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Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by Toot Sweet
Why is the leader of the movement associated to some of the major corporations in the country? The same companies, he claims, are orchestrating a rape and pillage campaign across the country.
US Department of Defense is among the associates too.
And before you say, "it's not that Clive", it is. The information is legit and most conspiracy sites are confused how a South African (specialised in anti-terrorism and CEO to major security firm in California) is the grand tutelage of American freedom and architect of the movement. Hmmm.
[edit on 3-4-2010 by infinite]
Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by daddio
As I have told you before also, the courts do not seem to understand thisl. Just because I and You and others know it to be true, does not mean that the government follows the rules. So if you are talking to me, I have already absorbed the info, but why should people that do not know be forced to a de facto contract that they do not even know exists?
So, instead of yelling. Leave a nice info comment with your normal links and move on.
The Articles of Freedom are not being 'sent' out to anyone.
Submitted by Anisha on Sat, 04/03/2010 - 10:56.
They will be hand delivered to each and every elected official April 19th after ceremonies at State Capitols across U.S.
I am MN State Coordinator for Articles of Freedom. Any 'letters' being sent out to elected officials by us are simply giving a head's up for the 19th and asking each one to meet with us in their respective rotundas after ceremonies. They will each be served this 65 page document and must sign receipt.
These 'Guardians of the Republic' are highly suspicious in the way they are attempting to usurp our 'due process of Constitutional law' efforts here.
The elders are Jimmy Carter, Nelson Mandela etc these are tri lateral commission people, these are the 'front' guys for the world bankers.
It appears they are using 'military' type deception tactics just as they did for 9/11, OK bomber, etc. They install a 'copy cat' type operation that causes people to be 'confused'. Please be aware of these 'tactics'. They are NOT transparent with the public. That is very,very telling.
Please know each and every American is personally responsible for their own due diligence, the political power is VESTED in each citizen, hence the Articles of Freedom allow for signing of the pledge.
You also know all the players, the organization We The People Foundation, the 14 egregious violations to the Constitution going back almost 100 years, Continental Congress 2009, what are the goals, non-violent participation, etc
Once millions sign on we will have the 'people power' that produce 'the bite' we need to put this government back under the law!
Due process of law is what will 'chain' all those who are acting outside the law. The 'teeth' are the non-violent civic actions, and 'the bite' is when you have 5% of our entire population acting in unison to withhold financial resources from the government until it is replaced back under the 'rule of law' throughout our entire bicameral system.
The bankers usurped the entire system over the years. The Articles of Freedom is a legal vehicle that when served to elected officials is putting each 'on notice' to cease and desist anything they are doing that is unconstitutional. They must follow through or else our entire system will shut down until all government is back under the law.
Americans, you must never, ever allow others to 'rescue' our country on your behalf. The power is vested in YOU! These guardians are acting in a 'rogue' fashion that is attempting to 'distract' you from exercising something powerful that is yours - vested interest- with your signature on the pledge.
That is a powerful act under our Constitutional law. But it requires a 'conscious' public to participate in it in order that due process be respected.
This is the death knell for world government. It will shut down the Federal Reserve. It will mean many in our government who have served outside interests will have to leave the country or face prosecution!!!
Please understand how extremely important this is. Do not be fooled by these 'tactics'.
Each American is being 'called' to do their 'due diligence' as legal citizens. Please sign the pledge.
—
www.CC2009.us
www.articlesoffreedom.us
Bob Schulz 165 minute Webinar
www.republicmagazine.com...
“Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and the Republic
for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has happened
once in 6,000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the
Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail,
there will be anarchy throughout the world.” Daniel Webster
March 27, 2010
Sen. Kirsten E. Gillibrand
Leo W. O’Brien Federal Office Bldg
1 Clinton Square, Room 821
Albany, NY 12207
Re: Delivery of the Articles of Freedom-April 19, 2010
Dear Senator Gillibrand:
On April 19, 2010, at 9 AM HST, 11 AM AKDT, 12 Noon PDT & MST, 1 PM MDT, 2 PM CDT, 3 EDT, groups of people will gather in the capital cities of all fifty states for the purpose of serving the Articles of Freedom on their two United States Senators, their member of the United States House of Representatives whose district includes their State Capital City, their Governor and the leaders of each house of their State Legislature.
The Articles of Freedom are the works of the Continental Congress 2009, a group of 116 citizen-delegates from 48 states who met in St. Charles, Illinois for eleven days in November (www.articlesoffreedom.us). Their purpose was to discuss fourteen major violations of the U. S. Constitution and to recommend a course of action to restore constitutional governance in America. The Articles of Freedom are rooted in the Constitution and provide remedial instructions to the federal and state governments.
On April 19, the people will participate in a brief ceremony that will include a prayer, the singing of the National Anthem, the Pledge of Allegiance, the American’s Creed, the Preamble of the Articles of Freedom, a Rededication to the Constitution and a Pledge to Hold Elected Officials Accountable to their Oaths of Office. Then, we wish to formally present you or your representative with your official copy of the Articles of Freedom. Should you decide that you are not able to attend, the People will walk to your office to deliver them.
We look forward to hearing from you at [email protected], 518-656-3578.
Sincerely,
Robert L. Schulz, First Delegate-New York
John Wallace, Second Delegate-New York
William Berg, Third Delegate-New York
Continental Congress 2009
Originally posted by Ionized
It sounds to me like you may have uncovered an attempt to discredit the movement.
Originally posted by Ionized
The specific treaties where not given name.
Originally posted by Ionized
reply to post by infinite
I am just posting this as a 'think out loud' exercise, trying to understand the connections that you and Libertygal have uncovered about this Clive guy. Please excuse any mistakes here, but so far you both have discovered that:
1) Information about him only appeared on the internet just this week, at the same time that the declaration was served.
2) the information found by tracing his websites allegedly ties him to DHS and large corporations. (note: www.gotfr.org is the original website that has been in existence for at least two months, however I noticed www.gotfr.COM appeared just this week, to my knowledge anyhow, i just noticed it this week, so are you tracing the right domain?)
3) it is being alleged that this is the guy who is behind the entire Restore America Plan (though I still do not get where this part is surmised, at all....)
Guardians of the Free Republics -
CopperCards++ - THE SOLUTION MATERIALIZES. As we speak across every Republic of the Union, Grand Juries are forming to recover America. The Restore America Plan with the internal backing and support of our military is utilizing true law to indict the bankers and corporate government and shut down the criminal enterprise that controls our courts and government. This is an astonishing movement and the fruition of the efforts and work of many of us Patriots who love and respect the Constitution for the United States of America. People who respect the sovereignty of we the people over and above that of the government, and the fact that our government employees are our servants under our authority should sign up today. This movement will rapidly bring back liberty!
Note www.gotfr.org and gotfr.com link to this site, these links are for convenience.
So, a spoof site is created by DHS and setup to look just like the original site (gotfr.com appeared just this week, to my knowledge, and is spoofing the original gotfr.org)
Tracing the spoof site shows ties to government ip addresses and some guy named Clive who is allegedly tied to DHS and large corporations.
This would lead people who do not realize it is a spoof site that showed up on the internet this week, to conclude that maybe DHS is behind this whole restore america plan, and that sam kennedy, tim turner, and the other 2 'elders' are simply government agents, all working for DHS in order to round up at least 26 people in each state, and then hundreds of others who will later be willing to sign the declaration?
It sounds to me like you may have uncovered an attempt to discredit the movement.
edit: please excuse any mistakes in my understanding of what you both are saying, as your information is spread between all the threads and has not really been directly worded into a concise, encompassing theory in a single post. If I am misunderstanding what websites you guys are tracing, and how this Clive guy is allegedly behind the entire restore america plan, then it is because this has not been clearly stated.
[edit on 3-4-2010 by Ionized]
It is so ordered year of our Lord two thousand and ten by the affixing hereto of each state's signatories numbering at least twenty-six souls, duly comprising the Page 8 of 20
De jure Grand Juries of the free American republics pursuant to The unanimous Declaration of the
General Orders
Norton A. Schwartz, a man occupying the office of Chief of Staff, United States Air Force, and all successors thereto
James T. Conway, a man occupying the office of Commandant of the Marine Corps, and all successors thereto
Robert Gates, a man doing business as United States Secretary of Defense, and all successors thereto Jane/John Doe, men and women occupying the offices of the United States armed forces and/or Department of Defense and to
all others to whom these orders must necessarily apply …
Whereas the People of the free American republics have been under military occupation since 1861 and various persistent unlawful States of National Emergency having been declared and perpetuated without interruption since 1933 such that “freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency” (para. 1, Introduction, Report 93-549 of the Special Committee on the Termination of the National Emergency, United States Senate, November 19, 1973)