South Korean navy ship sinks, North link played down

Originally posted by smurfy

Originally posted by Envisionimage
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After an engagement we were involved in, upon searching the remains of 2 men, we found Iranian passports and id's that clearly stated they were from Iran... But I'm sure that W.Z.N would chalk that up to more false flag propaganda and hey were probably trained in CIA HQ in VA

[EDIT FOR LINK] - My unit wasn't the only one to find Iranians fighting there either
www.cbsnews.com...

[edit on 26-3-2010 by Envisionimage]

Okay, I'll rephrase the question, were they indigenous Iranians as per the id's, with no particular Arab friends, especially Iraq.

Not sure if I understand the question clearly still but It's hard to say to be honest, I'm sure there were Iraqis with them, but the Id's and passports they carried were legit, but we weren't able to question them as dead men tell no tales... But if I were to guess (I have a few Iranian friends here in the states)
they looked Iranian, had the id's to match.. SOOOooo I'm guessing they were, yes.

North Korea needs to go down. The Chinese Know it the Russians know and the Americans know it.


A Nuclear armed outcast the world could do with out.

I don't think there is anything false flag about this. The U.S. has had more than a dozen reasons in just the past year to justify a strike-first mission. N Korea also does not have the massive type of payload that Iran has (OIL). This could turn ugly really fast. Let's hope for the best. This is my first comment on this wonderful site. Nice place you all have here.

My family was in the last Korean war... Won some battle honours there (Gloucestershire Regiment-glorious glosters)... But going to Seoul last year myself I had such a great time.. The people are soo funny... Even though it was freeeeezing cold.... I still had a lot of fun.... Even laughed at their attempt at english in the 5 star hotel I was in, in the hotel guidelines for air raids and attacks.... But Starbucks being open at 2am more than made up for that...

Korea Rocks!! Can't wait to go back.... In the summer next time lol...

I have been visiting ATS for a long time(probably 5 years now), and it's my first post.

I had a couple thoughts on this whole thing.

When I was reading this at work today, I thought to myself, that MAYBE it was possibly China that sprouted this. I myself believe that most wars, or every one of them for that matter, is for financial gain, whether it be for resources, military placement, etc.(the list can go on forever)

So my thought was....maybe China did this in order to cause a huge fiasco, start a war between the North and South, and in turn, sell weapons, or more weapons to N. Korea. Everyone knows that China likes to sell stuff!

Here's another twist. Even if it was N. Korea that gave the order to sink the ship deliberately, I would think that Russia, China, the US, would be telling S. Korea, to just leave it alone. The reason why I say this, is simple. If the South and North go to war, I couldn't even imagine what the outcome would be, other then "hell on earth". Mind you, that we're almost there, but I think that this would be a total catastrophe on every single front. I would even go to the extent of saying that if the South strikes back, it would lead to WW3.

It's becoming a bit more clear that major news/media are not saying anything other than, it's being investigated, as there has been no official response from the South Koreans that it was a provocation from the North. Which again, I would think that if N. Korea truly did it, they would have glady announced it by now, or there would have been an immediate response from the South.

I don't know. That's my take though.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
North Korea needs to go down. The Chinese Know it the Russians know and the Americans know it.


A Nuclear armed outcast the world could do with out.

Is taking a nuke balls deep in a South Korean city it worth it?
Because you know that's what will happen the moment the North is attacked.

Some speculate they don't have the payload capability but I tell you what... This crazy fool has TESTED nukes, you think the haven't strapped one to a short range rocket!???.....

reply to post by CanadianDream420
They don't even need rockets/missles, they can deliver the nuclear gift basket via artillery shells.

But that isn't what concerns me. What concerns me is when Kim releases the sharks with lasers strapped to their frickin' heads.

reply to post by Envisionimage
Thanks for your repy, Smurfy.

reply to post by CanadianDream420



Setting all ego aside...


That's a fair question. If North Korea wants to go toe to toe with the US we are more than ready. The Korean war never ended. You understand that right? When it's done and it will be quick and messy the Korean peninsula will be a hell of a lot better off. IMNSHO

Let's hope this is not an another Bay of Tonkin.

Overall, I think that there is a reason why a NK sub was within range of a SK boat.

Given the amount dead and missing, The reports of an explosion at the bottom aft end of the ship I would place money on a torpedo. South Korea's navy is a well disciplined and maintenance one. For this ship to sink this fast something powerful had to punch a big hole in it.

Obama is to happy parading his missile treaty with Russia, He will not let anything like this spoil his day. With the ease of this agreement with Russia I can tell you he gave more of our best weapons away while Russia will scrap old ones and make newer better missiles. Shocker isn't it.

If it is confirmed the ship was indeed struck by a torpedo then technically the U.N. has to do something about it. We know they wont and South Korea will have to go it alone with some help if any from the U.S., Maybe Japan with Australia will help them out but I don't think Obama has the spine for anything this serious. Obama is not possessed by the devil YET.

Look out for an Iranian distraction to pull the U.S. attention away from Korea and then the North will launch an all out invasion of the South. I read that in a book many many years ago and China was behind the whole thing.

Originally posted by harrytuttle
reply to post by CanadianDream420

 

They don't even need rockets/missles, they can deliver the nuclear gift basket via artillery shells.

But that isn't what concerns me. What concerns me is when Kim releases the sharks with lasers strapped to their frickin' heads.

They would have more luck trying missiles because you need some high tech to make them small enough for artillery shells. They can load one on a Scud right now if they are crazy enough.

I watched a show the other night about Japans secret nuke program during WWII. Guess where they tested one? Right where North Korea did their test. Japan had taken over Korea and was using the North as its secret nuke program base if you can believe that. That would explain how Russia got their hands on a nuke so fast after us. They invaded North Korea when the Japs surrendered and left.

This could also be another Gulf of Tonkin incident. Sounds a little fishy. With satellite coverage in that area I doubt the ship is unidentified. Time will tell as it does with everything.

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If this was indeed NK attacking a SK boat, then im with you on the statement that china pushed this from behind.

But not for monetary gain.

While the world has been in a coma' type state with all this terrorism BS, china has quiety put its pieces in place.

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Nah I dont think its like that, there's been many different instances that could have easily been used as justification.

No need to create one when NK are quite content at doing it regularly

i bet you guys anything, its going to turn out to be a mine from the korean war days. even if its not, it has to be. just so everyone can shut the hell up.

nothing is going to happen from this although a lot of us are hoping for world war 3, i'm going to say it isn't so. we'll have to wait until someone gets nuked and we know who indefinitely before the world is in turmoil again.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
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If this was indeed NK attacking a SK boat, then im with you on the statement that china pushed this from behind.

But not for monetary gain.

While the world has been in a coma' type state with all this terrorism BS, china has quiety put its pieces in place.

It's much greater than that though. We are ranked as #1 in the world of military strength, the problem is, we're scattered across the globe right now fighting terrorism, rebuilding Iraq, Afghan, etc., and all of the other crappy excuses we get from our government on why we're fighting on land, we shouldn't be on in the first place.

With that said, we don't have the power at this point, to fight yet another war (if that were to be the case with China, or for that matter N. Korea), without a draft. My opinion is simply, we're so spread thin right now that if things were to come to a head with either China or N. Korea, I believe that someone will obviously get brought in the war as well, which is why I think that it could possibly lead to WW3, especially if there are nukes involved. It would likelly cause such a stir that Japan(they don't like N. Korea, and N. Korea most certainly can't stand Japan).

This is a very scary situation, and I hope it's squashed by the superpowers, as if it is N. Korea playing hardball with S. Korea, we won't just sit around and watch them get crushed, and neither will Japan, or any other of her allies.

With everything that is going down as of late (Israel, Iran, Afghan, Palestinians, our deficit, etc., as yet again the list can go on forever), it could erupt into a situation that I myself, can't even fathom what the outcome would be.

Let's face it. If you look around the globe on the number of events that have occurred over the course of the past few years, I feel that 'something', is about to erupt on a much grander scale than any of us could even imagine.

Let's just hope for the best, that it is squashed.

There is a picture on this news site, i don't know if its from this incident though.




www.worldbuzznow.com...

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Guys it appears that North Korea sinking the ship is now unlikely.....


NORTH KOREA LINK UNLIKELY

officials said it was unlikely to have been the result of an attack by Pyongyang.

So really so what did this then?

"An unidentified reason caused a hole in the ship, which led to its sinking. Currently 58 have been rescued out of the total 104 on board. Rescue efforts are under way," the ministry said.

I'm sure that ship was modern and well-equiped with radars and electronics. So you really don't know what or who did this?
C'mon take a guess!

"The ship fired a warning shot at an unidentified object, and the object was later suspected to have been a flock of birds. But we are checking," it said.

Oh! Did the birds dropped the torpedo? This is either black project or extra-terestrial.

So what did this?

Originally posted by DOADOA
i bet you guys anything, its going to turn out to be a mine from the korean war days. even if its not, it has to be. just so everyone can shut the hell up.

nothing is going to happen from this although a lot of us are hoping for world war 3, i'm going to say it isn't so. we'll have to wait until someone gets nuked and we know who indefinitely before the world is in turmoil again.

And I would place my bet on the whole "mine from the korean war days" as well. If I were a superpower, I'd be saying that right now to S. Korea, even if they did present proof that it was an attack from the North.

But really, everyone shutting the hell up (as you so eloquently put it), probably won't happen, but I wish you the best of luck with silencing people here, that are concerned about current world events.

And with all due respect, the world is in turmoil right now. Where have you been? And it doesn't take a nuke to start WW3.