Why most ATS members will never fight the NWO: you are all talk

number one have a real gun be ready to go without food never give up most will hide and disappear keep your mind strong

This thread made me think of this track...



Don't give in to fear people. Don't let someone else cause you to fear something you have not yet experienced for yourself.

I guess I could not know how I would re-act. I hope I could have a calm mind about the situation, but fact is I have never been in a situation that is even somewhat dangerous.

It will be hard to fight against something that the masses will demand be initiated.

This is complete nonsense. You talk about the NWO like it's some kind of army, when it's nothing of the sort. It's just corrupt bankers and politicians etc who weld influence and power simply because they have one thing most of us don't have and that's wealth. They use this wealth and influence to buy whatever it is they want or require. After all it takes money to get anything done and they have lots of it.

The most powerful weapon we have against these corrupt politicians and elitist bankers is the spoken word and along with the truth it's what they fear the most. Violent protests will achieve absolutely nothing and simply give them a reason to use deadly force. They fear the truth and for good reason and in the end it will destroy them. You can run from the truth, but you can't hide. One day it will catch you up and then it's curtains. These degenerates are living on borrowed time and they know it.

Dock9 Exactly


[edit on 19-3-2010 by kindred]

If the SHTF, I won't even waste time and ammo trying to gun down people. I'll be heading straight to wally world and other retailers to start looting. You guys shoot, I'll just loot. Kill and die, but i'll look fly. While you all are playing red dawn I'll be playing with a gigantic HDTV.

No but seriously, violent revolution will not work, we'll have to leave the system and create one of our own. This will never happen because we as humans are inherently unable to work together and get goals accomplished.

Long story short: When TSHTF, prepare to die, say goodbye to your loved ones, because you won't beat them and you won't work together to avoid them. We'll be screwed.

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The PEN is mightier than the sword. We are fighting! We are exposing the corruption and bringing it to light. We are making a lot of hidden information available to millions of people. We have been given our instructions:

For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.

Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

Luke 12:2-3

A bloody war and killing people will never educate or enlighten anyone. We need to change minds and hearts of those who are sitting on the fence in confusion. We also need to drag out the corruption and evil to the light of day so that the masses can see it for what it is. Once that happens they will not give their power to these mentally ill, greedy, perverse thugs.

It is time for judgement of those who have wielded their corrupt power over us. It is time for their deceit and lies to be exposed. This cannot go on for another generation. We must take a stand and do it with our words and actions.

We are fighting with the sword of our mouths. Words can turn the tide. There is no need to bloody our hands nor for innocent people to ever be harmed. We need to let these Emperors take the runway naked. Strip them of their power and shatter the illusions people have of them.

Religion is at the very heart of all this. Religion is the Harlot who has shaped governments and declared dominionist wars. We will take down Babylon with our PENS....and with the Internet.

The scenario you have posted in your OP is just silly compared to a proper combat situation.

For a start, anyone in the military knows that if someone walks into a room with a gun and you are unarmed, you don't simply attack the gunman, that will just get you killed (or worse, someone else) and will do no good to anyone. The answer is to keep a clear mind under pressure to allow you to take advantage of any opportunity that may come along. Maybe you could find a couple of other clear headed people to rush the guy, but I doubt you would find people brave enough for that, as there WOULD be casualties arising from such action.

I do agree however that a vast majority of the people in the room will panic or simply freeze up. That's human nature.

Having said that, history has proven that in the case of a NWO oppressive attack, there would, after the initial shock, be a resistance movement, led by people with existing military training who could pass on their knowledge to their subordinates.

FYI, I'm not full time military (I couldn't do what I wanted due to poor eyesight), but I am in the Territorial Army.

Originally posted by Dock9
Fighting the New World Order ?

You mean literally fighting, as in an Anti-NWO army ?

Who believes that's going to happen ?

How could it happen, if we accept this New World Order as being the weft and warp of our daily lives ?

Does anyone believe the New World Order will be an organised, armed, fighting-force which will sweep into towns and cities, weapons raised ?

Isn't the NWO a conspiracy ? Isn't the media one of the primary weapons of the NWO ?

NWO --- compromised education system ?

NWO --- compromised medical industry ?

NWO --- Big Pharma ? Big Business ?

NWO --- corrupted military, police, legal fraternity ?

NWO --- blackmailed puppet-politicians ?



NWO --- everywhere ... like smoke ? Raise your hand. Point your finger at the NWO so you can prove it exists to your sceptic-neighbour. Can't ? Why ?

NWO. There it is ! Look, neighbour ! See it ? See that seeing-eye logo in that commercial ? See it working the strings of that rock-star ? See it in the story-line of that movie, that tv-show, that video-clip ?

Oh come on, neighbour ! Why can't you see it ? It's all around you ! Open your eyes ! ..... Hey, come back ! Why are you giving me that crazy look ? Why are you hurrying away ?

You pick up your gun and run down the street, trying to warn everyone that if they don't shoulder their guns too and fight this enemy, this NWO, then it will be too late

And they lock you up. They medicate you. They pronounce you schizophrenic and 'highly disturbed' ... too much of a danger to yourself and others to be allowed to roam free

7 billion people. Who wants to fight 7 billion people ?

Who has the numbers or even the intent to take on 7 billion --- or even one billion -- in armed combat ?

How many are member of the armed forces, worldwide ? Anyone know ?

Add in the combined world's police forces. Still amounts to a hand-full when compared with 7 billion

And even if they tossed nukes at every capital city, world-wide, they'd still be confronted with billions of survivors and injured and dead and dying

Logistical nightmare. The NWO isn't interested in playing nurse and parent to one or five billion shocked and disorientated dependents who all need food, medicine and somewhere to lie down

They want power, control and profit

The farmer doesn't go out and kill his herds. That would be stupid. Instead, he kills a few and sells their carcass. He milks others. Takes the eggs from more. Encourages them to keep breeding and producing

Sure, he might limit their freedom. He might feed them less. He might push them to produce more from less. He might hold a stick over their heads or beat or kill a few to persuade the rest that it would be in their best interests to obey him

The animals might whisper to each other, ' It's no good protesting. All the farmers are the same these days. There's nowhere left to run. If we run, they'll just shoot us down. We'd better all just keep our heads down, do as we're told and give them what they want. It's ok for a few of the bulls to talk about stampede, but I have young ones to think of '

After a while, the animals will probably say to each other, ' It's not so bad, once you stop fighting and accept it. As long as we do as we're told and keep on churning out a profit for the masters, they allow you to exist. If you just numb yourself and don't allow yourself to think about alternatives to this way of life, it's tolerable '

How about you don't fight 7billion people and start at the top.Like a building collapse at a builderberg meeting.By the way I don't really care which way it goes, NWO or revolution, not bothered.Its an interesting time to be alive.

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Thats a lie. Because us keyboard warriors are the leet.. I mean 1337 of the new world rennaysaunce..



No, honestly, I liked this post. Well put. And so is the one directly following it. But nonetheless, a good thought exercise!

So just who are the ones who want to fight? I would say on the fighter side you have those who for whatever reason(s) internal or external have failed in life and are looking at resetting the playing field. Then you have the young that think they can get ahead quicker under a new playing field, never thinking what if the new field is worst.

On the other side you have those who have been successful and are happy with their lives, or those who have invested many years to have the retirement, savings, property etc that their hard work has provided for them.

I find myself in the position to protect what I have and not be a part of the crowd that wants a game reset.

[edit on 3/19/2010 by murphyhurtme]

I completely agree with you and smiled when I read the title of your thread.

Some peole who read my comment know what I refer to when I say that not so very long ago I started a thread with the title ---how does a cow catch a hare".

This was about the passive attitude of the citizens of the USA towards what happened on that sickening day in september 2001.

Everybody is still busy telling everybody what doesn't add up with the several events that day. Practically nobody is active finding ways to nail the ones responisble against the wall.

Legal ways.....if nessecary lobbying for legislation and demanding making it possible to organise an other way of investigating when the outcome of such commisions is questioned.

Such commisions like the Warren-commision and the 911-commision are designed to get away with the crimes commited.

Like rabbits everybody is staring into the headlights.....nothing is being done and will this tragedy go into history like an other Kennedy murder.

Flag and star for you my friend. There are more and thoughtfull replies I ever received for my thread and I hope your thread will wake up some people.

Thank you for this thread.

EDIT: spelling errorrrrr.....

[edit on 19-3-2010 by zatara]

i don't think 2 % is fair. yes a large number of people who frequent ATS are probably all bark and no bite, but i doubt that is everyone. this is the internet, after all. you gotta expect some pokemon card collector types. i'm sure a large number of us are probably from bad areas, probably seen quite a lot of violence in their lives. some of us probably even used violence against others, maybe been incarcerated, who knows. anyway what i am trying to say is that just because someone has no formal military training doesn't mean we are gonna freeze up when we hear the first gunshot. just because we never got shipped to iraq or afghanistan doesn't mean we aren't familiar with firearms. true, a lot of people would freeze up with bullets whizzing over their head, but most are just going to attempt to defend themselves. when it really comes down to it if your head is in the open sights of an AK-47 all of the military training in the world isn't going to save you when i pull the trigger.

Why most ATS members will never fight the NWO: you are all talk
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I can only disagree with this. And this is why: you already lost man. You lost the second you started to think you could play commando with these guys. As is so often expresses here on ATS the fight is in your mind.

You assume that NWO takeover will be a direct attack in your own area, this is typical of the kind for thing that will cause idiots like you to declare war on your own.

Lets just take a look at a few facts here (and if not fact at least accepted theory by most on ATS)

The NWO as it is most accepted here: is involved in the steady and long term control of the planet, it's resources and it's people by a small but influential group of people consisting of bankers/financiers, politicians, long established aristocratic and/or royal bloodlines, industry leaders and secret societies. To what end, none of us truly know.

These people go way back and there pockets are deep, very deep.- If you think about the origins in time some of these societies and families date from and their commitment to keep their agendas shrouded in mystery, there is good reason to believe that you, and your parents have long been in their control already.

Whatever else may be said about them, agents of NWO are subtle. -True they could storm your house, school or office if the wanted but that kind of control is bad for business, and lets face it business is the order of the day. I doubt anyone even as sinister as them would want oppression and slavery for its own sake. It is now and always has been about, money, land and or assets to them. They have no problem with oppressing people true, but it serves their ends. And it is just that much easier to squeeze your worth to them out of you by manipulating your environment, your thoughts and your income. Thats why is called a New World Order and not a New World Invasion. And believe it they will get their way using order not chaos. They own order, they own banks, courts, civil service bureaucrats, infrastructure. Man they would/can/will break you long before you ever saw anything remotely resembling armed conflict within your own borders

That being the case there would be no reason to storm your place of work and offer you the chance to be the 2% warrior hero you so aspire to be.

People like you have already lost, because you shout about your patriotism, and heroism, you cite your military service as giving you credence but as someone already pointed out it just means you know how to do what your told. Congratulations are in order considering you are so proud of your inability to think independently.

You've already got the me vs the world , US vs them, might is right attitude, And you don't know who the “them” is. None of us do. But in your own head you will be up against someone which just makes it really easy for anyone aware of your ignorance to use you either as a weapon or to just destroy yourself.

In a SHTF environment you are most certainly going to be the one of the first people to mow down your the innocent because you will go straight to the authorities in your “warrior class” for guidance. With limited intelligence, (militarily speaking, and not that which you have already displayed), broken communications, and widespread panic you will quickly be coerced into hostile activity by fear alone of what you do not know. For you, when the lights go out everyone will be a target.

I must admit here (and I know I may get flamed for this) I sometimes wonder if I would lift a single finger if it came to pass. I mean I despise those super elite who influence the world on a huge scale behind closed curtains like its their own playground while we are kept in ignorant bliss. But look at the world, what you are afraid of losing most of the world doesn't even have. And its the same people distributing it to those of us who do have these things that are keeping others from it. If they already run the world using different governments I have to wonder if it might be easier on us the sheep if they just merged all the Governments of the world. But of course they would have if they had had reason before.

Many places in the world could only benefit from a single world authority, I know I come from one. In principle I would welcome a one world govt however the secrecy and deception ,and the historical background of those who seem to be driving this one along with the huge disparities of wealth between the them and even those whom we consider to be rich just too vast and self serving.

I for one think more than 60% of the world could do with policy and government change at local level and 100% of the world needs a major overhaul on the international level especially regarding big business.

Peace

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Ohhh yeah. So what are you doing then???
Oh thats right- chatting on ATS- you big revolutionary, you!!!!!

even if there is the 98% who wont be effective in combat , you forget that if it came to the line , and it was a fight for survival a whole load of people would fight to the death to survive!

the difference between you military people and the civ's is that you have been trained in combat and combat tactics and the art of war, so whether you are in that 2% or not you still have had training.

just because people havent been in a combat situation doesnt mean they cant handle a combat situation , combat isnt always armed !

right now the NWO are exercising warfare on a different level , not physical armed conflict or shows of aggression its combat of the mind !

Propaganda and psyops tactics to get the normal civilians to conform or die in poverty.

If we have any chance of fighting against an NWO using this , we have to appeal to the civilians in the same way , we have to start our own propaganda and psy ops exercises !

as a soldier you should know we have to win the hearts and minds of your troops before they will become effective fighters !

reply to post by hyperion.martin


I read,On Combat and all it did was explain uncontroled bowel movements in an extreme situation witch even hardcore 2%ers (as you put it) have in the begenning at times.The rest of what I could make myself read was informative but would mean nothing to someone who has never been in combat or a life or death situation.Everyone has to start somewhere,or were you just born a trained bad ass.

The comments "I know I am part of the 2%......are you.and sniff you out and you bore US.purtty much says it all about you.

I realize you were just telling a lot off posters what cowerds they really are and how there all going to die but I have more confidence in human nature and the predator instincts in us.Our ability to kill each other is the only real confidence I have in people.

You better hope there are more then 2% that will fight back or you are just as dead as the rest,there is no way only 2% can win this battle.