Cern Missing Black Hole Raises New Safety Concerns

shhh...don't tell any one, but it's living in my back yard.
cute little thing, smart too!!! at least I don't have to worry about that annoying barking dog coming into my yard and harassing my groundhogs anymore!!!

if there was a little black hole created, maybe it just dies out, ya know, there wasn't enough energy to sustain it or something?? what can I say, nothing man creates lasts forever!

Originally posted by Solasis
I hope I'm not the only person here who's very frustrated with all the people just immediately buying into this baseless accusation from an anonymous source who probably doesn't even exist.

[sarcasm] But I read if it's on the internet it must be true. And I read THAT on the internet so that confirms it's true[/sarcasm]

Yes I'm a little bit bothered by that too but at least a fair number of people are questioning it or posting jokes showing they don't take it seriously. But people are far too gullible. If you think this thread is bad, you ought to see this other ATS thread, I think it's the WORST:

Scientists Make Radio Waves Travel Faster Than Light

That goes on for many pages with apparently the majority of people believing the title which is total BS. And if you read the article it even says the title is BS but people either couldn't be bothered to read the article, or if they did they didn't understand it. In fact the very first critically thinking post I see in that thread is at the bottom of PAGE 6!!!! And even that poster doesn't understand what's written in the article based on the content of the post. It's not until well after that Astyanax posts on PAGE 9!!!! and finally shows an ability to read and comprehend what is written in the article in the OP. 8 and a half unbelievable pages of post after post with not one single person figuring out the true story right there in the article linked to the OP, even the guy who said "my brother is a physicist and told me to post this:" totally missed the boat.

So at least this thread is doing better than that one, I'm pleased there at least some critical thinkers in this thread, like you for example, I appreciate that! I agree people need to stop being so gullible and start thinking critically.

isn`t a 'mini-black-hole' a contradiction in terms?
how come a black hole be 'small' when it originates from the collapse of huge (huge!) amounts of matter into itself?

i mean, are mini-black-holes an accepted and defined concept? or just a buzz word (among the physicists) to define a phenomenon they don`t quite grasp -- in account of showing 'comportamental' similarities between it and the traditional black holes, i.e., fundamental building exotic particles... or its tendency to suck everything

are such mini black holes an academical concept or are they a corruption of terms, derived from urban legend and hype regarding LHC, CERN?

They must be talking about a Schwarzchild black hole, since a singularity really would have ruined our day. 4pi(2GM/c^2)^2. Now where have we seen that before?

[edit on 20-3-2010 by Flux8]

Originally posted by harrytuttle

That being said, you all know that the LHC is actually a time machine, right?

Okay I have to ask lol, could you elaborate on this point you made?

Peace

reply to post by Flux8


i was about to ask you to ellaborate on your answer but there`s no point (page 1 on google showed me that this is an extensive subject =p)

...but from the 5 minute read i just had (XD), i can assume that "mini-black-holes' are a mathematical possibility.

Originally posted by maoklein
isn`t a 'mini-black-hole' a contradiction in terms?
how come a black hole be 'small' when it originates from the collapse of huge (huge!) amounts of matter into itself?

People still want to make serious posts about this hoax thread? OK.

Yes and no. The big issue is one of stability. Massive black holes (with masses several times greater than the mass of our sun) can exist in stable form. Presumably black holes with a much lower mass can exist for very brief periods but they are highly unstable so they vanish after a short time.

The safety of the LHC

Nature forms black holes when certain stars, much larger than our Sun, collapse on themselves at the end of their lives. They concentrate a very large amount of matter in a very small space. Speculations about microscopic black holes at the LHC refer to particles produced in the collisions of pairs of protons, each of which has an energy comparable to that of a mosquito in flight. Astronomical black holes are much heavier than anything that could be produced at the LHC.

According to the well-established properties of gravity, described by Einstein’s relativity, it is impossible for microscopic black holes to be produced at the LHC. There are, however, some speculative theories that predict the production of such particles at the LHC. All these theories predict that these particles would disintegrate immediately. Black holes, therefore, would have no time to start accreting matter and to cause macroscopic effects.

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It's not impossible that the scientists were not telling the truth about what they were doing. Just a thought........

Originally posted by sockmonkeywrench
Assuming that, as alleged, it was possible in 1967 to determine exactly how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall, don't you think it would be possible to notice one missing with today's more sophisticated technology, even if it WAS just a small one?

And with all those scientists just waiting for the collider to be fixed, saying to it in a massive chorus, "I'd love to turn you on...." Coincidence? I think not.

(In all seriousness, however, CERN scares me. A lot.)

CERN scares me too! It's kinda like those "mad-scientist" movies I watched as a child. And as I recall, those movies never ended well. If in fact, the God Particle is discovered; then what? I can' help but feel, we are truly living in the end times. God bless us, everyone.

Originally posted by sockmonkeywrench
It is really saying something when a story, such as this one, is so bizarre that even ATS-ers can't stop joking around about it.

Just a thought, though... with all the talk of timeline shifts and such, could there be something to this? Maybe not an unaccounted-for black hole, per se, but some kind of distortion of timespace perception? It isn't a very comforting thought.

Yeah! What's really bugging me is the prevailing sense that I have read this thread before! I wish I was kidding, but I'm not.

reply to post by harrytuttle


not really a time machine harry.

but it will make those u-singularities to power one.

bra-zillllllllllllllllllllll.

reply to post by Vitchilo


Maybe one of the researchers brought it home to show his wife....

reply to post by Phage


NOOOOOooooooooo.......

Your starting to frighten me...please stop it.

Originally posted by Phage
Inventory control can be a real problem.
Maybe someone took it home to show his kids.

[edit on 3/19/2010 by Phage]

LOL TY for that )

Is this thread the whole truth...

Please don't hit me, i'm only little.

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Wouldnt suprise me, they let kids land planes

Was it Angels and demons where at the start somethin was stolen?

reply to post by jazz10


Doesn't matter...no, i mean antimatter.

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maybe it just told it's baby black holes it was going out for a pack of smokes, then never came back. daddy was a rolling hole. maybe he is living in dayton ohio with his new black hole family.

So, this is basically a false story, right? Why isn't this in the 'HOAX' section? Just seems like unnecessary fear-mongering, because many people have been convinced that the LHC is some kind of potential doomsday machine.

Usually I take such fears as a bit of entertainment - but there are people who have nothing better to do than make up stories like this, and the average person doesn't have enough time to adequately research this subject and find out just how harmless the LHC is.