Hey You... Yeah, you! The one complaining about the Healthcare Reform Bill...

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I'm going to need a little more help in finding the point in your last post. I reeeelay can see where I'm off the mark with you.

LOL...........................

The only winners with this bill passing is the senator and the house with all the money they will be receiving from those lobbyist.

Another winner is the Drug makers, this bill will not be allowing generic drugs (which are cheaper) to compete in the market.

Another winner Insurance providers, there are still no restrictions on increasing health care premiums.

LOSERS? You and I, and every other citizen in the U.S.

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Maybe a Glenn Beck chalk board will help?


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How will the new health system affect the average person ?

Will you be able to dump insurance now and simply pay the government levy ?

Will it end up costing people roughly the same as they were paying in insurance anyway ?

Why are some people so angry ?

Is it because some people weren't paying anything at all before and now they'll be compelled to pay a percentage of their earnings ?

Is it because they resent the fact illegals and welfare recipients will receive the same medical care as those who're paying a percentage of their earnings ?

Please leave the political skirmishes out of it for now. I'm just trying to understand why some people feel theyr'e going to be disadvantaged by the new health system

Originally posted by Snarf

They're for forms of socialism like Libraries, Police, Fire protection, and roads, but against it when a democrat proposes a similar idea.

[edit on 22-3-2010 by Snarf]

I think we've had this argument before snarf..All of these services you describe are not, I stress not socialism.

Originally posted by morf991
Another winner Insurance providers, there are still no restrictions on increasing health care premiums.

Why did insurance companies spend so much money lobbying against the bill?

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I can see how disallowing generic drugs would be a major issue for almost everyone and I'd certainly be active in opposing that section of the Bill, as I'm sure will most Americans

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by Zanti Misfit

 

Good for you, Skippy! I find this whole mess offensive, and the partisan crap EXTREMELY offensive!

The only true partisan experience in this life is good, against evil. This health law is pure evil, because they KNOW what is really making people sick, and they will get sicker.

All the while the PTB stash seed, book, and continue to make their underground bunkers more comfortable, as they soak up all the money of those being made sick.

reply to post by Dock9


Just about everything you posted there was a complete lie.

Wanna back that garbage up with any facts at all? Try using the actual bill instead of Fox News or some Blog please.

Of course you should realize that now that it's passed people are going to find out the truth. So you should at least give us actual facts instead of complete and total lies. Please, don't insult our intelligence with those bad and already dispelled talking points.

reply to post by Dock9


The bill sets up a regulatory path for generic versions of expensive biologic drugs, Amgen (AMGN.O) and Roche's (ROG.VX) Genentech unit and other biological drugmakers won a 12-year period of exclusive sales for brand-name drugs before facing competition from generic rivals.

Also the bill includes a 75-percent discount on generic drugs in Medicare, the same as on brand-name drugs. Companies were concerned that closing the Medicare "doughnut hole" would turn people away from cheaper, generic medicines.

[edit on 22-3-2010 by ShogunAssassins]

reply to post by whatukno


Ok. I'm on the verge of reporting you, which will be the first time I've reported anyone on ATS


You accuse me of being a LIAR ---- for asking questions ?


You really need to take a break and rethink your attitudes


Kindly READ my post

then an apology is in order

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Dock9

 

Just about everything you posted there was a complete lie.

Wanna back that garbage up with any facts at all? Try using the actual bill instead of Fox News or some Blog please.

Of course you should realize that now that it's passed people are going to find out the truth. So you should at least give us actual facts instead of complete and total lies. Please, don't insult our intelligence with those bad and already dispelled talking points.

Not so quick..Its only passed the lower house and not the upper. There is still a very good chance it can get bogged down. Hopefully it does

Originally posted by ShogunAssassins


How would we help then? Its clear that if left up to people, we sit and watch others die on emergency room floors, and leave them laying there without even getting up to change the channel on the tv.. So just left up to us doesnt work, what could we do?

The system is already socialized with predetermined prices and little patient choice. The first question is why do things cost so much? Why do I have a visit to talk to the doctor and it costs me 600 dollars. Or my son spends 5 mins with a doctor in the emergency room to get his chin taped up and it is a $1200 bill, and the same treatment in another country might run 50 bucks?

The reason is because our government and the insurance companies set the prices on everything. There is no competitive pricing, so how about a system where not only can you pick the cheaper clinic but also pick the best doctor? Let the market drive prices for a change, and that is the way it is in many other countries with much cheaper health costs.

I was in the military 28 years, but one day on a holiday my son got pink eye. I was told to take him to the emergency room since every clinic was closed, but I truly didn’t want to wait the 6 to 9 hours at the ER. Then a person at the school told me where a clinic was that took cash and run by nurses with a doctor on call. Well I took my kid there saw the nurse within 10 mins, paid 20 bucks and was on my way to get the meds. It was fast, cheap, efficient and totally outside the insurance umbrella of massive costs/time.

The moral of this story is we do not need health insurance overhaul as much as health cost overhaul…

In a past post the cost of their friend's surgery should have been 10k or less to begin with, and not the 60k that the insurance companies demanded.

reply to post by Dock9


Yes I am very sorry,

Everything you posted was a complete and total lie in question form.

Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
reply to post by Dock9

 

The bill sets up a regulatory path for generic versions of expensive biologic drugs, Amgen (AMGN.O) and Roche's (ROG.VX) Genentech unit and other biological drugmakers won a 12-year period of exclusive sales for brand-name drugs before facing competition from generic rivals.

Also the bill includes a 75-percent discount on generic drugs in Medicare, the same as on brand-name drugs. Companies were concerned that closing the Medicare "doughnut hole" would turn people away from cheaper, generic medicines.

[edit on 22-3-2010 by ShogunAssassins]

Blah Blah Blah. Dont act like you know what's in this 3000 plus page bill because you don't. You could quote that it covers my cat but I wouldn't know because who would read the whole damn thing. Truth of the matter is no one knows what's in it. Hell, even the speaker of the house said that we have to vote on it and put it into law just to find out what's in it.

reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf


Oop, I am sorry I was wrong...

You are right...

Health care reform now faces Senate challenge

www.cnn.com...

reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf


But it's only a 2000+ page bill not a 3000 page bill, of course it could be 50 pages and most Americans wouldn't bother reading it.

[edit on 3/22/2010 by whatukno]

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by ShogunAssassins


How would we help then? Its clear that if left up to people, we sit and watch others die on emergency room floors, and leave them laying there without even getting up to change the channel on the tv.. So just left up to us doesnt work, what could we do?

The system is already socialized with predetermined prices and little patient choice. The first question is why do things cost so much? Why do I have a visit to talk to the doctor and it costs me 600 dollars. Or my son spends 5 mins with a doctor in the emergency room to get his chin taped up and it is a $1200 bill, and the same treatment in another country might run 50 bucks?

The reason is because our government and the insurance companies set the prices on everything. There is no competitive pricing, so how about a system where not only can you pick the cheaper clinic but also pick the best doctor? Let the market drive prices for a change, and that is the way it is in many other countries with much cheaper health costs.

I was in the military 28 years, but one day on a holiday my son got pink eye. I was told to take him to the emergency room since every clinic was closed, but I truly didn’t want to wait the 6 to 9 hours at the ER. Then a person at the school told me where a clinic was that took cash and run by nurses with a doctor on call. Well I took my kid there saw the nurse within 10 mins, paid 20 bucks and was on my way to get the meds. It was fast, cheap, efficient and totally outside the insurance umbrella of massive costs/time.

The moral of this story is we do not need health insurance overhaul as much as health cost overhaul…

In a past post the cost of their friend's surgery should have been 10k or less to begin with, and not the 60k that the insurance companies demanded.

I could almost agree with something like that but look at the complaining of spenidng and price this is getting... Can you imagine the outcome of that idea? Its not a bad idea at all, but it would be tuff to get past.

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf

Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
reply to post by Dock9

 

The bill sets up a regulatory path for generic versions of expensive biologic drugs, Amgen (AMGN.O) and Roche's (ROG.VX) Genentech unit and other biological drugmakers won a 12-year period of exclusive sales for brand-name drugs before facing competition from generic rivals.

Also the bill includes a 75-percent discount on generic drugs in Medicare, the same as on brand-name drugs. Companies were concerned that closing the Medicare "doughnut hole" would turn people away from cheaper, generic medicines.

[edit on 22-3-2010 by ShogunAssassins]

Blah Blah Blah. Dont act like you know what's in this 3000 plus page bill because you don't. You could quote that it covers my cat but I wouldn't know because who would read the whole damn thing. Truth of the matter is no one knows what's in it. Hell, even the speaker of the house said that we have to vote on it and put it into law just to find out what's in it.

So basicly you had nothing to say there... Thanks for contributing exactly like your party has so far to this bill..

reply to post by whatukno



I'm not an American nor do I live in the US

Many of us who are not American have been attempting to understand this situation and the reason for the anger

I have been asking basically the same or related questions in most of the threads dealing with the health controversy

and I asked questions in THIS thread


All through the various threads I've been reading

THERE YOU HAVE BEEN --- working as if you're being paid to do it


I have NOT asked YOU any questions !

I have NOT posted directly to YOU !


Yet slavering at the jaws like a mad dog, you leapt upon my innocuous post and accused me of being a liar


Then, when you realised how you'd exposed yourself, you've tried to save face with your ridiculous comments

You're a small person who cannot and will not admit you are WRONG to attack people who come to ATS to ask questions

and you've exposed yourself and your agenda for all to see


Now --- kindly get out of my face so I can continue trying to gain answers to my very reasonable questions