Crop Circles, 2010 & Beyond: Ignore Denial?

Is it just me or have UFO sightings gone way down until recently. Almost as if they followed the CC season. Probably just me, but they seem to heat up in summer.

It is obvious that some CC's are man-made. What I think is questionable though is that these things have been appearing for years. Some have been extraordinary, but why has there been so few claimed?(actually only one or two that I am aware of)

Some of them are amazing art work with much deserved praise. Why would those humans who made them not come forward to claim their work? Even if it were 10 years ago, I am sure they would have pics or some proof of their work.

One more question........

Was there any final analysis on the Alien face/disc SETI based CC. Now that one was simply astonishing.

reply to post by judge360


Do my research?
www.circlemakers.org...
do yours many of those crop cirles are man made. And sometimes they use machinery. And for the most part they happen durring the day, and they do not take that long to make. Get a group of people with 6 foot boards to walk 100 yards. Congratulations you just made a crop circle as long as a foot ball field in under an hour. Do that 2 more times and you have a symbolic alien masonic light being triangle. Of course you can also get some machinery to help you out.
www.circlemakers.org...
www.circlemakers.org...
www.circlemakers.org...
www.circlemakers.org...
www.circlemakers.org...
Oh i know these guys go in and go over real crop circles with boards as part of some vast conspiracy.

[edit on 16-4-2010 by zaiger]

reply to post by zaiger


Yes I'm Familiar With Your CircleMakers Website LOL

Theyve Got No Evidence WHATSOEVER To Back Up There Claims

They Claim Theyve Done This Circle And That Circle

But They Dont PROVE IT!

Come On ffs

Please

[edit on 16-4-2010 by judge360]

reply to post by freelance_zenarchist

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Originally posted by freelance_zenarchist
Googling How to Make a Crop Circle produces about 612,000 results.

Googling how to sell snake-oil
produces about 172.000 results?

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Originally posted by Sol12
reply to post by freelance_zenarchist

 

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Originally posted by freelance_zenarchist
Googling How to Make a Crop Circle produces about 612,000 results.

Googling how to sell snake-oil
produces about 172.000 results?

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You're getting into the snake oil business now Sol12?
Well good luck with that!

reply to post by prevenge

Interesting post.

Originally posted by prevenge
i think humans from earth made them with satellite technology.

The most obvious reason for assuming that the so-called 'PTB'
are not responsible for the crop circle phenomenon
is the fact that their tool, the MSM, is entirely ignoring
this phenomenon, at best they are ridiculing it and telling
people to move along because there is nothing to see here?

If the 'PTB' were pushing some nefarious agenda
by making crop circles, they would have to let
the people know that crop circles exist and that
their origin and method of creation is unknown.

Well, they don't.

Only 'croppies' do.

For similar reason, and several others,
I am absolutely convinced that the infamous
crop circle below is man-made.

It is the only existing crop circle which
has received unprecedented wide-spread attention.

Another tell-tale sign is the fact that it depicts
a typical hollywood style dis-info 'grey'.


[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1632e53b019f.jpg[/atsimg]

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I like how everyone is like prove it's man made.... everyone that believes they are man made has been providing credible links.... but the other who believe they are not man made have provided nothing more than pictures LOL. And yet they want us to prove they are man made. Do your own research.

Here is how paranormal works..... You have to prove that it is paranormal, not prove that is not paranormal.....

reply to post by Reign02

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All I've seen so far is people providing links
to point out that some people make some crop circles.

I haven't seen anyone making a solid case for the
claim that all crop circles would be man-made.

As OnceReturned pointed out earlier,

Originally posted by OnceReturned
"The strongest case that can possibly be made from crop circles
is that their origins are unknown."

The mutual face-slapping re man-made vs not man-made
is rather pointless.

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Originally posted by judge360
reply to post by zaiger

 

Yes I'm Familiar With Your CircleMakers Website LOL

Theyve Got No Evidence WHATSOEVER To Back Up There Claims

They Claim Theyve Done This Circle And That Circle

But They Dont PROVE IT!

Come On ffs

Please

[edit on 16-4-2010 by judge360]

So when a crop circle appears a magic phone rings in their bat cave? Then they go down and take pictures of themselves making crop circles as part of the cover up. When you put it like that the alien thing does sound a bit more plausabe than the magic phone in the bat cave.

Believers, your case is weak!

Some crop circles are man made, you admit this. Then you go on to point out some circles which no one has claimed responsibility for and you say, "Look, it's so complex, it must be made by aliens!" How are you deciding what humans are capable of? Just using your intuition? You just have this sense that certain crop circles "seem" too complicated for humans to have made, and you call this proof of the ET explanation?

That's not how proof works! You can't claim that some circles are "too complex" for humans to make when you only base this claim on your intuition! Just because you're impressed by something does not mean that aliens did it. You can't just post a pic of a circle and call it proof of ETs and say, "you're telling me humans made this? yeah right!"

How can the evidence of ETs possibly be that crop circles are complex? Does that make sense even to you, believers? Do complex things only come from aliens? How do you know that humans couldn't make them - is it really just your intuition?

As I said before, even if you rule out humans - which you can't - all you are left with is an unknown. You can't make a better case for aliens than you can for magic, or people from the future, or mother earth expressing herself or whatever other thing anyone can make up. Your entire argument is based on ruling out the human explanation because you have a "sense" that the crop circles are too complex. Ruling out humans and proving aliens are not the same thing. Your argument does not suggest any explanation, it only attacks the human explanation, and it attacks it in literally the weakest possible way: no evidence, just intuition.

All that we know for sure is that crop circles exist, that some crop circles are made by humans, and that some crop circles are very complex. Isn't it infinitely more rational to just believe that humans made the unaccounted-for complex ones and didn't tell anyone than it is to think that aliens came from another planet and made them? Why appeal to such a complex theory: that there are intelligent aliens, that they have the technology for interstellar travel, that they came to earth, and that they drew stuff in some fields. There are so many parts of that theory, based on so many assumptions and so many unknowns . . . doesn't it sound like a rediculous stretch? Especially when you have this other perfectly good explanation that is simple and easy: humans did it, and sometimes people do things that are impessive, you can't imagine how they made such a large and complex circle in one night but stanger things have happened, somehow they did it.

If you look at a painting and the artist didn't sign it or take credit for it, do you think an alien made it? Do you think aliens made everything which people don't take credit for, especially the really impressive stuff? Of course you don't. There are plenty of impressive things which people made but didn't take credit for. It's completely unreasonable to jump to the ET explanation for these things.

reply to post by OnceReturned


I agree the argument is retarded. Some are man made but the rest must be made from aliens, or some are man made but the rest could be aliens. Yeah but the ones that "are not man made" could be dragons or unicorns.

An interesting thread, a good read! I don't think it's that un-reasonable to go with aliens.

A lot of these circles appear in Wilts, UK. To put it simply, I can't imagine many people who

A. Want to contend with a farmer, his shotgun & his dogs
B. Destroy thousands of pounds worth of crop without permission for a kick
C. Get put in a cell for destroying crops

I'm not saying the human element doesn't exist, I'm just saying the humans "doing this" are idiots. But I don't really dig the human element at all. The world is a small place and I've never met anyone that's made a crop circle, nor ever heard anyone speak of someone who has. No word of mouth at all. And anyone from a small countryside town in the UK knows how quickly rumours of anything can spread.

So no-one talks about it, who the hell are these people?

A. Complete loners? Major recluses?
B. Art students, who take SO much pride they don't even admit it 30 yrs on
C. Old man Macouszki from the pub who's drunk

No, I don't buy it. It could be a team of Dutch guys who fly over every year, make sure they 'dont exist' and do it for fun - I could buy into that There is obviously intelligence in a lot of the designs & although I wouldn't rule out natural phenomena - I don't think you'd like it if I said what about intelligent natural phenomena?

I mean seriously. Has there ever been a case of someone arrested for damaging crops to make a circle, cos there should be, surely, out of the hundreds, just one catch? Also a lot of circles happen close to roads and farm buildings - again, only a set of nutters would invade farm land to form a piece of art...

I want to bust this crop circle **** once and for all over the next couple of years, prove that there really is no-one going out making them, because people value their lives & their time...certainly in the UK. And the only way to prove that is to bring you evidence of aliens doing it!

[edit on 16-4-2010 by markymint]

reply to post by judge360

As pointed out in this thread

How about this one? July 2, 2009.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Couldn't be man made. Or could it?

On June 16, 2009 this was posted:

ok we are busy now, planning the next circle, which will be a Humming Bird on the south field outside the Old Goat (chizzerdek-the-stool-lickers pub) near Alton Barnes. see you there at 2am tomorrow. bring your cameras, and we are going to summon the High Fleet of Alien Space Command down to earth to "help" us all.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 4/16/2010 by Phage]

Okay, these things (most of them) are amzaing-no matter who made them but, lets leave the aliens/ufos out of it (for now).

I think there is money to be made in these-or advertisement value for ATS.

These beautiful and/or advance designs etc pieces of work and thier makers should be encouraged to begin a competion of some type-for $$$.

That would bring them out. Have the teams sign up, each given a ramdon area/field and they submit a design. Do it in broad daylight-helos above watching-video-LIVE TV even. A pre-agreed time is set and let them battle it out.

For $$$, art recognition, fame, personal pride-whatever. Do a live vote on a certain date and time.... And the winners are 1: Team South London Flatboards 2: South Central PA Amish Crop Crunchers and 3: The Tokyo Express Design team. And the $$$-All done like reality TV.

I am sure some of you more creative minds could have fun with that.

Anyway, just saying $$$ would bring them sneaky buggers out of the woodwork and settle this once and for all. 2 cents

reply to post by Sol12


Weren't crop circles debunked a few years back? Or was the debunking itself a hoax?

reply to post by Phage


If these people are posting when and where why wouldn't law enforcement be reading those sites and go and put a stop to it. I'm not sure but I bet the owners of the fields don't like their crops being destroyed. Are these people getting permission before they make a crop cirlce?

Originally posted by markymint


I mean seriously. Has there ever been a case of someone arrested for damaging crops to make a circle, cos there should be, surely, out of the hundreds, just one catch? Also a lot of circles happen close to roads and farm buildings - again, only a set of nutters would invade farm land to form a piece of art...

I want to bust this crop circle **** once and for all over the next couple of years, prove that there really is no-one going out making them, because people value their lives & their time...certainly in the UK. And the only way to prove that is to bring you evidence of aliens doing it!

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I'm with you, if people really are doing this why hasn't someone been caught in the act already. Another poster found a site where these people actually name the time and place for their next creation. Apparently it must not be a top priority for law enforcement.

reply to post by taccj9903

As I understand it some, if not many, of them do grant permission. I've heard that land owners then charge people to visit the circles.

reply to post by Phage


That makes sense, I'm sure it is a better way for a farmer to make more money to supplement what he/she gets from the crops.

How do circlemakers bend the plants more than 90º degree without breaking the stem. You could tell me why.

And why do research on those plants confirms that they have much more growth hormones on side of the stem than the other. Please realize this happens overnight.

This confirms that many crop circles are NOT manmade by simple circlemakers. It's not possible to bend the stems more than 45º without breaking them! Try to do it, next time you get into a wheat field!

Try it!

And them stems they stay that (curved) way and continue to grow.
See if you can do the same.

You guys are in illogical denial. Try to be more logic.



The phenomena requires either:
1) a unknown natural phenomena that challenges our laws of physics and biology (i.e. a kind of natural intelligence?)

2) secret man-made or alien advanced technology



Also tell me how you can make some ice and snow circles, without leaving traces or breaking the ice.

Do some research and open your mind to other possiblities. The whole thing started with two dudes in England that used 2x4s and a rope.... It takes up to 3-4 hours to do some of the most elaborate ones...... here is a wikilink en.wikipedia.org... look up somemore info....

[edit on 17-4-2010 by segurelha]