Stephen Hawking says Aliens exist

Originally posted by NoFilter2323
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

As you might think that Mr. Hawking's statements are somehwat naive, please, for one minute, recognize that he might be stating this relatively simply put opinion, as a warning with more information and understanding backing it.

In other words, they (Stephen Hawkings, Government, etc.) know more than they can say and don't want to scare everyone by coming forward with everything they know but, simple need to get their point across by making brief and simple statements in the media.

I am fully aware of that they the Government, etc. know so much more about it then they say and what Hawking's said and how he means it.

From a man for whom I had such a great respect and who obviously earned such an important position in the scientific community due all his marvelous work, I find the way he speaks about this immense important and realistic subject for humanity very naïve, inappropriate and insulting.

He has obviously the idea that he brings something completely new to us all in 2010 regarding this subject, which he clearly don’t.

Because if he knew so much about that subject, he would not have said such things the way he did and made such a really stupid remark like this.

On the other hand, we don't seem to have been visited by aliens. I am discounting the reports of UFOs. Why would they appear only to cranks and weirdos?

www.ted.com...

Then, many people where under some respected UFO investigators want so badly that this subject will become a priority of the scientific community, but for what purpose may I ask.

If people like Stephen Hawking, who is no doubt a real icon in the scientific community speaks about this subject the way he does in 2010, and Lord Rees, the astronomer royal, the way he does as below.

“I suspect there could be life and intelligence out there in forms we can’t conceive,” he said.

“Just as a chimpanzee can’t understand quantum theory, it could be there are aspects of reality that are beyond the capacity of our brains.”

What would they expect will happen then?

Here is my opinion, absolutely nothing.

Originally posted by NoFilter2323
I have noticed the alien talk has been coming up in a number of national TV networks, as well as a lot of state wide radio shows in Colorad, anyways...? Is this a form of disclosure? Who really knows?

I think that the national TV networks have realized now that they can’t do it off anymore as complete BS and nonsense as they did for decades now.
But it’s possible that more and more people become due that more aware of what is going on regarding this subject.



[edit on 27/4/10 by spacevisitor]

Originally posted by PhotonEffect
We're depending on these very smart people to find other intelligent life outside of our planet, so it's a bit disheartening when one of the lead scientists in the world says we shouldn't be looking for it, when we all know they're out there...

It’s precisely as you said it here my friend, I fully agree with you.

Heres my take on Hawkings "No contact".

The problem isn't civilizations far in advance of our own. To said civilizations we have nothing they want. Their resource needs would having nothing in common with ours, without a doubt they could monitor us from the comfort of their Homeworld(s) and we are probably nothing more then a passing interest. Thus there is no need to worry about hiding, its simply not possible and we could not stop them even if we wanted to.

Who we don't want to meet is anyone close to us in terms of development, how close? I'm not sure but if intelligence evolves like Humans, then their technology is more advanced then their spiritual development and like Humans they could be driven more by instinct then intellect. We would see each other a rivals and fight/flight drives would kick in. This would not be pretty.

Originally posted by EsSeeEye
reply to post by Matrix Rising

 

I'd be more excited about Hawking's words if it weren't for the frothing fervor of excitement and "I told you so"s that are already reminding people about why Ufology is considered a joke science to begin with.

Oh, and the "respected" leaders of the community coming out and bashing Hawking's opinions on contact. That'll certainly help.

Who are these "respected" members that you speak of??? Is Hawkings not respected? Now that he's made this claim, has the scientific community shunned him after all of his research and credentials?

Please show me the "respected" members who have more credibility behind them than Hawkings?

Much love to all...

[edit on 27-4-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

reply to post by Tearman


I like your lines of thought. A sound strategy would be intense observation before contact. We don't want to be like a four year old running up to everyone we see and saying "Want to be my friend!". If we want "healthy friendships" with our neighbors we should have common interests and have something to offer one another. Who knows what things we have that might be amazing to our neighbors (and vice versa), perhaps civilzation X would benefit from having something as silly as Amusement parks.

Thing is we have to really know them first and it is possible that outside of the sciences it many be impossible to really now an Alien.

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
Who are these "respected" members that you speak of??? Is Hawkings not respected? Now that he's made this claim, has the scientific community shunned him after all of his research and credentials?

EeSeeEye is not talking about members of the scientific community. It is the UFO community that is attacking Hawking for his comments, the "respected" member being Stephen Greer.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


Thanks for replying SeekerofTruth. I've not actually had the chance to view this documentary, all I have picked up is from the news websites and some blogs. Apparently it is going to be aired in May where I am.

Then if this is the case then I agree that he should not just portray ET's as just warmongering. It would have been better if Prof.Hawking highlighted both peaceful and hostile scenario's, then let the viewers decide.

Thanks and take care.

Stephen Hawkins has gone off the deep end since as anybody who has researched UFOs knows..THEY..have been here since the beginning of time and if THEY wanted to harm us THEY would have done so a long time ago

Originally posted by mountainquester
Stephen Hawkins has gone off the deep end since as anybody who has researched UFOs knows..THEY..have been here since the beginning of time and if THEY wanted to harm us THEY would have done so a long time ago

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Skeptics, please don't start calling Hawking names like you did with Edgar Mitchell.

Who is it that is calling Dr. Hawking names again?

reply to post by DoomsdayRex


You have to be joking.

Hawking has elevated the debate which is AWESOME!!

People are debating whether they're hostile or have they visited us. We are not debating whether they exist.

If you said that extraterrestrials exist on this board and others, you will here

"That's just wishful thinking"
"There isn't any evidence to support that claim"
"Santa"
"The tooth fairy"

What Hawking said is it's "rational" to talk about these things because it's "almost certain" they exist.

So Greer and others should be happy that Hawking elevated the debate but I understand they are saying we shouldn't fear them.

Again, we are not talking about whether they exist. Thanks Hawking.

I know pseudoskeptics like yourself will sink in the deep sea of absolutes but that's a good thing.

These things need to be talked about in a "rational" way based on the available evidence.

reply to post by Matrix Rising


Matrix, your long winded answer did not address my point at all. You said skeptics would make fun of Hawking for his opinion. As seen in this and other threads, it is the believers that have been insulting Hawking.

Again, you accuse me of saying extraterrestrials do not exist. Please provide evidence of this.

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Again, you accuse me of saying extraterrestrials do not exist. Please provide evidence of this.

Lol, you must define evidence first, there is a lot of people in this word who have big problems trying to understand what evidence is.

Originally posted by MonteroReal
Lol, you must define evidence first, there is a lot of people in this word who have big problems trying to understand what evidence is.

For the purposes of this discussion and Matrix's accusations, it should be self-evident what evidence is.

Is it not just me Matrix Rising has made this accusation of. She has accused the entire skeptical community (using skeptic and pseudoskeptic interchangeably) of claiming aliens do not exist. However, it should be clear there is no doubt in the scientific community that we are not alone. Matrix is attacking a caricature that only exists in her mind with no bearing on the real world; she is operating off a script and cannot deviate from that script, refusing to actually address what anyone says or even bothering to listen, all the while accusing others of being "closed-minded" and "pseudoskeptics".

The only true "pseudoskeptic" here is Matrix Rising.

reply to post by Matrix Rising


Keep in mind that, while the debate has moved from "are we being visited" to "should we hope to be visited", the point still stands that there's no proof that we have.

Hawking postulating about interstellar life is fun, and even while I agree with him on pretty much all points, it's still postulation. Life may be out there, and it even may have already found us, but there's still no proof of either. Hawking believes that there are living aliens, but he still bases all assumption on the thought that it's not been proven yet.

He also explicitly expresses that he doesn't believe we're being visited by any intelligent alien species.

Be careful where you put your proof stick, because there's no proof anywhere within Hawking's opinions.

reply to post by EsSeeEye


Keep in mind too that Hawkins' opinions are but one man's view. He is not the only 'intelligent' man around. There are far more distinguish than him.

And to claim that he had done more for UFOlogy than other guy is akin to being strewn with crumbs from the master's table.

It is condescending and an insult to humanity, if not for the hundreds of other credible UFO investigators researching and informing the public on the UFO phenomena for decades!

He only threw this crumb and joined the bandwagon due to the pressure and effects of such men who had been pushing for disclosure.

But even that crumb would not be necessary, for there is more than meets the eye in the comming months as scientists and fellow humnas who have more intergrity than the likes of him will be forthcoming to share their experiences, and in that flood, the elected representatives will have to do something.

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

For the purposes of this discussion and Matrix's accusations, it should be self-evident what evidence is.

Is it not just me Matrix Rising has made this accusation of. She has accused the entire skeptical community (using skeptic and pseudoskeptic interchangeably) of claiming aliens do not exist. However, it should be clear there is no doubt in the scientific community that we are not alone. Matrix is attacking a caricature that only exists in her mind with no bearing on the real world; she is operating off a script and cannot deviate from that script, refusing to actually address what anyone says or even bothering to listen, all the while accusing others of being "closed-minded" and "pseudoskeptics".

The only true "pseudoskeptic" here is Matrix Rising.

Is self-evident, but while skeptics understand what is evidence, proof, the people who accuses us of "closed-minded" dont.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Keep in mind too that Hawkins' opinions are but one man's view. He is not the only 'intelligent' man around. There are far more distinguish than him.

Great, who is more distinguished that Hawkins?

It is condescending and an insult to humanity, if not for the hundreds of other credible UFO investigators researching and informing the public on the UFO phenomena for decades!

Yes, so credible that they have years doing that and still dont provide one absolute and unquestionable evidence, only videos of blurry spots moving in the sky.

He only threw this crumb and joined the bandwagon due to the pressure and effects of such men who had been pushing for disclosure.

It seems there is always some kind of conspiracy, is just like the tale of the kid screaming "wolf".

But even that crumb would not be necessary, for there is more than meets the eye in the comming months as scientists and fellow humnas who have more intergrity than the likes of him will be forthcoming to share their experiences, and in that flood, the elected representatives will have to do something.

Years and always the same, integrity and a flood of evidence that never arrive.

Originally posted by EsSeeEye
reply to post by Matrix Rising

 

Keep in mind that, while the debate has moved from "are we being visited" to "should we hope to be visited", the point still stands that there's no proof that we have.

The main problem with this debate is that the proof has been hidden from us by our own government leaders and TPTB.

The fact that WE do not have access to the evidence does not mean that the evidence proving existence and interaction does not exist. It just means that our limited, Earthly, 3-dimensional, simpleton science cannot prove it exists in a manner that our Earthly, human minds and bodies can experience to perceive.

For example: Just because the U.S. Federal Reserve DOES exist in a building does NOT mean that there is gold in those buildings backing up the U.S. dollar. We are told by TPTB that is DOES exist, therefore we are accepting the word of what we are being told by those in control.

The same thing applies in reverse to Extra Terrestrials. TPTB tell us that E.T.'s do NOT exist and there is no proof of their existence, therefore we must believe what we are told by those in control.

It's all a system of control and Stephen Hawking saying "Aliens exist but we should fear them" is TPTB using this same system to control us through fear. This is all just part of a larger agenda to control us through fear to beg for the NWO to be put into place.

WHEN the E.T.'s make themselves known to the world, they will react in kind to how WE react to the exposure of their existence. React with violence and they will be violent. React with light & love and they will too. Act with caution and reservation and they will too. IF the E.T.'s are not violent, then there will be no need for our govt to retaliate and cause the planet's humans to beg for slavery under the NWO.

FYI: The Greys are really us in the future bending the time-space continuum to come back to our present time and correct what we have wronged with our own DNA. The abductions they do to harvest eggs and sperm are for the purpose of correcting DNA that has been damaged/altered. Accept this or don't. Believe it or don't. As The Oracle in The Matrix said, "You just have to make up your own damn mind."

Originally posted by Nivcharah


The main problem with this debate is that the proof has been hidden from us by our own government leaders and TPTB.

The fact that WE do not have access to the evidence does not mean that the evidence proving existence and interaction does not exist. It just means that our limited, Earthly, 3-dimensional, simpleton science cannot prove it exists in a manner that our Earthly, human minds and bodies can experience to perceive.

And what is the proof that the proof had been hidden?

Yes, you are right, no access doesnt mean it doesnt exist, but you are assuming for starters that the evidence is hidden by a conspiracy, that is only a premise you made because is what fit with what you want to believe.

For example: Just because the U.S. Federal Reserve DOES exist in a building does NOT mean that there is gold in those buildings backing up the U.S. dollar. We are told by TPTB that is DOES exist, therefore we are accepting the word of what we are being told by those in control. The same thing applies in reverse to Extra Terrestrials. TPTB tell us that E.T.'s do NOT exist and there is no proof of their existence, therefore we must believe what we are told by those in control.

So i must not believe to the people in control but i must believe to the ones who doesnt have control? why? because not having control means you are right?

It's all a system of control and Stephen Hawking saying "Aliens exist but we should fear them" is TPTB using this same system to control us through fear. This is all just part of a larger agenda to control us through fear to beg for the NWO to be put into place.

Hawkins didnt say we should fear them, he said we should avoid contact and i dont see what is the problem, hey, what if we find them before they find us? we can avoid contact until we know enough, is logical and wise, because not you and not me can know how an alien will think.

To us as species, our survival must come first, must come before any wishful thinking, because if they are not so good them we will need to fight.

WHEN the E.T.'s make themselves known to the world, they will react in kind to how WE react to the exposure of their existence. React with violence and they will be violent. React with light & love and they will too. Act with caution and reservation and they will too. IF the E.T.'s are not violent, then there will be no need for our govt to retaliate and cause the planet's humans to beg for slavery under the NWO.

So you know how are they and how are they going to react, hardly surprising, it seems a lot of the people who dream with the good aliens know everything about them.

So, if they are ubergood why they would attack us if we react bad? if they are bad why they would act nice if we are nice? those aliens are very bipolar, and it seems they are very like us, so thats a good reason to be careful.

reply to post by MonteroReal


Enough of these BS calls for 'proofs' based upon your own stubborness to accept reality.

What do you want me to do? Shoot down one of these crafts, courier it to your doorstep? Then what? Would you know what to do with it? Then what? You gonna call your mom over in person to see it because she aint gonna believe you over the phone? Then what? Get cam and start rolling, and then others telling you it is CGI? I can go on and on, but you'll get the point if you are not that thickheaded.

The millions of UFO witnesses can only report what they saw, and it would be up to the authorities who are in charge of our nation's soveriegnity and air space, as well as investigating abduction cases to do their job right and bring evidence to light.

But for 50 years, they had neglected their duties, either out of wilful ignorance or tacit cooperation with the owners of UFO to hide the truth from humanity. One may lie, but million others cannot process the same hallucinations. Truths can be manipulated but REALITY cannot be twisted.

Deny Ignorance!

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101


Enough of these BS calls for 'proofs' based upon your own stubborness to accept reality.

So reality is what you say? how is that different from the reality TPTB says it is?

What do you want me to do? Shoot down one of these crafts, courier it to your doorstep? Then what? Would you know what to do with it? Then what? You gonna call your mom over in person to see it because she aint gonna believe you over the phone? Then what? Get cam and start rolling, and then others telling you it is CGI? I can go on and on, but you'll get the point if you are not that thickheaded.

If they are coming i dont see why cant you shoot one, no need to courier to my doorsteep, im pretty sure you will have a lot of tv channels behind you and fighting to give the news!

The millions of UFO witnesses can only report what they saw, and it would be up to the authorities who are in charge of our nation's soveriegnity and air space, as well as investigating abduction cases to do their job right and bring evidence to light.

Yeah, the problem is you already make your mind, you already choose there is a light, the light is that they are coming and the goverment is hiding it, so it doesnt matter if there is not real proof, every blurry spot in youtube will be enough for you.

But for 50 years, they had neglected their duties, either out of wilful ignorance or tacit cooperation with the owners of UFO to hide the truth from humanity. One may lie, but million others cannot process the same hallucinations. Truths can be manipulated but REALITY cannot be twisted. Deny Ignorance!

The same again.

Deny Wishful Thinking!