Hey You... Yeah, you! The one complaining about the Healthcare Reform Bill...

Originally posted by dragonseeker
I'm glad it passed. It's not perfect, it has issues, and it doesn't take effect until 2014, so there's time to work it out. I love all this anger, doom and gloom, though. people are really revealing themselves, the masks have come off now. This man, barack obama, whether you believe him to be a foreign national, CIA manchurian candidate, socialist, muslim, NWO shill, whatever, actually did something to help people. millions more people will be insured that are not insured now. And some of you want to kill him for it. It really is disgusting..well, tell ya what. for those of you who don't want this, don't participate. that simple. when your ass needs an operation, go to mexico. I hear their healthcare is outstanding

It hasnt passed fully yet. It has only passed the lower house and still needs to pass the upper. Hopefully it will die there.

And he did nothing to help the majority of the people in the unites states. Nothing...

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Dock9

 

Illegals go to the emergency room, get patched up and never pay. That is healthcare for illegals. For the uninsured, it's the same thing but we get it on our credit report. But to the GOP we should just die.

So don't you think it would be a good place to start? Dont you think we should hold 20+ millions people leaching off of the healthcare system accountable? don't you think that many people not paying their bills is going to be a problem for the rest of us?

Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
reply to post by Dock9

 

The bill sets up a regulatory path for generic versions of expensive biologic drugs, Amgen (AMGN.O) and Roche's (ROG.VX) Genentech unit and other biological drugmakers won a 12-year period of exclusive sales for brand-name drugs before facing competition from generic rivals.

Very interesting. Sources? Drug patents and intellectual property rights used to have exclusive rights for decades, didn't they? ...How many decades/years does this plan drop from the past term for exclusive rights?

...I will get behind healthcare reform when the insurance covers preventive interventions and personalized medicine. As it stands, "medical care" isn't. The system sucks top to bottom - from medical school to medical industries.

Two small examples:
1. Modern diseases are chronic and progressive - but health insurance specifically prohibits and disallows preventive interventions - diagnostic tests and treatments are only covered once the disease has progressed to become acute and/or life threatening. Then insurance doesn't cover treatment because it's too late to guarantee that treatment will work and because the only effective interventions are "experimental."

2. It is very well-known that diseases mutate inside each victim, and become "specialized" to individual victims. This means that to be effective, treatment needs to be "personalized" - individually tailored to each individual patient. But doctors are trained to rely on one-size-fits-all blockbuster diagnostics and treatments - and insurance for sure does not cover "personalized medicine." And absolutely will not, unless forced to do so.

.....Please, everyone - make the effort to understand the depth and breadth to which we all are being played. Medical insurance is a pyramid Ponzi scheme - and so-called doctors and medical care are part of the scam.

...The whole (corporate controlled) medical system is designed to maximize profits across the board, NOT keep people healthy. The best you can hope for are drugs and treatments that mask your symptoms and keep you working - while making you sicker - then straight to an early grave without a period of disability, or debilitated retirement, or the opportunity to cash in on your extended coverage.

But dragging Bush and Clinton into this now assuage nothing.

reply to post by belial259


See now you are trying to make this about left vs right (calling him a Dems supporter) - when clearly the OP is merely venting his frustration that people buy into the political stage show.

This isn't about parties, it's to do with the general state of corruption, special interests and idiocy in politics around the world.

Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

37% of your take-home pay went in health costs (insurances, plus actual, etc.) ?

You must have struggled to make sense of it !

We in other countries hear about the ...what's a word to describe it? Massive - Ridiculous - Unsustainable - Unjustifiable - Unbelievable cost of heath-care in the US. But I doubt many of us would ever have believed Americans were having to pay so much

Just curious what is the tax rate in your country? How much of your monies do you get to take home a year?

And how brilliant to argue that terrible and costly mistakes that came while dumb and dumber were in office somehow justify even more costly mistakes by this administration currently in office.

By all means, because the republicans screwed up the last 8 years, let's make sure we give the democrats equal time in making their own screw-ups for the next 8.

reply to post by whatukno


I truely hope you are right, but is there any part of this healthcare reform that scares you?

reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf


Thirty Foot Smurf quote:

Well i think people outside the US with a good perspective on government run healthcare need to help out by letting people know exactly what were in for if we go that route. Its just crazy to me that despite all the evidence overseas that show socialized healthcare is a nightmare people still want it here at any cost.

Can't claim to have a good perspective on govt. run health care and I'm far from being a good example, as I haven't attended a doctor or hospital for close to 20 years

However, my son was in the way of a hacker's ball at the local golf course and dropped like a stone a year or so ago.

Ambulance was there fast, checked his vitals, strapped him on a strether and had him at the local hospital in minutes, where they gave him a thorough check, etc.

Cost, not a cent, not at the time or later

Son is unmarried and so pays the 'single man' rate of tax, which is higher and he's also charged a higher rate by Medicare, I think

But still, it's peanuts really, cost-wise. If he were to need a six month stay in hospital, say, or need surgery, it would be free (apart from the govt. levy which comes out of his wages automatically)

His sister has an inherited hearing problem, we learned recently. She could have the operation at a govt. hospital for free. But, there's a few months long waiting list. So she could elect to have the operation at a private hospital if she chooses. She would have to pay, and some of what she'd paid would be refunded. The doctor would probably be the same either way and he's highly regarded, very experienced

My husband had his varicose veins removed a few months ago. Excellent hospital and surgeon. Free, all of it

There are medical-funds into which people can pay if they like and these cover a certain amount of plastic surgery, dental, etc. We used to pay into a medical fund when the children were young

I mean, the Aussie and UK systems may be very similar to what Americans are used to under another name, I don't know

reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf


Well less than 5% loss is called acceptable.

Americans will be able to actually get real insurance, and pay for it realistically instead of going to the emergency room and just getting patched up.

Being patched up, and actually being covered are two different things, believe me I have been on both sides of the coin. There is a major difference in hospital experiences if you have insurance and if you don't.

reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf


I don't know what your talking about, I've broken many bones and didn't pay a cent her in canada, why would I drive for 4 hours into the states to pay for that?

reply to post by Xtrozero


Yes, what does scare me is that there is no TORT reform, there is no public option.

That is what scares me. This bill gives insurance companies a lot more customers so that is a problem to me.

I think maybe I am to stupid to grasp the gist of this OP.... Is it an attempt to state how upset you are with the past and present administration or, is this you thumbing your nose at everyone who can't possibly have as great a hold on the situation as you have obviously achieved ? Or maybe you are simply pissing ATS members off to the point of no resolution while getting an occasional pat on the back for a post where your critical thinking skills are clearly not at the height of their development?

I see where in a later post the OP states they do not specify any party support in the op, well give the man a blue ribbon and call him a winner! You now get to point fingers at all parties while proclaiming your disapproval for all action/inaction and enlighten us big stupid doodie heads with your wisdom and eloquent tongue.

Bravo.

I have a question about people like this, open to answers from all, Why do these guys come out of the wood work and ask, 'Hey, everyone who is pissing and moaning about *insert any number of Obama's spending sprees here*, where were you standing when Bush/Cheney screwed the pooch by *insert any number of Bush's spending sprees here*? As though if you are against Obama's practices, you are an obvious Bush/Cheney lacky.

Perhaps, just perhaps now, people are pissed off about the bill because we are sick of the process??? . . . Perhaps instead of the pointing of a Democrat's finger saying, 'well, the Republicans did it too' we expected.... dare I say ... change? Well, we got a change in the for of a bill... process, not so much. We the people of the seen and not heard. Maybe a good thing too, seeing as how stoopid we is.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf

 

Well less than 5% loss is called acceptable.

Americans will be able to actually get real insurance, and pay for it realistically instead of going to the emergency room and just getting patched up.

Being patched up, and actually being covered are two different things, believe me I have been on both sides of the coin. There is a major difference in hospital experiences if you have insurance and if you don't.

So where's the incentive for an illegal to buy health insurance when its easier to skip out on the bill and pay nothing for your treatment?

Only after one year our deficit is many times larger under Obama than even Bush could bungle. We cannot afford to pay for it. Our deficit has gone 4% over GDP, and anything over 3% is unsustainable. We crossed the line.

Nothing in the Constitution allows the Federal Government this power, only States have the right to make Healthcare tax a law.

This is simply a TAX bill to create a new piggy bank, since the Social Security piggy bank now has more taken out than put in. Government can't raid that any longer, they need a new piggy bank to raid and another yoke to throw on our backs.

If healthcare is a human right, it doesn't stop at our borders. Are we going to pay for everyone, or are we going to start wars if other countries don't provide this 'human right'?

It's time to throw the government off our backs.

reply to post by JaxonRoberts


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Originally posted by Dbriefed
Only after one year our deficit is many times larger under Obama than even Bush could bungle. We cannot afford to pay for it. Our deficit has gone 4% over GDP, and anything over 3% is unsustainable. We crossed the line.

Nothing in the Constitution allows the Federal Government this power, only States have the right to make Healthcare tax a law.

This is simply a TAX bill to create a new piggy bank, since the Social Security piggy bank now has more taken out than put in. Government can't raid that any longer, they need a new piggy bank to raid and another yoke to throw on our backs.

If healthcare is a human right, it doesn't stop at our borders. Are we going to pay for everyone, or are we going to start wars if other countries don't provide this 'human right'?

It's time to throw the government off our backs.

You get a star from me.

Let not forget the 700 plus billion slush fund they now have from the stimulus too. They were going to pay it back to the American people and now they changed the rules and decided to hold on to it to buy off more votes in th upcoming elections.

reply to post by Spock Shock


You went to the emergency room....good for you. But atleast we dont have to wait 6 to 10 months to see our primary care doctor here...or atleast we didnt have to untill now.

Oh and ya you did pay for your broken bone, the tax rate in Canada is extremely high...most of us Americans down here believe that we can pay less taxes and get more services for our money.

But dont worry that will all change now and we will have much in common in the coming days....long waits to see our doctors....less innovation and our President will have to get medical procedures done in other countrys just like your Prime Minister does due to the fantastic medical system Canada has.

What should have been included in the bill is that our politicians be subject to the same system they subject us to. Otherwise it's just BS.