April 19 1775 transitioning to April 19 2010

I am absolutely exhausted; I must get some decent rest tonight; none of this stay up until 3 AM researching, go to bed and back up between 7-8 AM, to start all over again.
I listened to the entire broadcast. Sam
gave an official email whereby one can join....what I want is an email wherein I can have some questions answered!
One of my concerns was the wording "North America"...this made me concerned that perhaps this Plan was a devious way to install a one-world government or at the minimum a NAU (North American Union). During the broadcast Sam read and stated, "...53 American Republics, then mentioned the 50 Governors..." He also said the words North America! Where does the number 53 come in??? This truly concerns me! Other concerns of mine are listed elsewhere in this thread.
I think I am going to send an email to the official "I want to join" email address, but ask my questions in it...see if I get a response.
Another thing Sam sad that bothered me was that people put the documents out on the web and shouldn't have. Why that bothers me is because where I first read the Plan was at Sam's own site, the now-broken link, that says Declaration ) (near bottom of yellow page). Perhaps it was just an oversight on his part...I don't know, but again, it bothers me.
Official "I want to join" email addy (although Sam said tonight it would take a long time to hear back, that they're swamped with email):
[email protected]

Also, someone at another site is concerned about the Sovereign ID perhaps being chipped. This had been a concern of mine, too, but I have failed to list it in my "concerns I have" list...thus showing me why I had better get some sleep. Another thing about this particular concern is that few people understand law...and people with bad intent know that!

I really want this to be the real deal; my research continues tomorrow!

reply to post by Habit4ming


I believe he is talking about all US territories. The 50 States plus Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa etc. I do not know where he came up with 53 though.

Thanks for all your research. I am thinking of making another thread on just the movement, with again all the links and info that back it up. Since all of the threads are getting huge again. So much info.

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what if i said 100 years ago i stated

its impossable for some bankers to trick us into acepting maritime law
in stead of common law in our courts

its impossable to trick congress into allowing a private bank to print our money for us at interest when we could do it ourself for free

two very small changes were made that have massive implications

both are true now both can very easily be changed back both benifit all PEOPLE instead of the corperations pretending to be govenment







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Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by Habit4ming

 

I am thinking of making another thread on just the movement, with again all the links and info that back it up. Since all of the threads are getting huge again. So much info.

I think another thread might be a good idea, a walk through on the movement, what we know thus far. It would be nice to get a timeline, not so much a calander of what will happen when, but a perspective on how this movement started and evolved until now. Provided of course that we can get that information in a factual setting as opposed to what or how we "think" the movement was concieved and evolved.
It would be interesting if Dr . Kennedy or someone in the organization who is "authorized", would post the relevant information into the forum. I know that's asking alot, but you never know, untill you know.

Maybe it's too much to ask, however we've seen Mr. Boustred correct the defamation in those two hit pieces (I won't bother to name them again here, there's no profit in that).
Perhaps if we approached the movement enmass and asked for a brief biography from "their" perspective rather than from what we can glean from the web. We've all seen where that's led and I think that should be avoided in a new thread.
I realize it's the " nature of the beast" when doing Internet searches that there's as much or more erroneous information gleaned as factual data. That being said, it would be nice to archive the data we have from the movement in a chronological fashion in one setting.
I know what I've stated here is particularly daunting, but I don't think it needs to or should fall on any "one" set of shoulders.

Thank you
YouSir

Original post with working links:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Okay I know I said I was done, but I just cannot help but to post this information.

During a search, I found several court documents, because Clive Boustred is a paper tiger, he files lots and lots and LOTS of lawsuits, and for huge amounts of money. So far, I have seen he won one, but the rest I can find are all denied.

Getting to the point here

He owns multiple corporations. You can search for these yourself, if you do not believe it.

The main ones that caught my attention were these:

Live, Inc.

Get It Real, Inc., Nevada

Christ's Gold, Inc, Nevis, West Indies

I ask you, for someone who espouses all that he does, and "they" do, about the US being a coporation, why in the world does he own so *many*?

And get this.

Christ’s Gold. Corp. Nevis
Address: CO Morning Star Holdings, Main Street.
Charlestown. Nevis, West Indies

sccounty01.co.santa-cruz.ca.us...


74.54.128.50...


Shareholders & Shareholder Records
Shareholder records shall be maintained electronically by the Company and integrated with the IT-AT™ trading system.

The following major shareholders are on record as of March 15, 2001

Christ’s Gold, Corp – 415,000,000 shares

Live, Inc. – 103,500,000 shares

The Founder donated the “Founders Take” to Christ’s Gold, Corp. A company that will give away what would ordinarily have been the founders. Christ’s Gould’s Mission: “To make the world a better place, showing respect for all creation, while operating with complete integrity, in God’s love.”



He is donating the money to HIMSELF!

and it gets better!

He is sending his monies to an offshore haven!

Remember CO Morning Star Holdings, Main Street.
Charlestown. Nevis, West Indies

?
Morning Star Holdings
from their website:


NEVIS1.COM The Original "Non-Tourist-Trap" Guide To Nevis, West Indies



the whois is as follows:

whois.domaintools.com...

Registrant:
Toledo Computer Repair LLC
4030 West Bancroft Rd
Suite A
Toledo, Ohio 43606
United States

Domain Name: NEVIS1.COM
Created on: 10-Sep-96
Expires on: 09-Sep-17
Last Updated on: 17-Sep-08

Administrative Contact:
Maxson, Michael
Toledo Computer Repair LLC
4030 West Bancroft Rd
Suite A
Toledo, Ohio 43606
United States
4195357972 Fax -- 4195357972

Technical Contact:
Maxson, Michael
Toledo Computer Repair LLC
4030 West Bancroft Rd
Suite A
Toledo, Ohio 43606
United States
4195357972 Fax -- 4195357972

Domain servers in listed order:
NS51.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS52.DOMAINCONTROL.COM


So it an offshore company that proclaims themselves to be a =n offshore haven

www.google.com...


Nevis and Saint Kitts Offshore Investments and Tax Havens. Morning ...Morning Star Holdings Limited is the oldest and largest company formation and registered


From their website:


Morning Star Holdings Limited adheres to due diligence standards followed in the major offshore jurisdictions.



Go to the Secretary Of States office and indeed, there is a registrant in Toledo, Ohio.

www2.sos.state.oh.us...

fronting for

Christ’s Gold. Corp. Nevis
Address: CO Morning Star Holdings, Main Street.
Charlestown. Nevis, West Indies
_________________________________________


Document for Live, Inc.

nvsos.gov...

Status: Permanently Revoked

_________________________________________

Document for Get IT Real, Inc. of Nevada

nvsos.gov...

Status: Revoked File Date: 3/13/2000
Type: Domestic Corporation Entity Number: C6747-2000
Qualifying State: NV List of Officers Due: 3/31/2007
Managed By: Expiration Date:
NV Business ID: NV20001237859 Business License Exp:


Registered Agent Information

Name: CORPORATE SERVICE CENTER, INC. Address 1: 5190 NEIL ROAD SUITE 430
Address 2: City: RENO
State: NV Zip Code: 89502
Phone: Fax:
Mailing Address 1: Mailing Address 2:
Mailing City: Mailing State: NV
Mailing Zip Code:
Agent Type: Commercial Registered Agent - Corporation
Jurisdiction: NEVADA Status: Active

View all business entities under this registered agent

Financial Information

No Par Share Count: 0
Capital Amount: $ 10,000.00
Par Share Count: 100,000,000.00
Par Share Value: $ 0.0001


Officers Include Inactive Officers

President - CLIVE BOUSTRED
Address 1: 210 SUNCREST DR Address 2:
City: SOQUEL State: CA
Zip Code: 95073 Country:
Status: Active

www.libertyforlife.com...


Get IT Real Franchise Program

A highly competitive professional real estate company bootstrap package that leverages all the advantages of “The New Way to Real Estate™” and the MVLS™.

The Get IT Real Franchise program is designed for new real estate companies. It includes all the great technology provided in the MVLS™ Member Program plus a whole lot more.

It is necessary to qualify for the Get IT Real Franchise program. Get IT Real Franchises are required to meet the highest standards of service, quality and integrity. The program provides a new business methodology and practice that significantly increases levels of service and the bottom line, while providing more secure income and retirement benefits for the team.



He deals in real estate.

Wow. People, wow.

Real Esate, an Offshore bank, US front companies. What more conspiracy could anyone ask for?!

I really AM done now, cause this is getting into deeper waters than I wish to tread further upon.

Toodles.


ETA - original article

[edit on 5-4-2010 by Libertygal]

reply to post by Libertygal

It would appear more that they are trying to keep the fact that Clive is involved hidden. This leads one to ask a simple question. Why?

Probably because he is such an easy target to the likes of you. Speaking an untruth is not a mark of evil. We live in a complex world in which truth and untruth can serve either side. My estimation of this particular untruth is that transparency will come when this movement is not as susceptible to attack from its enemies.

My attitude is wary, cautious, and suspicious, not unforgiving. People have a background, and regardless of forgiving them, it sure doesn't mean to blindly forget.

This is the appropriate attitude for an enemy, not a friend. I don't think I even have to comment on the "shoot first, ask questions later" mindset that you support. It is, quite simply, uncivilized.

Why is it that every time something that is alleged to be "good for us" gets funnelled into somehow putting money into someone elses pocket?

Because, at the moment, money runs the world. He who has it can act, and he who doesn't cannot. In order to head up a movement, capital is necessary.

I don't expect to change your mind on anything, Libertygal. I don't have the spare time for that. What I do hope, however, is for other ATS readers to observe that every single piece of genuine information you discover about this movement seems to be presented in tandem with your own paranoid spin.

I don't ask you to cease providing hopelessly biased content. I post because I want everyone to be aware that you are doing it.

Feel free to fear every footstep you hear around the corner. Feel free to get angry when you hear the shuffling of money. Feel free to invent convoluted conspiracy schemes based on insufficient data. But do not be surprised when it turns out that there was a reason for it all, and that the secrecy actually was necessary.

If you imagine that the NWO lurks behind every corner, then you will see them everywhere. Don't you know that beliefs create reality?

I don't advocate blind trust. But I also don't advocate unfounded paranoia.

reply to post by XPLodER


reply to post by endisnighe


what if i said 100 years ago i stated

its impossable for some bankers to trick us into acepting maritime law
in stead of common law in our courts

its impossable to trick congress into allowing a private bank to print our money for us at interest when we could do it ourself for free

two very small changes were made that have massive implications

both are true now both can very easily be changed back both benifit all PEOPLE instead of the corperations pretending to be govenment
.........................................................................

Xploder, what you have said here is true. I joined the Liberty/Freedom movement a few years ago and have learned so much! However, I still have much to learn.
Everything Sam said on his broadcast last night and their premises I've read online about how we became incorporated instead of De Jure (Civil War, 1933, etc) agrees with what I have learned the past two years.
My concerns are, especially since I'm not a lawyer, that this may just be an attempt to SEAL corporate control of USA and perhaps other countries, as well. "We" already know that USA is run by corporations. Just because truth is being spoken doesn't mean it's being spoken for WE THE PEOPLE's benefit. Ever notice the "pretty" titles of bills Congress passes? They sound so nice, but are generally the opposite of what they're supposed to be!
I still need more sleep I can tell; I am still having difficulty expressing myself! TPTB generally have a Plan A and a Plan B...I don't want the RAP to be a Plan B.
I also got a little nervous when Sam mentioned Glenn Beck show! My God, he is such a paid shill! He speaks partial truth, then twists things around!
Anyway, I may put off until tomorrow that email I want to send asking questions. I would like to add that I know not all corporations have evil intent; I also see nothing wrong with them making a profit--that is what they are in business for...I just disagree with corporations making profit, harming humanity! (Monsanto, Big Pharma, etc.) I am also certain that the RAP Elders know, or should know, that there are those who are still "asleep"; there are those who know something is wrong, but can't put their finger on just what is wrong (Beck/et al followers); then they are those who are awake and are very cynical!
Okay, that's it for now...I am rambling! Thanks everybody...

As long as this can all wait untill the 19th, I'm happy. April 18th Happy Birthday to Me!

Bye-bye dirty chi, Look who's 33!

Just made that up. I should write for Hallmark.

Okay, peeps I have discussed and cussed with you on this thread and others. All of these things you are stating in regards to DNS servers etc etc etc. I and many others know how to use computers, know how to use software, know how to use many different things.

Here is the deal, let me state that I am more of a jack of all trades, not a specialist, except maybe construction codes and management. All of these things that you trace back could be ancient Aramaic to me or others. Also, if you think any of the alphabet agencies are listening in or even doing some CoIntelPro activities, it would be simple for them to hijack the link between servers or such and then reroute and blah blah blah to make it look like anything.

Why do I know this to be true, even though I am not a computer nerd per se, because if I was a computer nerd working for the gubment, I would do things just like I stated.

All I am saying is that I will take things as unconfirmed unless I hear it from the horses mouth. Meaning, I will trust the words of the movements before I trust things like innuendo, suppositions, trace backs (or whatever you are doing), etc etc etc. Now, if the FBI, NSA or another alphabet soup gets on the MSM and states something with verifiable evidence, I will take that as evidence. Which of course we all know they will not do. That is not their way. They like to destroy movements like the TPM by co-opting, defamation, provocateurs etc etc etc.

In other words, our gubment is not honest. They have not been more many decades.

I am not attacking anyone, I will hope that these movements are genuine. As for others, do not sign on to anything and especially do not spend money. If these are legitimate movements, yes, they will need funds for their efforts. But, anyone attempting to require money for just getting info should not be trusted.

One more thing, if anyone is too damn paranoid to trust no one, how the HELL do you expect to change anything. Also, if our gubment is so damn corrupt and evil that you believe that something is going to happen to you just because you are discussing things online, you should get off the internet and do something else.

I will speak my mind and if the damn gubment wants to come and get me, they have my IP address and they can contact my ISP to get my address in about 1 minute. No big damn deal.

Just quit the fear mongering and innuendo. If you do that your evidence would be much more credible.

God Bless and Peace.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

Be a information soldier, in an Army of one. Where no one can follow, only lead. The endisnighe.

I'm still too exhausted to deal much with this topic today. I will include one small audio I found, though. It was provided by 4luvofliberty at Daily Paul. "You" need only listen from about 43:40 on. A caller-in asks about RAP and the interviewer does NOT give a good review of RAP. Honestly, to me it sounds like sour grapes, but I could be wrong. The interviewer says RAP is about violent overthrow of the government. Huh? Everything I've seen and heard stresses a peaceful restoration and forgiveness. The interviewer says the RAP is controlled by the military and they want war, that that's what they're all about. Although not specified, I took it to mean the Elders want war. The interviewer also says that the Jurors take an oath to give their "soul" to the Guardians. Huh? Every document I've read, including the Sample of the Covenant of Office signed by each Juror, affixed with thumbprint, stresses our Creator. Before I forgot, I'm not sure, but the audio appears to be by hjrbonds, another restoration project. I don't know if they are affiliated with oursammie or not...I have done zero research on either project. It appears there may be 4 projects going on at one time--including the Article of Freedom, by Bob Schulz...
Here's the link to the Covenant, taken by each Juror:

educationcenter2000.com...

Here's the link to the audio by hjr bonds:

www.hjrbonds.com.../2010.03.25.mp3

reply to post by endisnighe


Awesome thread as per usual.

Great work putting all of this information into one thread, if I may, I would like to add one tidbit here:

TITLE 28 > PART VI > CHAPTER 176 > SUBCHAPTER A > § 3002

(15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;

For anyone who may be doubting as to whether or not the United States is a Corporate Entity, then please doubt no longer.

The United States Code hath spoken.

Some interesting info here:

reply to post by dalan.


Hey, you cannot break it to the public that way.

We are free, we are not slaves, we do not owe anybody anything, we are "United States persons"

See this thread-Tell me, are you a person, citizen, resident, corporation or a HUMAN BEING?

(a)When used in this title, where not otherwise distinctly expressed or
manifestly incompatible with the intent thereof—
.....(30) United States person
.....The term “United States person” means—
..........(A) a citizen or resident of the United States,
..........(B) a domestic partnership,
..........(C) a domestic corporation,
..........(D) any estate (other than a foreign estate, within the meaning of paragraph ..........(31)), and
...............(E) any trust if—
....................(i) a court within the United States is able to exercise primary ....................supervision over the administration of the trust, and
....................(ii) one or more United States persons have the authority to control all ....................substantial decisions of the trust.

reply to post by Habit4ming


i have seen so many people state "im not a lawer"

well im not either and this is a MAJOR point

the people who set this whole corperate scheme rely on that fact

they constructed a new language to keep you in the dark about your real

PERSONAGE AND SOVERIGNTY

funny as it sounds corperate life is all contract law

two small changes are required

1.people must realize the corperate nature of there enslavement because slaves that think there free wont ever strive to be free

2.debt money is the shackles bars and locks that hold us in bondage
its as simple as free soverign free people printing value money for the people

and heres a simple way to look at this fact

THE FIRST GROUP TO BE ISSIUED THE VALUE MONEY ARE THE ONES GETTING ALL THE BENIFIT OF ITS USE

example
banks get debt money and are alowed to expand its value by fractional reserve banking practice turning debt into more debt but with interest
the poeple are calateral on this transaction/loan

when value money is printed you cannot expand the debt so the value is in the people who are making working and using the currency if you are the calateral how much interest would you charge yourself to borrow against your self ?

well the trick of maths is this story

a wise elder invented a game like chess for a king, the king said how much money would you like for your reward
the wise man said
place one peice of grain in the first square and increase the amount by a factor of three for every square on the board

well the amount owed to the wise man was more grain than in the entire kingdom

this is the effect of fractional reserve banking coupled with compounding interst ever increasing amounts of debt

the EXACT same thing happens with value money except the more the money is spent between people the more it benifits the whole population not the person you owe the debt money debt to (the fed and the banks

XPLodER

reply to post by Habit4ming


we have been slaves to the corperate machine now for generations

all countries are enslaved

please watch these two vids to gain perspective on the two main points i was making (vids are easyer to get your head around

its an illusion vid (thanks again hawkeye :up explains corperate enslavement
www.tpuc.org...


and fractional reserve banking why this monetary policy enslaves us to debt
www.youtube.com...

XPLodER

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by Habit4ming

 

i have seen so many people state "im not a lawer"

well im not either and this is a MAJOR point

the people who set this whole corperate scheme rely on that fact

they constructed a new language to keep you in the dark about your real

PERSONAGE AND SOVERIGNTY

funny as it sounds corperate life is all contract law

two small changes are required

1.people must realize the corperate nature of there enslavement because slaves that think there free wont ever strive to be free

2.debt money is the shackles bars and locks that hold us in bondage
its as simple as free soverign free people printing value money for the people

and heres a simple way to look at this fact

THE FIRST GROUP TO BE ISSIUED THE VALUE MONEY ARE THE ONES GETTING ALL THE BENIFIT OF ITS USE

example
banks get debt money and are alowed to expand its value by fractional reserve banking practice turning debt into more debt but with interest
the poeple are calateral on this transaction/loan

when value money is printed you cannot expand the debt so the value is in the people who are making working and using the currency if you are the calateral how much interest would you charge yourself to borrow against your self ?

well the trick of maths is this story

a wise elder invented a game like chess for a king, the king said how much money would you like for your reward
the wise man said
place one peice of grain in the first square and increase the amount by a factor of three for every square on the board

well the amount owed to the wise man was more grain than in the entire kingdom

this is the effect of fractional reserve banking coupled with compounding interst ever increasing amounts of debt

the EXACT same thing happens with value money except the more the money is spent between people the more it benifits the whole population not the person you owe the debt money debt to (the fed and the banks

XPLodER

Raise em up!!

The only revolution that will solve these issues will be a Marxist revolution, done peacefully on mass and with a vanguard protecting them and furthering the cause.

Read up.

reply to post by ghostsoldier


i do not advocate revolution
i do not advocate marxism

i do advocate education on the means of enslavement by way of an unlawfull corperation forcing contract law on people

i do advocate taking the power to coin real currency with the benifit for the people not the banks

XPLodER

Originally posted by ghostsoldier

The only revolution that will solve these issues will be a Marxist revolution, done peacefully on mass and with a vanguard protecting them and furthering the cause.

Read up.

That is exactly what the POWERS THAT BE are hoping for, a Marxist revolution they will be in control of. In case you've never heard of the "Holodomor", the Ukrainian Holocaust where 7 million were starved to death by Stalin, may I suggest you read up on history a bit ?

A Marxist Revolution is a non solution to the problem.

"Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them."---George Santayana

Soviet Engineered Famine in the Ukraine 1933

Google Video Link

[edit on 6-4-2010 by zzombie]

I don't have much to add today, except thanks for the links, Xploder. Someone at another site reports that the problem about NJ has been rectified/solved. The documents list the last New Jersey Governor, not the current one. I am wondering if it wasn't rectified, would that negate the whole Plan?
I am thinking that there's not too much more I can do to be able to ascertain not only the legitimacy of this Plan, but whether it was instituted by true Patriots. I am hoping for the best, I want it to be real; some things I will be checking for is having the flags change in courthouses and other places, announcements that a Governor(s) has/have resigned, official paperwork changing...little things like that. Across the Internet this topic appears to be dying down a little bit, but I will post anything new I find. Oh, I did not send that email asking questions yet, probably tomorrow or the next day. I finally did get some decent sleep last night, but think another good night's rest is in order...so that I'm able to express my questions clearly.

Here's a video I found and posted at the Daily Paul:
This short video by Gary Franchi, of The Reality Report, says "we" should be especially careful of a False Flag Terror event on April 19th, and why! He lists many false flag past operations and even mentions the RAP Plan...

blip.tv...

reply to post by XPLodER
You mentioned all the people saying ' I am not a lawyer'.

It is a sad state of affairs when you need to be a lawyer and speak fluent 'legalese' to understand the details of how you are being screwed by your leaders in Congress.

I do know this, you don't need to be a lawyer to know your are no longer FREE.