Cern Missing Black Hole Raises New Safety Concerns

And so it begins...

I find them pushing ahead without the questions being answered about the black hole is straight out of the Nazi handbook of advancement!



(sorry, felt the need to add both the omnious start and enact godwins law in one post...lazy)

Originally posted by Son of Will
Why isn't this in the 'HOAX' section?

This is a good question. Maybe we need to definitively prove it false/impossible before they'll move it?

reply to post by Solasis


It wasn't my intention to come off as rude or arrogant. I suppose I could have been overly influenced by HarryTuttle's comment on the first page -

The LHC wasn't even accelerating particles when the break happened, they were just running diagnostic tests.

So, it's impossible for the LHC to have made a black hole during that time.

It's a claim that sounds true but that doesn't make it so necessarily. However it should be easily provable with just some modest detective work.
Cheers

[edit on 20-3-2010 by Son of Will]

I personally think it's not gonna be in the hoax section because they have already proved that micro blackholes are existant in the experiments performed by CERN's LHC. So getting swallowed by a growing black hole from the LHC is plausable but very unlikely.

Mirco blackholes are everywhere.

reply to post by Son of Will


Oh! I didn't mean to imply that you had come off that way. I'm in complete agreement with you; I know that it's impossible and everything, but none of us have offered definitive scientific proof that it's impossible.

news.nationalgeographic.com...

They broke their record yesterday and will have a record collision next week.

So it may be a good idea to keep abreast of this when the results are released.

Thanks for this thread, I havnt laughed so much in ages.

For all the CERN hype beleivers, its this simple.

What they are trying to do in CERN happens all the time in space. Particles are whizzing about at much closer to the speed of light than in CERN and yes, occasionally they collide and smash themselves into tiny peices. CERN is just trying to do this under controlled conditions so they can measure it.

Also CERN is just a bigger version of what has gone before, They are just pumping more energy in to the particles so they smash into tinier particles. They hope they find this Higgs boson because it would be able to have gravity work in quantum mechanics, something they have not been able to do.

Why is this so important?

One reason is black holes (the big ones). The General Theory of Relativity deals with large objects and calculates gravity excellantly. However, in the center of a black hole there is vast gravity in a single point. This is too small for The General Theory of Relativity to work and it produces infinities (not good).
As it is such a small point, quantum mechanics comes into play, but there is a huge amount of gravity in that point. Quantum mechanics cant deal with gravity as gravity is so weak under normal quantum conditions (atoms) that they didnt need to account for it in the standard model.

I dont think personally they will find a higgs boson that gives atoms their gravity (a magical boson that can bend space time).
I think soon enough a genius scientist will come up with some amazing mind bending theory that will explain this problem, dark matter, dark energy and dark flow. It will be brilliantly simple yet insanely difficult to get your head round, like the Theory of Relativity x 10. It will unlock the door to limitless energy and interstella travel.

Or am I being a scientific romantic?

Edit: spelling and grammer

[edit on 21-3-2010 by DJOldskool]

On July 3/4/5, 2022, there will be collisions at unprecedented energy levels at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC).

July 4 Unprecedented

Not here to debate, oh you silly person- it happens all the time. My understanding that the amount of energy created at cern in the next couple of days will be equal to all the energy the US uses in a year (someone else's interpretation). If that doesn't open your eyes a little, your next booster shot is calling.

World record energy tomorrow! yeah!!

Highlights of this "Live from CERNS are:
-How cheerful they are at CERN Control Center (4:30)
-Man from control team makes big explosion with his hands (7:05)
-more Happy, happy, HAPPY
-Happy person saying, World record energy (10:15)

originally posted by: BelleEpoque
On July 3/4/5, 2022, there will be collisions at unprecedented energy levels at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC).

July 4 Unprecedented

Not here to debate, oh you silly person- it happens all the time.

Based on the ignorance displayed by your post, it seems you're completely incapable of doing proper research thus incapable of debating a topic such as this, so it's just as well you're not here to debate.

My understanding that the amount of energy created at cern in the next couple of days will be equal to all the energy the US uses in a year (someone else's interpretation). If that doesn't open your eyes a little, your next booster shot is calling.

Who made that prediction, bozo the clown? I noticed you didn't provide any link, but wherever you got it, that's bovine excrement.

Cern is setting a new record for the energy levels of the proton-proton collisions which will be up to 13.6 trillion electron-volts, which is about the same energy as 14 mosquitoes in flight. In the LHC first run, they had energy levels of 7 trillion electron volts per collision, about the same energy as 7 mosquitoes in flight.

CERN 2022 portal theory debunked: What they're really doing on July 5th

The collider will reach a new energy world record of 13.6 trillion electronvolts (13.6 TeV) in some of its collisions. An electronvolt is the measure of an amount of kinetic energy. A flying mosquito has about one trillion electronvolts of energy, according to CERN’s own glossary of terms.

The 13.7 TeV may be unprecedented at CERN's LHC, but it's not unprecedented on earth, because cosmic rays with much higher energy strike the earth, and those have not created any of the doomsday scenarios some people suggest for CERN's lower energy events at the LHC.

Anyone know where to report this if found, ya’ll? I just got back from Texas and the only way I can describe that place is like a huge black hole.

a reply to: BelleEpoque



"My understanding that the amount of energy created at cern in the next couple of days will be equal to all the energy the US uses in a year (someone else's interpretation)."

Where do you get that understanding from?

I'm back. I didn't post this to debate it. Only to share this "unprecedented" event with others.

I have a question though, when the lady at CERNS says, "this is a world record energy we have never achieved before" what is that to you?

CERNS = 7 mosquitos = funny

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: BelleEpoque



"My understanding that the amount of energy created at cern in the next couple of days will be equal to all the energy the US uses in a year (someone else's interpretation)."

Where do you get that understanding from?

Sir,
Richie from Boston said, "the amount of energy created at cern in the next couple of days will be equal to all the energy the US uses in a year."

and I don't like the sound of that.

a reply to: BelleEpoque

"On July 5, 2022, there will be collisions at unprecedented energy levels at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC)."


Yes. For CERN. Where do you get that stuff from?

originally posted by: BelleEpoque
Sir,
Richie from Boston said, "the amount of energy created at cern in the next couple of days will be equal to all the energy the US uses in a year."

and I don't like the sound of that.

Richie from Boston?

The same Richie who is the janitor at the local dog kennel whose expertise is cleaning out the dog poop?

That claim is totally ridiculous. The US used about 97 quadrillion BTU of energy in 2021 which converts to about 28.5 trillion kWh.

CERN doesn't "create" any energy, they buy it off the grid and use it to power their experiments.
The amount of power they will buy over 3 days from Jul 4-6 won't be any more than 18 million kWh, so all the energy the US uses in a year (based on the last full year in 2021) is well over 1.6 million times greater than that.

originally posted by: BelleEpoque

I'm back. I didn't post this to debate it. Only to share this "unprecedented" event with others.

I have a question though, when the lady at CERNS says, "this is a world record energy we have never achieved before" what is that to you?

CERNS = 7 mosquitos = funny

Not 7 mosquitos, it's 7 mosquitos in flight per proton and 2 protons colliding will release the same energy as about 14 mosquitos in flight. It's not a joke or meant to be funny, that's based on the actual comparison cited by CERN of 1 TeV having approximately the same energy as 1 mosquito in flight.

The unprecedented event means they didn't quite have the energy of 13.6 mosquitoes in flight per collision before, it was slightly less than that, about the energy of 13 mosquitoes in flight. So going from an energy per collision of 13 mosquitoes in flight to 13.6 mosquitoes in flight may be unprecedented, but it's really not such a big deal. The other improvements seem like a bigger deal, to improve the collision rate by better focusing of the beams, etc.