Why most ATS members will never fight the NWO: you are all talk

reply to post by hyperion.martin


I am onto you,even if nobody else is.Having read thousands upon thousands of books in my life, I have always found it neccessary to go back and re-read previous chapters to make sure the author is not contradicting himself. After thinking about your thread last night and analyzing it further, I went back and re-read some of your previous threads and posts. I have 'sniffed' you out. From your thread 'You fell right into their trap'..."the NWO are not idiots...They have survived..." Here you acknowledge that the NWO exists.But then,you say "...( IF ) a group of powerful people...really existed..." Here you PRETEND to cast an air of uncertainty,with the word 'if'.Then, "We will not win...". Here, with the word "We", you try to give the illusion that you are on 'our' side. But in the same thread you say "...(you) will NEVER WIN a revolution...",once again,you hop the fence to the 'other' side. More goodies from this thread..."Did you really think you were sooooo special that you just figured out the world on your own?That the millions who have not yet joined your club are just fodder or ignorant?" Well, isn't that exactly how you portray yourself in this present thread? I really like this part "...They have...members you would not suspect...". Nothing like hiding the truth right out in the open, is there? Your 2% includes "police". The police are constantly telling the public to not fight back in a life-threatening situation, to just give the bad guys what they want, don't be a hero. Which is exactly what you are attempting to do.Tell the people that they can't win, lay down our arms and let the 2% protect us from the boogey-man. The way I see it , you fall into one of the following categories, but I'm not sure which : (1) Full of ****, (2) A government mole, (3) Anybody's dog (you belong to whoever is hunting at the time). I have always liked the old adage " Be careful what you say, because it might come back around to bite you in the ass ". Another favorite of mine is " It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt " And now, to quote you one last time..." In reality, it is you who are the tool ".

Seeing this is still an active topic I just wanted to add, that by being in this thread alone you are fighting the NWO (If it exists that is..) just by exposing them... You can't fight that which is not real, meaning they don't have an NWO army like many others have said, they are just an influence on our daily lives...

The only true way to fight and win against the so called oppressors would to have everyone stop working. No money = No power...
Expose the truth, which we are all trying to do here are we not?
and to fight with our words and ideals... If we ALL were to stand up against unjust wars so fat cats would stop lining their pockets...
My point in posting this is of course if push came to shove I don't think anyone would let someone come into their neighborhood and start putting people on trucks and shipping them off we are smarter then that (I hope)...
But we constantly allow them to start wars and support wars in other countries for what?
Fighting in Iraq has never done me personally any good and seeing the KBR and haliburton trucks everyday, knowing that the people that sent us there were making literally billions of dollars for their wartime contracts makes me sick every time I think of it...
The only way to win against them is to make sure that these wars stop, the arms industries stop, and we need a more transparent government. Things have been so convoluted in Washington I don't think even the people in charge have a handle on whats going on...

Anyone who agrees with the OP is already a puppet for the NWO and the worst thing of all is that they don't even know it.

Anyone who would put themselves in a position and allow themselves to be dictated to, and used and abused by a government that is morally beneath them is nothing more than a puppet. Wake up and smell the coffee.

[edit on 19-3-2010 by kindred]

Originally posted by kindred
Anyone who agrees with the OP is already a puppet for the NWO and the worst thing of all is that they don't even know it.

Anyone who would put themselves in a position and allow themselves to be dictated to, and used and abused by a government that is morally beneath them is nothing more than a puppet. Wake up and smell the coffee.

[edit on 19-3-2010 by kindred]

Do you have a job?

Do you pay taxes?

Do you follow the law?

Do you attend jury duty?

If you answered yes to any of those then you are no different, unfortunately the system we have created makes it so we are all puppets, whether we work just a 9-5 and go home for the day, or are a front-line ground troop for the military... We are all of the same class...

reply to post by hyperion.martin

LOL - what a joke. If you have NO WEAPON, you DO NOT run towards the person with the gun, especially if only you and 1 other person in the room are doing so.

"Bravery" like that will get you killed, soldier. And a dead soldier is a useless soldier.

So you are so proud of being that brave "2%" - the DEAD 2%, the other 97 people remaining will run away and live to tell others about the gunman, get some guns, and then return to the situation with the actual capability to do something about it.

reply to post by harrytuttle


Exactly what I said earlier mate.

If you attack a gunman unarmed, you will lose!

Hell, I'm only a part time "plastic" soldier and I know that much.

First thing they teach you (well, actually second, the first is "do as I say or you will really, really regret it!") is don't try to be a hero, cause you're no good to us dead! The days of cannon fodder and mindless soldiers is well over. A soldier must use his brains, or else they will end up splattered across the floor.

even the best trained solider can have a bad day.
when it gets to him. he suddenly realizes what is happening.
and freezes up. usually the day he dies.
on the other side.
a mother with a child will take on a gun man.
when the child is in danger.
you dont know until you face it.
good luck!

Originally posted by buddha
a mother with a child will take on a gun man.
when the child is in danger.

Too true, never under-estimate the power of nature and the power of love.

I think many an asailant has realised only too late the perils of threatening a mothers young. Be it in the human or animal kigndom.

100% of the well adjusted women on earth today will not even hesitate, will not even go through the split second thought process, before putting ther own lives before their children.

All you need is love

How do you fight something that lurks in the shadows and hides behind corporations?

if you were in the iraq good job!

as far as fighting the NWO, and giving a lecture on the battle

better dry your ears off sonny, we've been doing it out in the country longer that you been around

dr

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


Hi. I liked your post, but just wanted to mention that Gandhi was assassinated - as opposed to having died naturally.

Maybe you know that and it wasn't your point. Dunno.

peace.

The way I see it is the more people talk about it the more worried they are and also who knows how they will react untill it happens. I believe that I will fight im pretty sure i will but I don't know becuase im to young to join the forces and I am not in that position right now...
I have a gun and I know how to use it thats all I know.

About two years ago my buddy had just come back from Iraq and his family was throwing a party for his return. So of course, all my friends and I were there to welcome him back. Here's the bad part, our buddy had brought along a bunch of his marine buddies with him to party. It wasn't that we didn't want them there but the second we got there, we noticed how ridiculous they were acting. They were just obnoxious, bullies, whatever, just stupid behavior. So we're all trying to have fun but these marine guys won't just let us have it, they want first for everything, first to talk to the girls, first to use the keg, first to use the beer pong table, etc. Well one of these guys ends up hitting one of our buddies from behind his head with a beer bottle for no reason at all. That's seriously when you realize that these guys coming back from Iraq are not ok. They don't think rationally. Big mistake for him. We actually stand up for our friends. Next thing you know we're throwing it down with about 10 marines. There were way more than 10 at the party, but guess, the rest of your tough 2% ran inside the house and did not help out their so called buddies and wouldn't dare come outside. Mind you, about 20 minutes earlier they were all singing some marine chant, arms behind each others backs, telling each other how much they loved each other. No, I'm not joking or embellishing this story. So what happened? Me and my friends, never been to war, beating the @&%$ out of the 2% you're talking about. I smelled fear that day, and it was coming from the marines. So please, this rhetoric is useless and from my experience does not add up to what you're trying to "prove" and if it's useless from one experience then all your "data" is useless. I wouldn't be surprised if that's how the cowards that ran inside the house also handled themselves in Iraq. I've heard stories from friends that are in military of characteristically cowardly people in the military. So are you trying to make up for something you lack by making this post? I really hope not because you made a bold statement, one that doesn't even hold for that matter.

When the day comes when a massive, strong group of people start to take up arms against the NWO, I'll be the one to join in. No bull****. When that day comes is the day I stop posting on ATS, but hopefully, I live to see the day that this happens.

Like my friend says. Live to die for something, and when you get that opportunity, you take it and make something of it.

any fear I have I attribute it to indecision. I am already fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

Or the 2% that you speak of that went inside didn't feel like fighting because their Marine buddies are dumb asses for always wanting to fight... I can't tell you how many times I have watched my Marine buddies start # while out on town for no reason, and guess what I didn't do a thing to "Back them up" it's their fight not mine... Doesn't make me a pussy just makes me smart enough not to get drunk and fight people for no damn good reason... So before you start lumping every Marine that doesn't want to get into a drunken boxing match in the 2% pussy club, I would maybe rethink what you said because frankly it comes off pretty dumb to group all Marines based off your one night at a drunken college party....

My theory is this, could be my brother, friend, or fellow Marine...

Big enough to start #, you should be big enough to finish it yourself, UNLESS people start jumping in and it becomes an uneven fight then I would jump in...

[edit on 19-3-2010 by Envisionimage]

reply to post by hyperion.martin


I haven't read that book but I have served on the front lines of Iraq twice, once during the invasion and once fighting in the Hit-Haditha corridor during the occupation as a light armor recon/ infantry Marine. I can tell you that you are probably right about most people not fighting but I would like to clarify as why that is. The phobic reaction is actually an adrenaline based response to an unfamiliar experience which generates fear (causing fight , flight or freeze reaction). Many people run or freeze in times of panic and almost everyone who isn't trained and practiced will not fight simply because it is all animals and humans natural reaction to freeze first, if that doesn't work to run, and then only as an absolute last resort to fight. This is why combat drills are so critical, this teaches you that in situation X you don't run, you seek cover, or whatever the appropriate action is. Is it brainwashing, probably, is it necessary to survive combat... 100%.


People have a unique situation in that hesitation can mean death when guns and premeditated intent come into play where as animals can often avoid a predator by simply freezing in place and not drawing its attention, or by trying to outrun it.

In the Marines you learn, and I remember thinking "holy crap, I hope this doesn't happen to me" that in combat and under extreme duress you body and mind will work together to increase your chance of survival, you can lose control of bowels or train of thought, and in its natural process of events the mind can put you more in harms way because things that work on the open plains against a lion don't do anything against a 50 cal. So when people come under fire, they naturally want to break cover and run... not good.

The only good thing about this is that it can be overcome or surpressed. In the example you gave where someone shoots another person and everyone freezes and starts shaking (from adrenaline preparing your body to haul butt if freezing doesn't work). What would happen in the next 2-10 minutes is what shows its more of a natural and controllable reaction. As people's adrenaline wears down they begin to think more clearly and begin to form plans to "overcome" or escape the danger that is presented to them rather than just sit frozen in terror for all time. In a relatively short period of time they will become more relaxed and return to a more rational state. Some people will remain locked in that fearful state but it is a very marginal number, and most people will become less responsive to threats without proof of immediate danger. I.E. if the gunman points his gun at someone every 5 minutes and says he is going to shoot but doesn't even though he has shot someone already people still become desenitized to this.

The only thing you do other than run drills of the most likely scenarios (I.E. fire and tornado drills or Martial arts drills) to help yourself become more capable of handling those situations is to put yourself in a situation that isn't dangerous but causes the same reaction. I.E. by a fence with an aggressive dog, have someone you know get in your face, or anything that causes your heart rate to climb, your breathing to quicken and makes you think, run or back away. Stay there (unless you really are in danger) and just try to control your breathing. Your breathing is the only thing that you can control both consciously and subconsciously (that's why it is used in so many things like yoga, hypnosis and many other things) and if you force it to slow down it will help bring everything else in line. The more you practice that the more natural breath and relax will become.

*Edited for horrific grammar and spelling... and I know I didn't get it all

[edit on 19-3-2010 by Virole]

reply to post by Envisionimage


Ok, well then it seems like the 2% theory just doesn't add up. You can say that they didn't want to back up their friends for starting a stupid fight but I disagree, I was there and I saw genuine fear in their eyes. If we had done nothing, I can almost guarantee most of those marines would have jumped in. Anyway, what I'm trying to prove is that being in the military does not make you the only person with the cajones to stand up for what you believe in. I will never join the military because I like to think I have more brains than to go fight for "freedom" when the only people threatening our freedom are the same ones who send us to war. Does that mean I won't stand up for myself, my friends or my family from any threatening force? No. It means that I pick and choose my fights wisely. I'm not gonna defend those (government) who don't care about me. When the fight is brought to me though and I have no choice, you can bet I won't sit by and let them try and control me. The person to fear the most is the person with nothing to lose. Some people will be cowards by instinct and some won't, being in the military is no measure of that.

Originally posted by TrueTruth

We don't need to take up arms. We need to shut off the tube,read more books, read more diverse and scholarly press, and ORGANIZE. We could drive the companies we claim to loathe out of business in days if we just had the will. But we don't. We're comfortable. Too comfortable. We live a life of largess only possible thanks to our forefathers' fortuitous access to lands, resources and labor, in addition to our ability to project military might.

Our lifestyle is on the way out. Who is going to decide what will replace it? Communities, or corporations?

starred flagged and friended..re Televsion, you might enjoy the comments of a dutch Psychiatrist who was detained by the nazis...and escaped with the assistance of the French Resistance' to write a book called "The Rape of the Mind" (c) 1956 by Dr Joost Meerloo

"The Creeping Coercion by Technology

Radio and television catch the mind directly, leaving children no time for calm, dialectic conversation with their books. The view from the screen doesn't allow for the freedom-arousing mutuality of communication and discussion. Conversation is the lost art. These inventions steal time and steal self-awareness. What technology gives with one hand-easiness and physical security-it takes away with the other. It has taken away affectionate relationships between men. The depersonalized Christmas card with its printed signature, the form letter, the very typewriter are examples of mechanical proxies. Technical intrusion usurps human relationships, as if people no longer had to give one another attention and love any more. The bottle replaces Mother's breast, the nickel in the automat replaces Mother's preparation of sandwiches. The impersonal machine replaces human gesture and mutuality. Children educated in this way prefer to be alone, with fantasies to escape into and gadgets to play with. Mechanization pushes them into mental withdrawal. "

www.lermanet.com...

In reply to comments regarding Freedom and Liberty, I should add that there is also Duty...and without a sense of duty to our family, friends, tribe, as well as planet - there is only anarchy.

Liberty was defined in 1766 by a Rhode Island Son of Liberty named Silas Downer as "the feeling one gets sitting under a tree in the wilderness"

Guiseppie Mazzini, 1854 defined Liberty "Liberty is a gift from God, without Liberty there can be no responsibility, no ability to choose between good and evil" "A notion of duty towards others and towards society was at the center of his political creed"

Hope this posting and the links make readers wiser..

reply to post by seataka


Thanks seataka. Very kind of you.

I couldn't agree more about the relationship degrading nature of today's media - nowhere is this giveth and taketh phenomenon your post mentioned more evident (to me) than in this very thing we're doing right now - communicating online. It's funny to me, although sad, how people spend so much time with 'friends' online, and yet hardly know their neighbors' names... and of course, the deamon TV who keeps it's slaves tethered to a sofa and a remote....and the numbing of the mind...

i read an article recently mentioning that kids' vocabularies are shrinking in relation to over-use of texting (have never, will never use texting - i hate it), since kids use a limited set of shrunken down words (abreves) - and the stupid machine even picks what word to select next. all need for thought? eliminated.

to me, television is so very stupid, i actually get angry watching it. i feel like my intelligence is being intentionally insulted. it took a little getting used to, like dropping any bad habit, but now? i never even think about it.

oops - gotta run - real live person just got here!

later.