I think I know whats killing the bees

Originally posted by UKWO1Phot
Last summer I was photographing some bees in the garden and they had a weird grey powder band on their abdomens

Some kind of mold maybe? That would make perfect sense. We've already found some types that are killing bats and other creatures in recent years. And i don't think i need to even start on the 'toxic black mold' phenomenon.

That aside, it takes no stretch of the imagination at all to think these dishes could also be affecting bees. They might be able to con some people into thinking they don't affect humans at all, but they'd be caught in a lie if they said they had tested it on every last species on earth.

reply to post by FORMe2p00p0n


This is a very interesting theory. I would have never thought of this. It would be interesting to see the data on when the bees started to decline verses the satellite dish craze. Thanks for sharing.

The problems with the bees has already been solved. Our poor husbandry of the animal is to blame. They get shipped around from grove to grove gaining nourishment from only one source (imagine if you only eat Cheerios for months at a time). Then when overwintered are fed slop (more bad nutrition). Additionally diseased genetic lines were introduced while lines with vigor from the wild were disdained. Now add in pesticides and you have a recipe for disaster.

I'm an avid gardener and I've seen a huge reduction in Honey bees in the past few years . That being said though I have not seen a decrease in Bumblebees, wasps, hornets etc.

Difference? Species not domesticated by humans appear to be doing fairly well. Those under our care? not so good.

reply to post by nik1halo


GOOD point! so if it's only the rural areas that are having trouble that sort of kills the idea of the masts having anything to do with this as there are not to many masts around in the countryside.strange?

i do agree insecticides and pesticides have done much damage especially the old stuff! only now are we seeing the effects of the really strong stuff they used to spray that killed off a lot of wildlife like all the ground nesting birds etc.

reply to post by stealthyaroura


Yes, and as Helmkat said in his last post, it is only the domesticated honey bee that is in decline, the bumblebees are a buzzin' (pune intended).

Believe me, my garden knows that bumblebees are fine. It's illegal to get rid of the buggers too!

The rural domesticated honey bees are often placed within the vicinity of farm land in order to a) keep the bees in food for production and b) help to pollinate the crops. Unfortunately, these areas are where we find the highest levels of pesticides and other chemicals.

One poster observed that this dying off was first noticed in the Southwest US. I am surprised no one has commented about all the nuclear testing that was done in that part of the country. I feel like there are several factors involved here, but that the beginning of the genetic alterations may have began from the left over radiation from those test sites.
What's the half-life of Plutonium, 50K years? As this radiation spreads around the Earth in the atmosphere, is there any doubt the genetic changes would be felt over a very large area? Not in my mind. It is certainly possible that microwave radiation is also a culprit, but the depletion of the ozone layer could also be part of the picture. It would seem that the increase in ultraviolet would affect any animal, insect, or plant that lives outside. Chemtrails is likely part of this picture, as is ELF radiation, and who knows...maybe even HAARP. Thanks for reading my first post here. It seems like an interesting group. Rick

reply to post by Wintergreen


the problem with this therory is that the UK has one of the most intensive telecoms networks in the world a population of nearly 70 milion with an amazing 40 milion mobile phones , wireless 3g , wifi , etc etc

but CCD is a very new and very rare phenonemon here

and even in the US - CCD does not SEEM [ based on my limited research ] to corrolate to the urban areas with the most intensive telecoms ifrastructure

reply to post by ignorant_ape


Yes, as I said earlier, I live in the Black Country in the West Mids. It's rediculously Urban in these parts (I was 12 years old before I even knew what a tree looked like ). There are masts EVERYWHERE, you can see them on the top of any building higher than 4 storeys, yet my 2 friends who are bee keepers within the centre of Wolverhampton no less, are having no problems! It just doesn't corrolate!

[edit on 26-3-2010 by nik1halo]

sometimes when i grow in my greenhouse, i use q tips and the like the polinate my plants myself because i don't allow insects of any kind inside ... works fine, 3 - 4 days i polinate about 2 timesa day

probably be much harder on larger crops , couldn't other bugs do it too though? butterflies?

i just don't see how if bees were eliminated that plants would have no way to survive, and even if that were the case, there are large numbers of 'crop' food that are eaten before flowering stage, such plants that we eat the root of or the leaf, plants that don't require fruiting or flowering to have edible parts

anyways just adding my 2 senses

reply to post by indigothefish


It's not the fact that all the plants would die out, but the fact that there wouldn't be enough left to feed the population. Believe me,. plants would live on. WE would starve. Eventually though, a balance would be met where, the human population would reduce enough to be sustained by the lesser amounts of crops, but I don't think anyone wants to see that happen really.

If bee colonies have been collapsing for quite a while then it could be the mobile phone networks. Not just 3G or any of the new technologies. And the reason why it might not be happening in every country is that all networks use different frequency ranges, so it could be that an American phone company is using the same frequencies for its phone masts that the bees use for their navigation, thus causing the bees to get confused and loose their way.

reply to post by FORMe2p00p0n


Interesting theory. It sounds plausible, offhand.
Did you manage to get any photos of this?

I saw it asked in the thread earlier but may have missed it.

Off topic:
I love it when bees dance!
It is so adorable.

- Lee

reply to post by tigermoff


If different frequency ranges were used in different countries for mobile phone broadcasts, then I wouldn't be able to use my UK mobile in other countries. I can, therefore this is not true.

Mobile phone technology is pretty much generic across the board and pretty universally compatible.

It is true that mobile phones use a range of frequencies, especially the modern digital, rather than the old cell phones, bu the upper and lower limits of the range are the same in all countries.

I do not have the link, but last year I had read a story where a bee keeper put a cell phone next to a hive and left it there as an experiment. The hive did indeed collapse.

Originally posted by metalholic
reply to post by FORMe2p00p0n

 

very interesting..wasnt it einstein that said something along the lines of "when the worlds bee's disappear man will only have 3 years left to live"

did it start in 09? would that make it 2012 then ? :-) haha

just had to bring it up....not that I actually believe that....kind of funny though

reply to post by LucidDreamer85


actually if there were no bees extinction would be innevitable!

Originally posted by metalholic
reply to post by FORMe2p00p0n

 

very interesting..wasnt it einstein that said something along the lines of "when the worlds bee's disappear man will only have 3 years left to live"

I was fascinated, but after doing research I decided your quote is complete bunk.

I also am not worried about this, too much. Let's do some critical thinking.

- 90% of what population? The natural population that helps the respawning of flowers across the globe? Or the 90% used in manufacturing a "luxary" item for us human beings?

- I'm sure there are thousands of other insects ready to instantly take over the spot of bee's if they go extinct. I don't think the loss of the bee species would be too huge of an issue, and certainly nothing that Mother Nature wouldn't be able to overcome.. lol.

reply to post by derickonfire


i looked it up to so ok it might be bogus...but i would say lets not put your theory to the test and see if another bug is ready to take its place...because your theory is just THAT!

I am afraid what's killing the bees isn't that interesting. It was a chemical. I believe it was made by Bayer. Widely used across the globe. It was a "new improved" something or the other that gained wide acceptance too quickly. They denied it, and then oddly enough the plant in West Virginia Blew up COMPLETELY and that was the end of that. You will probably start hearing news about the "rebound" this year or next. I don't remeber the details, if you look up Bayer plant explosion in W.V. it should lead you to all you care to know.

Thanks for an interesting subject. I wonder what the frequencies are doing to all of us.

reply to post by soundguy


possibly keeping us asleep? heres an interesting thought! i dont have a hd tv or cable or anything i just watch movies whenever i feel the need to watch somethin otherwise i'm readin a book and listening to not hd radio!

everytime i go visit my g-parents who have hd tv's i get headaches! sometimes to the point where i gotta blink a few times and straighten myself out! now i'm not the paranoid kind maybe its just coincidence but there might be more truth to them conspiracy theories then we know

i mean the radio does play the hell out of them jewlerly stores wanting peoples rings,necklaces and "grandpa's coin collection" wonder why they wantin gold so bad for? and why is the radio tryn to sell the hell out of hd radio's they been advertising them pretty bad...i dont think i'll be switching to hd!

maybe theres more to they live...then meets the eye