Cern Missing Black Hole Raises New Safety Concerns

Originally posted by QuantumDeath
What happens when these black holes start to suck up everything in its path? Whats the cover-up going to be for "Entire neighborhood sucked up by mysterious black dot?"

1. Cleaning up the neighborhood?
   
2. Urban renewal?
   
3. Eminent domain?
   
4. Climate change?

If anything, #4 seems most likely.

Here's one:

A black hole walks into a bar and says, "where'd everybody go?".

Originally posted by thedeadtruth
I know where it is, and were it has been for at least 42 years ( possible with time travel yes ? )

It is in my mums washing machine. Keeps stealing my socks, but only 1 of them. ( It must be able to only absorb 50% of the surrounding mass. )

These two "space explorers" have indeed confirmed that a black hole was responsible, they went through the black hole and found all the missing socks after passing through it at about 3 1/2 minutes in their "documentary":

Black Hole



I think they anticipate winning the Nobel prize for this discovery.

Seriously though, I'm not too worried about the missing black hole at the collider even if that story (which I'm not inclined to believe) is true.

[edit on 19-3-2010 by Arbitrageur]

Just like I said before, they really don’t know what might happen. And we all, the entire human race and our planet, could be destroyed by physicist playing with new toys that they know not what might happen. I remember a story about an advanced civilization , Atlantis, that was destroyed along with almost everyone else because they were using some kind of advanced technology that didn’t work out as they planned. I wonder, has mankind reached this point several times only to be almost totally wiped out, or totally wiped out and we are recreated to try again, and again, and again. The creator must look upon us wondering if we will ever learn that we were not designed to be playing with the building blocks and fabric of the universe. And then we created a nuclear weapon which upset all the alien civilizations and other dimensions around us. That wasn’t good enough for these young humans. Now they are trying to create the most destructive element of our known universe right here on the only rock us humans have to live on. Is it just me or is someone missing the point. Make the statement, if you play with matches you will get burned, seem quite a minor problem when these fools are losing black holes on the Earth and looking all over the LHC to see if they can find it. I wonder what they thought they were going to do if they did find it laying around somewhere sucking all the matter around it into the event horizon? Can’t just break out a fire extinguisher for that little problem. Any time now, we will become a story some philosopher from thousands of years in the future tells stories about. Oh, that black hole experiment might be why we can’t find Atlantis in the first place!

It is really saying something when a story, such as this one, is so bizarre that even ATS-ers can't stop joking around about it.

Just a thought, though... with all the talk of timeline shifts and such, could there be something to this? Maybe not an unaccounted-for black hole, per se, but some kind of distortion of timespace perception? It isn't a very comforting thought.

Originally posted by sockmonkeywrench
It is really saying something when a story, such as this one, is so bizarre that even ATS-ers can't stop joking around about it.

Just a thought, though... with all the talk of timeline shifts and such, could there be something to this? Maybe not an unaccounted-for black hole, per se, but some kind of distortion of timespace perception? It isn't a very comforting thought.

Well I guess somebody had to interrupt all the jokes with a serious question sooner or later

Time slows down dramatically for the particles being accelerated to near light speeds, so the actual passage of time slows down for them, but not for us.

Originally posted by spirit_horse
The creator must look upon us wondering if we will ever learn that we were not designed to be playing with the building blocks and fabric of the universe. And then we created a nuclear weapon which upset all the alien civilizations a

Well, if we never get any direct record of the past experiment,s how can we be expected to learn from them? It's the Creator's own fault if we're not learning from evidence we're not properly given!

If they did create a black hole[ or 3 ] , the first thing to disappear would

be the LHC ....... and a bunch of mad scientists.

[ oh dear, how sad , never mind ]


.... and the sock theory/problem is solved by only buying many pairs of
identical socks . When one or more go missing , no-one knows !

.... except those in a parallel universe FULL of odd socks !

IMO, a black hole is baryonic matter breaking down to non-baryonic or undetectable or "unconventional matter," or just simply energy. If we assumed that it's energy, then there are two types of energy, "one" that exerts a force on the space and objects around it, and one that does not. A black hole must belong to the former(and nuclear bomb's energy, that is the energy after detonation, to the latter.)

But how does energy exert a force? IMO, it's because a cubic(insert measurement here) of space can only contain a certain amount of energy. If the amount of energy exceeds the amount of space, then the extra energy must suck in more space, or more space AND energy(matter.)

Of course, I don't know what good this'll do, just giving my two cents I guess.

[edit on 20-3-2010 by np6888]

I 'ave a 'ole in me pocket!

Originally posted by thedeadtruth
I know where it is, and were it has been for at least 42 years ( possible with time travel yes ? )

It is in my mums washing machine. Keeps stealing my socks, but only 1 of them. ( It must be able to only absorb 50% of the surrounding mass. )

Hawkings eat your heart out.

You're 42 years old and your mother still does your laundry?

Ridiculous story!

We all know that with those lil black holes in our eyeballs we could never SEE the mini black hole anyway!

Anyway... another online "news source" discredited



A muon, a Tau, and Higgs Boson walk into a bar


[edit on 20-3-2010 by Thermo Klein]

Originally posted by np6888
IMO, a black hole is baryonic matter breaking down to non-baryonic or undetectable or "unconventional matter," or just simply energy. If we assumed that it's energy, then there are two types of energy, "one" that exerts a force on the space and objects around it, and one that does not. A black hole must belong to the former(and nuclear bomb's energy, that is the energy after detonation, to the latter.)

So, you're saying that a black hole exerts force on the objects around it, but a nuclear bomb after detonation does not? Because I could have sworn these films of bomb tests were showing some kind of force on the objects around it, the shock wave demolishes buildings:

Here's a 1 minute clip:
Atomic Bomb Footage


See 4m 55s for a few seconds, and again at 9m45s in this video:
Declassified U.S. Nuclear Test Film #55


Too bad we can't harness a mini-black home as a "vacuum cleaner" of sorts to clean up the mess from the nuclear tests, or heck that might even solve our garbage problem, just dump it into the black hole

On second thought, that's a pretty dumb idea, as we probably can't make a stable mini-black hole and it would be too dangerous to even try, unless we do the experimenting on a remote planet somewhere away from Earth.

How do you flatter a black hole?
Tell it that it sucks.

What do you say to a black hole to make it feel self-conscious?
“Oh, I think I saw a little flash of light there.”

LHC Black hole rap:
www.youtube.com...

How the hell do you lose a black hole? I thought these were the top notch scientists in the world! It is exactly as I imagined when I first heard of the LHC, they have no idea what they are doing, or what the consequences are. If they already knew, they would not need the LHC.

How do they even go around the building looking for the black hole? Are they actually looking around for a small black dot? This is just wierd.


edit to add: Good one Phage!

[edit on 20-3-2010 by space cadet]

Reply to post by UberL33t

I saw a thing about S.Hawking you would be very interested in watching. It was about how he came up with a way (a theory? don`t remember exactly) to link "the world of the very small (quantum) to the very large." Amazingly, black holes are not black. They emit light that we can`t see. Whether that light gets sucked back into the black hole as soon as it was created was not talked about. However, the part that might interest you is the source of this light. As the black hole devours particles, theres a certain particle I don`t remember. But it gets ripped in half and "snaps", dividing the positive particle from the negative side... (I`m so sorry that I`m not a quantum physicist who is also an astrophysicist among other things like Hawking and sorry that I didn`t remember it better.) and the result of this snap is that: a) energy is released in the form of, you guessed it... light. and b) the one half gets added to the black hole, and magically, the snap generates enough force to fling the other side of the particle away from the hole. As in, it miraculously escaspes the pull of the hole... So I`m sure you see evidence when it is served up to you a la carte... Since the human body creates electricity which works it`s way into the socks we wear. One leg must be positive and the other negative, explaining why the black hole only eats one sock and the other one gets away!


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I hope I'm not the only person here who's very frustrated with all the people just immediately buying into this baseless accusation from an anonymous source who probably doesn't even exist. Especially the people who are saying "This is proof that the CERN scientists have no idea what they're doing!" and "This is proof that the LHC is dangerous!"

Because it's not proof. You are bewildered by "how is that even possible" because it is not possible. There are times for doubting what you read. Personally I think it's all times that you're reading; even if I'm wrong about that, this is definitely a time to think critically, not acceptingly.

That's the problem with those pesky micro black holes..they are quite hard to find when they run off..being..micro and black and holes..
Ok..i'll get my coat.

When I looked at the OPs link,I was very surprised to see that it was NOT from "the onion."
The headline certainly sounded like one of theirs.

Is there a reward for the missing black hole?
I think I have found it,its hiding in our UK budget defict.

Time Machine - an active application in suspending a black hole...


Original creation of antimatter - antihydrogen


Here's a real scary thing to think about:

From there the antiprotons go into a "catching trap," where most of their remaining energy is absorbed and radiated away by electrons swirling in a magnetic field, lowering them to a temperature of about 15 degrees above absolute zero and speeds of a few hundred feet per second. Meanwhile, positrons from the decay of a form of radioactive sodium are separately slowed and accumulated. The two clouds of oppositely charged particles are then superimposed by adjusting electrical fields in a cylindrical "mixing trap" lined with detectors.

Once an antiproton and positron have joined forces, the resulting antihydrogen atom is electrically neutral and thus no longer caged by the electrical fields in the trap. "The atom drifts to where it wants to go," said Dr. Landua, namely the wall where its components will annihilate with their opposite numbers in a characteristic pattern: the antiproton into a spray of lighter particles called pions, and the positron producing a flash of gamma rays. The Athena team recorded this pattern 131 times and based on simulations, concluded that it had produced at least 50,000 antihydrogen atoms.

The Athena experimenters say they still know very little about their antihydrogen atoms. They say that in the spring, they hope to train a laser on the antihydrogen to make a preliminary measurement of the atom's spectrum so that it can be compared to regular hydrogen.

"Any measurement would be interesting because we know essentially nothing about it," Dr. Hangst said.

In the first highlighted statement, these scientists state that the antiatom - once it forms - is uncontrollable because it becomes electrically neutral, and thus the magnetics that had control originally no longer apply.

In the second highlighted statement, the scientists are admitting an insufficient amount of knowledge about what they're dealing with.

scary thought: LOSING CONTROL OVER ANTIMATTER IN A MATERIAL UNIVERSE...

Dan Brown's book Angels and Demons talks about the concept of antimatter, and revealed how antimatter reacts if set free in the material universe... it will interact directly with it's counterparts and then once the reactive materials are all used up the reaction stops.

Imagine if they one day create an antimatter engine that would accumulate millions of antimatter particles to operate... and then imagine one malfunctioning...

The article however revealed that the reaction of the antimatter atoms with matter atoms created gama rays - a major ingrediant in the reactive event of a supernova - which too is the only way known to date to also create a black hole

next ingredient necessary for a black hole to exist:


Scientists put a light wave on hold

Physicists say they can effectively catch a light pulse in a bottle, hold onto it and release it, in an operation described as slowing light to a dead stop. It’s actually the information about the light wave that’s being captured, the researchers say, and such techniques could be applied to a future generation of quantum computers and ultrasecure communication devices.

So we can create antimatter, and in effect stop a light wave from traveling at light speed to a state of suspended animation.

Who's to say that scientists can't thus effectively suspend a black hole?

effectively, scientists have already, without admitting so publicly, created a time displacement mechanism, in order to be able to make these claims of the creation of antimatter, and the suspension of light. That ingredient too would be a necessary factor to suspend a black hole, which they have admitted in a round about way that they have created.

Here's another scary thought. What if the United States military, or any country for that matter, sought to weaponize these applications?

They've already begun...

Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency

DARPA has several application under solicitation currently, as well as for a few years now, implimenting this technology into applicable tools for military use. One of them is known as Programmable Matter. Another is known as Information in a Photon. And then, they already have this thing known as Smart Dust...

Black Hole Bomb?

[edit on 20-3-2010 by DarkspARCS]