof. But, as far as from a truly mathematical standpoint, Hawkings will always have more credibility than the layperson.

Nonetheless, if you were merely arguing that we should continue to search for extra-terrestrial life...Then you're right. No questions asked.

Much love to all...

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Yep...you're absolutely correct. I have absolutely no disagreement with your statement.

Much love to all...

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Skeptics, please don't start calling Hawking names like you did with Edgar Mitchell.

Everyone should take a moment to review the other Stephen Hawking threads, Stephen Hawking says no aliens visit earth and Response to Stephen Hawking comments. In these threads you will find Hawking being run down for disagreeing with a certain group's sacred beliefs. Those people are not skeptics.

[edit on 26-4-2010 by DoomsdayRex]

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And under the bus he goes.

It's all theoretical posturing. Hawking just takes the safer route when it comes to choosing whether or not to broadcast our location to the universe, and I would be surprised to see the reaction to that if I hadn't already been viewing these forums for a while.

It's a shame that so many people are so willing to jump without a parachute. I hope the people who make the decisions have a bit more logic.

Hawking just dropped a bombshell.

He said it's "rational" to think about aliens because it's "almost certain" they exist.

I know the pseudoskeptics are sick over this but it is what it is.

Hawking has reached a logical conclusion based on the available evidence.

Hawking has given cover to scientist who want to explore these issues and that's a good thing. He has said it's "rational" to talk about these things.

There needs to be a big push to have Ufology studied and debated on college campuses.

The absolute mindset of the pseudoskeptic needs to be regulated to the dust bin of history. It's time for freethinkers to "rationally" debate and study these issues without the absolutes coming from the pseudoskeptic.

Bravo Hawking!!

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Hawking just dropped a bombshell.

He said it's "rational" to think about aliens because it's "almost certain" they exist.

I know the pseudoskeptics are sick over this but it is what it is.

You "know" this? Prove it.

Please show us where a single skeptic has said is it not rational to discuss alien life in the galaxy?

the following are anagrams for eachother.
they are all comprised of the same letters.

A GREY TOPIC
CATEGORY PI
CAIRO EGYPT

maybe we should have listened to steven hawkings when he told us to shut up?

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I'd be more excited about Hawking's words if it weren't for the frothing fervor of excitement and "I told you so"s that are already reminding people about why Ufology is considered a joke science to begin with.

Oh, and the "respected" leaders of the community coming out and bashing Hawking's opinions on contact. That'll certainly help.

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The local news here reported this story as well and the comment that Hawkings made is that we would probably be like the natives that Christopher Columbus had met when he landed in the islands. He is presuming that any aliens who would meet up with human beings would be that much more advanced than we on the planet.

I personally believe that the configuration of earth is such that all kinds of intelligent life exists here, so that when one believes that intelligence lives elsewhere in the universe, it could of course exist in the form of a bee or a chimp, but basically what everyone wants to think is that there is a lifeform out there comparable to that of a flesh human being with the capacity for communication that human beings possess. The truth is that if any of today's inhabitants of the planet were to travel back in time and try to converse with the first human beings that lived on the planet, none could and none could understand them either.

So think about what kind of intelligence it is that could be aboard some transportation device that enabled that species to go from planet to planet as bees go from flower to flower...is it an instinct that would cause that being to travel so or is it truly intelligence and a curiosity?

I honestly believe that if an alien visitor with the capacity to communicate with any intelligence on the planet, it would have a difficult time being received by the person or persons who it met up with, similar to what Hawkings is saying about Christopher Columbus and the natives of the islands. Who would know what to do or say to such an entity if it ever arrived and made its presence known?

What do you expect an alien to be like anyway? What would you do if you met up with one?

I think Stephen Hawking's is right in portraying ET as possibly hostile. A lot of believers seem to think with advanced civilization comes advanced mind, so therefore ET is most likely to be peaceful.

However if the possibility exists for ET to be peaceful then the possibility also exists for ET to have bad intentions for us.

As the old saying goes 'It's better to be safe than sorry'.

The Universe is so vast and massive ET must exist in a peaceful form and a war mongering form.

Lets just hope the war mongering form applies to 0.1% out of all advanced ET civilizations in the Universe

Originally posted by RWM88

However if the possibility exists for ET to be peaceful then the possibility also exists for ET to have bad intentions for us.

I agree only with your sentence qouted above. But the problem is, Hawkins started and stated that ETs have bad intentions. That is alarmists and war mongering, unbecomming of an intellectual and unworthy of the accolades heaped upon him.

Does he have any proof of bad or good intentions? None. yet he accuse ETs from the start. And that, as any scientist or intellectual with an open mind, is a bad foundation to start any premise in seeking for the truth.

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz

 

"Astrophysicist Hugh Ross has calculated the probability that these and other constants (122 in all) would exist today for any planet in the universe by chance (I.e., without Divine design). Assuming there are 10^22 planets in the universe (a very large number: 1 with 22 zeros following it), his answer is shocking; one chance in 10^138, that’s one chance in one with 138 zeros after it. There are only about 10^70 atoms in the entire universe."

I have heard this argument before and I have one main beef with it. Who the heck do we think we are that we can set guidelines for what can and cannot sustain life, or even define what life is. Looking at some of the extremophiles that don't need the required water in solid rock.
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It kills me that we always think we are at the top of the evolutionary scale in the entire universe.