My Name is Jesus Christ

I find the notion of "faith" quite interesting, especially concerning religion. If, lets say a Christian, has faith in his religion and faith in his God, this person has a confident belief without proof or material evidence. Roughly around 2000 years ago, some people had faith in Jesus Christ, whilst others didn't. Those who had faith did not question him, they did not ask for proof.
Now I propose this question to those who rely solely on faith in their belief in God; if I was to claim to be the second coming of Jesus Christ himself, would your faith in your religion, your faith in God forbid you from questioning my claim to be your saviour. If you question my claim, does this mean you are denouncing your God, because your faith has been rattled and you do not believe me to be Jesus Christ, even though you don't know if I am, or am not he who I claim to be. When you ask for proof, or if you simply reply with, "I don't believe you", do you not therefore not believe in your religion or God, as you no longer have faith.
You may still have faith in God, but you do not have faith in me. But since I am Jesus Christ, the Son of God, (or so I claim) and your lack of faith has denounced me from your belief system, are you therefore denouncing God?


(BTW, I am not trying to belittle anyone's religion here, I am merely putting forth a question that I am interesting in hearing your answers to. )

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You may still have faith in God, but you do not have faith in me. But since I am Jesus Christ, the Son of God, (or so I claim) and your lack of faith has denounced me from your belief system, are you therefore denouncing God?

Ooooo...You are so clever.

The only comment I have for you is "sigh."

The claim makes the truth in your world.

You are a sad, sad individual.

Originally posted by dPD89
I find the notion of "faith" quite interesting, especially concerning religion. If, lets say a Christian, has faith in his religion and faith in his God, this person has a confident belief without proof or material evidence. Roughly around 2000 years ago, some people had faith in Jesus Christ, whilst others didn't. Those who had faith did not question him, they did not ask for proof.
Now I propose this question to those who rely solely on faith in their belief in God; if I was to claim to be the second coming of Jesus Christ himself, would your faith in your religion, your faith in God forbid you from questioning my claim to be your saviour. If you question my claim, does this mean you are denouncing your God, because your faith has been rattled and you do not believe me to be Jesus Christ, even though you don't know if I am, or am not he who I claim to be. When you ask for proof, or if you simply reply with, "I don't believe you", do you not therefore not believe in your religion or God, as you no longer have faith.
You may still have faith in God, but you do not have faith in me. But since I am Jesus Christ, the Son of God, (or so I claim) and your lack of faith has denounced me from your belief system, are you therefore denouncing God?

First, the Bible told us you were coming.


Second, it has also told us exactly what to look for - the signs, not only in the skies, but in society , govt. and our laws.

So I have to call "FAIL" on your claim.

That isnt denouncing God - that's denouncing a
a false prophet.

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He is NOT a sad individual for expressing an opinion that contradicts YOURS.

That is the very thing wrong with religion in the first place.

Shouldn't you be trying to convert him or something instead of calling him a sad individual and going about your business?

[edit on 1-4-2010 by MIMRblazin]

Originally posted by dPD89

Now I propose this question to those who rely solely on faith in their belief in God; if I was to claim to be the second coming of Jesus Christ himself, would your faith in your religion, your faith in God forbid you from questioning my claim to be your saviour.

Far from it. In fact Matthew ch24 specifically instructs us to question the claim of such a claimant in certain circumstances. The advice could be summed up as "If you have to travel somewhere to see him, he's a fake".
If you are already here, present in the world- that's how I know that you're not the real thing.

The Son of Man is supposed to come "as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west". I take this to mean "suddenly, and simultaneously visible to everyone". Since this is expected to lead straight into the Judgment, it would be glaringly obvious who he was, and the question of faith would not arise.

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unless...

PROJECT BLUE BEAM OMG

Here's a synchronicity. Just turned on the television. MASH is on. It's the episode where a wounded soldier claims he's Jesus Christ. Go figure...

Originally posted by MIMRblazin
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unless...

PROJECT BLUE BEAM OMG

I think I could tell the difference, but I've only just worked out how.
When Project Blue Beam arrives, there'll be a group of people standing with folded arms and saying "I don't believe a word of it, that's Project Blue Beam... this is all the NWO's work"
I assume that when the real thing arrives, conviction would be more total.

Originally posted by crmanager
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You may still have faith in God, but you do not have faith in me. But since I am Jesus Christ, the Son of God, (or so I claim) and your lack of faith has denounced me from your belief system, are you therefore denouncing God?

Ooooo...You are so clever.

The only comment I have for you is "sigh."

The claim makes the truth in your world.

You are a sad, sad individual.

There is no need whatsoever for sarcasm and petty insults. I would like a civilised discussion if at all possible.

Originally posted by nomorecruelty

Originally posted by dPD89
I find the notion of "faith" quite interesting, especially concerning religion. If, lets say a Christian, has faith in his religion and faith in his God, this person has a confident belief without proof or material evidence. Roughly around 2000 years ago, some people had faith in Jesus Christ, whilst others didn't. Those who had faith did not question him, they did not ask for proof.
Now I propose this question to those who rely solely on faith in their belief in God; if I was to claim to be the second coming of Jesus Christ himself, would your faith in your religion, your faith in God forbid you from questioning my claim to be your saviour. If you question my claim, does this mean you are denouncing your God, because your faith has been rattled and you do not believe me to be Jesus Christ, even though you don't know if I am, or am not he who I claim to be. When you ask for proof, or if you simply reply with, "I don't believe you", do you not therefore not believe in your religion or God, as you no longer have faith.
You may still have faith in God, but you do not have faith in me. But since I am Jesus Christ, the Son of God, (or so I claim) and your lack of faith has denounced me from your belief system, are you therefore denouncing God?

First, the Bible told us you were coming.

Second, it has also told us exactly what to look for - the signs, not only in the skies, but in society , govt. and our laws.

So I have to call "FAIL" on your claim.

That isnt denouncing God - that's denouncing a
a false prophet.

Thanks for the reply. Would you mind briefly going through the "signs" if it isn't too much to ask? Thanks.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the bible say that the devil would masquerade as the saviour? Guess that makes me the devil?
But do you have enough information from the text to distinguish between the two?

Originally posted by DISRAELI
Far from it. In fact Matthew ch24 specifically instructs us to question the claim of such a claimant in certain circumstances. The advice could be summed up as "If you have to travel somewhere to see him, he's a fake".
If you are already here, present in the world- that's how I know that you're not the real thing.

The Son of Man is supposed to come "as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west". I take this to mean "suddenly, and simultaneously visible to everyone". Since this is expected to lead straight into the Judgment, it would be glaringly obvious who he was, and the question of faith would not arise.

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Thanks for the reply.

Did people not travel to be cured by Jesus, or did Jesus go to them?

Also, can the English translation of the bible be trusted, or are you relying on the original text for your quotes? I ask because the lightning coming form the east, etc, could be interpreted in many different ways.



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Hi,

Im not religious and have very dear friends who are but, dam good question

S & F for that alone!

Be safe and be well, friend

The only thing that exists is thought. If you think God does not exist, then you will have a life where he is obviously non existent. If you believe that God does exist, and you walk the walk, then you will see him staring right at you.

If God exists to one person, then he exists to all. Lack of sight does not prove lack of existence.

Do we want a bunch of blind people telling everyone that the sun doesn't exist?




[edit on 1-4-2010 by manbird12000]

To be Jesus, you have to believe in Jesus.

Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are
Here's a synchronicity. Just turned on the television. MASH is on. It's the episode where a wounded soldier claims he's Jesus Christ. Go figure...

For those wanting proof of my claim, here we have it ladies and gentlemen.

Originally posted by manbird12000
The only thing that exists is thought. If you think God does not exist, then you will have a life where he is obviously non existent. If you believe that God does exist, and you walk the walk, then you will see him staring right at you.

If God exists to one person, then he exists to all. Lack of sight does not prove lack of existence.

Do we want a bunch of blind people telling everyone that the sun doesn't exist?




[edit on 1-4-2010 by manbird12000]

Ah yes, but that begs the common question of, "If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?" For something to exist, does it not need to be perceived? If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it not make a sound, because nothing is there to perceive the sound. " If God exists to one person, then he exists to all." Yes, but if that one person failed to believe in that God, does that God now not exist to anyone?

Originally posted by Nostradumbass
To be Jesus, you have to believe in Jesus.

And what leads you to assume that I do not believe in Jesus. Because I question the notion of faith? But are you not all questioning me, so do you, in turn, not believe in Jesus?



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They dont want to be saved.... they would rather destroy the whole world and themselves then live without their belief in God.

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Originally posted by dPD89
I find the notion of "faith" quite interesting, especially concerning religion. If, lets say a Christian, has faith in his religion and faith in his God, this person has a confident belief without proof or material evidence. Roughly around 2000 years ago, some people had faith in Jesus Christ, whilst others didn't. Those who had faith did not question him, they did not ask for proof.
Now I propose this question to those who rely solely on faith in their belief in God; if I was to claim to be the second coming of Jesus Christ himself, would your faith in your religion, your faith in God forbid you from questioning my claim to be your saviour. If you question my claim, does this mean you are denouncing your God, because your faith has been rattled and you do not believe me to be Jesus Christ, even though you don't know if I am, or am not he who I claim to be. When you ask for proof, or if you simply reply with, "I don't believe you", do you not therefore not believe in your religion or God, as you no longer have faith.
You may still have faith in God, but you do not have faith in me. But since I am Jesus Christ, the Son of God, (or so I claim) and your lack of faith has denounced me from your belief system, are you therefore denouncing God?


(BTW, I am not trying to belittle anyone's religion here, I am merely putting forth a question that I am interesting in hearing your answers to. )

[edit on 1-4-2010 by dPD89]

Originally posted by dPD89
... if I was to claim to be the second coming of Jesus Christ himself, ...

LOL, I've thought about this too, and not just as it relates to JC. I've also contemplated why people would not believe me to be an alien from a far away world if I told them I was. I eventually came to the conclusion that they wouldn't believe me because their biased expectations of what an alien should be would not match my profile.

So, I suppose the same would hold true for JC. "You ain't him, you're not what I was expecting or hoping for, therefor you are not my JC!" And the same for time travelers too. "Where's your time traveling machine, time travel can't be possible without a bunch of hardware to haul you around! You ain't no TT."

Good topic to think about.

Originally posted by dPD89



[edit on 1-4-2010 by DISRAELI]

Thanks for the reply.

Did people not travel to be cured by Jesus, or did Jesus go to them?

Also, can the English translation of the bible be trusted, or are you relying on the original text for your quotes? I ask because the lightning coming form the east, etc, could be interpreted in many different ways.




Yes, the first time round, they did go to see Jesus. The "Don't go to see them" advice is what he says on the subject of someone claiming to be the Returned version of him. The first time round, Jesus arrived into the world by being born and growing up; Christians are expecting the second arrival to happen in a different way.

Translations; well, I'm using the RSV. To me, Jesus is using a metaphor based on what lightning normally does, and what lightning nomally does is to light up the sky "in an instant". That's why I don't read anything into the actual direction of travel (as some people do, I think).


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Originally posted by itsawild1
WTF----go read the bible dumb brother then come back and post something that doesnt need to be thrown in the garbage, MAN OH MAN!

Would you mind contributing to the discussion, and leave your name calling at the front door please? This thread has nothing to do with the bible, rather the concept of faith.

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Not real...................................OMG I Will burn! How the hell do people believe!