What might really be happening in Washington State?

reply to post by westcoast


WE talked about this - time for a visit to the East Coast! This whole thing is escalating IMO. The Pacific Plate is unstable IMO - All the signs are there IMO.

Quake moved Japan coast 8 feet; shifted Earth's axis

The powerful earthquake that unleashed a devastating tsunami Friday appears to have moved the main island of Japan by 8 feet (2.4 meters) and shifted the Earth on its axis.

At this point, we know that one GPS station moved (8 feet), and we have seen a map from GSI (Geospatial Information Authority) in Japan showing the pattern of shift over a large area is consistent with about that much shift of the land mass," said Kenneth Hudnut, a geophysicist with the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS).

A local article:

UW Seismologists Say Washington Due For Its 'Own Version' Of Japan Quake



Ofcourse, right now I am a bit worried about radiation fall-out.... (okay, back to bed)

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Well now I'm confused. I thought the Pacific Plate was moving west which created the catastrophe. I didn't know that Japan was capable of moving east. That means that the Eurasian plate may have caused the pressure. This is a new way of looking at it.

So I feel very strongly to urge my WestCoast friends to pay attention to what is going on with the quakes/deep tremors and other signs. Especially for the next few days/week.

First, I just want to try and reassure everyone that our risk to any nuclear fallout still seems very minimal at this point. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be vigilant and prepare. I hadn't thought to add Potassium Iodine to my emergency kit....but after not being able to find any in the stores today I have two bottles on order. I think it is better to have it and not need it vs need it and not have it. Ya know??

Anyways, our local paper ran this article today:

State: Nuclear event in Japan poses no health risk in Washington

The state Department of Health has found no evidence of elevated levels of radiation after an explosion Saturday at a Japanese reactor site.

A press release issued by the department shortly before 3 p.m. said it is monitoring for airborne radiation as a precaution only and expects no public health risk in the state.

The fact that they are even monitoring the air makes it all very real, but to know that they are and that nothing has been detected gives me a great piece of mind, so I wanted to share this.


NOW.....As noted in the post above, the mechanism involved in this quake is simply beyond comprehension. To move a whole island, open a tear in the sea floor over 160x90 miles wide...I think the West coast dodged a bullet (with the tsunami). I am amazed, that with that much displacement we didn't have a wall of water barrelling at us. (hopefully there isn't a slow moving rouge wave out there still)

First, I want to share something I found while looking through what is called a spectogram. I have talked about this on my deep tremor thread as it is part of the deep tremor array monitoring. It is an experimental way of 'listening' for the deep tremors. I noticed that at 6:00 UTC, most of the spectograms (set up along the coast) had a major spike that lasted until what looks to be about 9:45 and then ebbs away. I have posted in several threads that I had a very strong, sudden sense of doom at about 6:45 (I posted about it at 7:45 that night) and I can't help but wonder if it could be connected. I seem sensitive to low freq sounds, so who knows? Anyways, I have forwarded my thoughts and links to the graphs to one of the scientists that helped develop the array. (I have exchanged emails with her before) I am very curious to get her opinion as to whether they may have picked up on the energy/sounds associated with the Japan quake. Here is a link to the spectograms with a map:

SPECTOGRAMS

You will notice that most of them show a sudden spike at about 6:00 UTC(look at the measure in black at the top) that suddenly drops away just before 10:00. Have we found a way of early detection?? I know that personally, I will be paying much more attention to these from now on.


Next...if you read back through the last couple of pages on this thread, you will see how I have been talking about a correlation between the deep tremors/absence of and quakes. I mentioned before the quake that the lack of tremors for so many days was making me nervous. I noted and talked about this correlation to the cluster of quakes we had last week off the coast of Oregon on the Juan De Fuca plate. Since the 7.2 foreshock in Japan....it has been eerily quiet in our region. WAYYYYYY too quiet. I don't like that. You see, I figure the quake in Japan will either:

1. Relieve pressure on the plate and settle things down for a bit (wishful thinking I believe)

2. The sudden, massive release and movement of the plate will result in a 're-settleing' in other areas. A yin-yang or cause and affect.

3. Nothing. All of it is absolutely random and it is impossible to guess at what might happen next.



Although I would love to believe in option 1, I personally abscribe option 2. I feel that we live in a closed ecosystem and the energy released in this quake will -must- be answered. I think we are already seeing this with the swarm occuring now in the Gulf of California. Remember the quake that happened near there last April after the Haiti and Chili quake? Here is the current quake list for that location:

MAP 4.6 2011/03/13 02:50:11 25.442 -109.763 23.6 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 4.5 2011/03/12 21:58:39 25.308 -109.837 10.2 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 4.3 2011/03/12 20:16:58 25.423 -109.730 10.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 4.7 2011/03/12 17:54:18 25.456 -109.690 22.2 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 5.1 2011/03/12 17:13:01 25.466 -109.727 10.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 5.3 2011/03/12 14:11:04 25.396 -109.652 12.1 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 4.4 2011/03/12 12:03:42 25.260 -109.964 10.1 GULF OF CALIFORNIA

Check out the MAP


I think these are foreshocks and we will see a quake of 7.0 or greater in the next day or two. If this occurs, than I think it will further our chances of having movement in our subduction zone.

Why? Because things are shifting....our axis shifted. The whole island of Japan moved at least 8 feet. How can there NOT be motion elsewhere in answer to this? Maybe the easiest way for me to relay my reasons is to just list them:

1. We are wayyyy over due for a major shift :UW Seismologists Say Washington Due For Its 'Own Version' Of Japan Quake


2. Lack of hardly any quake activity in our region for the past week after several months of increased, small quakes in unusuall spots.

(all you have to do is look back through this thread and the helens thread to see how much activity we have had recently)

3. Deep tremors. They have been odd lately. Again, I have spoken about this a lot lately. After several days of literally no tremors, today it looks as if we have 124 of them the whole length of the subduction zone. For some time now the tremors have been isolated to one area. This is the first time I have seen them so spread out in a while. Normally, seeing them come back might make me feel better....but since I am fearing a major shift, the fact that now after the 8.9 they suddenly return all spread out and still no regular quakes:




I selected the option to show the plot with time vs color so that you can see they occured widespread at the same time, vs going from one end to the other as is more typical.

4. As I stated before, Yin and Yang. I strongly believe in cause and affect. I apply this daily in my life and see the correlations over and over again. I think it holds true in all aspects of life as well as the physical world. This quake in Japan will be answered...either by multiple releases in various places or by a couple of bigger ones or one comparable. Just remember that a 8.9 is 700 times bigger than a 7.8.....think about that and how it applies to what I am talking about. Think about it.

5. My gut just tells me so. I have learned to listen to my gut...feel free to ignore it.

6. The huge perigee moon....alignment of comet elenin ...the active sun.


This following news cast is very scary but a must for anyone living on the West Coast:

What if Japan tsunami happened here?
(I can't embed the video, please click on above link)

What happened in Japan is the worst case scenario for the Pacific Northwest, too. The fault line off the Washington coast is capable of a quake that could be even more powerful. So what would happened if we saw a tsunami the size of Japan's?

So that's it, these are my fears and my reasons behind them. I hope I am wrong and the West coast dodges a subduction Mega Quake for another 300 years!


@Zenius...I am not sure how the Japan subducting plates and the plate south of Tokyo all interact. I only know that this much movement has to do something to the other side, which is us Here is a great map of the subduction and plates off Washington Coast:



(In looking at this picture, you can see the Pacific plate IS, in fact suposedly moving WEST. SO...if it shifted to the EAST with that 8.9 quake...what do you think that would do to the Juan de Fuca plate subducting under the North American plate? You see what I mean??)

In closing, I will share an image that I feel is another piece of the puzzle. This is the picture I took near my home of the Perigee last month. This next week it will be even BIGGER!

Oh my gosh. That is a lot of data backing up concerns regarding something happening soon in the Pacific Northwest! All I have is a feeling. Which surprisingly isn't as convincing.

Thank you a LOT for your effort. Especially during this time when so much information is flying everywhere and it's difficult to get oriented again & get a gauge on what this could potentially mean for us.

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Yes,my head is spinning from it all....but I can still see the connections well enough through the haze to bring my focus back around.

It's all there...I think it is only a matter of time. Of course, the scientists have been telling us that for years now. I am just afraid that the circumstances right now are making the conditions more likely.

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Wow westcoast... just WOW!!!

You pulled all of that together and established your thoughts, ideas and theories in such a compelling manner. Bravo!!!

Compelling... and logical. And trust me, typing out the word "logical" was hard for me to do. Because I want so very much, for you to be wrong. However my instincts, along with my own thoughts and ideas, align perfectly with yours.

I think you are absolutely correct. That's all I can say.

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Thanks...I really hope I am wrong, but I just want to urge everyone with the potential of being affected to be aware and prepared. You should already be prepared anyways...but if not, maybe this will compel you.

reply to post by westcoast

Hi Westcoast,

thank you for this great post! Much appreciated.

I'm worried about something, though. Under your point 3) for Deep Tremors, you posted an image of the one-day plot map for deep tremor activity in the PNW for March 12, showing 124 epicenters spread over a nine-hour period. I'm glad you posted that, because what worries me is that late yesterday my time I checked the same resource on PNSN and it showed no tremors at all. This would have been after you'd taken your screen shot for your post.

I thought maybe I'd made an error and selected the wrong date on the PNSN interactive map, but I have just checked it again several times and there is no way I can correlate what is showing in your image with what I'm seeing now. There is not even any combination of days in recent times that will give a figure of 124 epicenters. But in any case, your plot is for a single day, not for a range of days.

Here is what I get for a single-day plot for March 12, 2011:



There is no doubt that my plot request from the PNSN data base is for exactly the same day and format as you requested and posted. For any members who are not sure what I mean, this plot is based on a request to the data base to show "all regions" (within its data base), and to plot deep tremor epicenters over time in a color-coded format and display their number. The screenshot of the graphic clearly shows it's for a one-day plot for all of March 12 within those parameters.

It did that and there aren't any to display!

Note also that it says in the top right-hand corner "Last activity: 03/09/2011". According to what PNSN is now saying, there have not been any deep tremors at all recorded since March 9 (meaning from and including March 10). However, your screen shot shows quite unequivocally that there was data in the system that showed 124 tremors on March 12, and that can only mean that for some reason, all of that data has been removed!

I think this matter is of great concern and requires further investigation.

I also think that we might need to check this interactive data base more frequently and take screen shots and store them, in case this happens again. And the question naturally arises: has this happened before?

Mike

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Okay, I don't say this often, but WTF???!!!! I thought you must have been mistaken, but oh man you are right. They are GONE! I am really glad now that I did the screen shot at not just linked it.

You can clearly see in my screenshot the date. I have NEVER seen tremors removed. I willl compose an email later (going back to bed...dogs woke me up). This is bizarre and a little scary.

reply to post by westcoast

Westcoast, by all means compose the email but don't send it yet. Let's do some digging first. I think that this may not be the first time it's happened.

Mike

Well folks, if we take another look at the original screenshot that Westcoast posted a little ways above and which I'll include here for convenience...

... we get some impression but the actual time/location relationships of the deep tremors are unclear.

To make things clearer, I extracted the graphical information and created a series of images, then put them into an animated gif. Now we can see what was actually going on:


(Note: the colors I've used for the epicenter markers follow those used originally. Dark blue ones are the earliest, and the others follow in time according to the time chart shown on the right, so that the dark red ones are the most recent. I also have to state that it was impossible to discern 124 separate epicenters, because many are hidden beneath others. Even so, the 54 that I was able to clearly determine and then superimpose onto a "clean map" give a very good indicator of the pattern.)

What concerns me here is that the deep-tremor activity was well distributed: it was not of the form we are used to seeing, when typically there are one or two "patches" of activity, almost as if there is some kind of seismic ping-pong going on. Here, there are tremors up and down almost the whole length of the (assumed) subducted region for most of the nine-hour period that was originally recorded and published. To put it simply, the whole thing was shaking.

We are indeed thankful that Westcoast saved that screenshot, because a few hours later that data was gone and the page for that day now shows no tremors at all. It's as if they never happened.

So: on perhaps the first occasion we have seen long and consistent tremors along almost all of this section, the data gets pulled. Checking back through some old data and screen shots (including a couple that westcoast had posted in this thread) and comparing them to what's available by going back through the online records, I could find no evidence of previous mass-removal of all of a day's data. My original suspicion was that this "removal" of data had perhaps happened before but we simply hadn't noticed, but now I have to say that it doesn't appear to be the case. This seems to be the first time.

And this happens one day after one of the biggest quakes in a century occurs on the other side of the Pacific plate.

I don't like this at all.

Mike

reply to post by JustMike
Well I am thankful we have the ATS crew to keep an eye on all of this.
It has been a great help in keeping ahead of the media,.
and a fantastic educational tool

reply to post by JustMike


Mike, that is an incredible animation that clearly demonstrates what I thought it looked like. Thank you. I have since saved screen shots of those spectograms incase they, too disapear and I will try and figure out my computers cache to find any other images.

I just noted on the alternative predictions thread that my little dog was doing her shaking again. Really bad. She typically does that up to three or four hours before a local (whithin 30 miles so far) quake.


ETA: Here is an updated list of the quakes in the Gulf of California:

MAP 4.6 2011/03/13 16:07:35 25.312 -109.751 14.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 4.0 2011/03/13 05:54:25 25.276 -110.076 10.1 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 4.6 2011/03/13 02:50:11 25.442 -109.763 23.6 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 4.5 2011/03/12 21:58:39 25.308 -109.837 10.2 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 4.3 2011/03/12 20:16:58 25.423 -109.730 10.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 4.7 2011/03/12 17:54:18 25.456 -109.690 22.2 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 5.1 2011/03/12 17:13:01 25.466 -109.727 10.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 5.3 2011/03/12 14:11:04 25.396 -109.652 12.1 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
MAP 4.4 2011/03/12 12:03:42 25.260 -109.964 10.1 GULF OF CALIFORNIA


Not looking any better.

[quote VERY intersting info on the formation and dynamics of the PNW.

link



If I was posting on GLP i would say **** *** **** ** **** ****! but i am not. Ocean floor is and can only be soft volcanic rock with the oldest being around 400 million years old. It seems more likely to me that this plate is one that sank in the last or earlier Earth expansion phases.

I know the theory is still disregarded by pretty much everyone, but it will slowly get pushed into the mainstream, probably the day they try and tell us the reason New Zealand disappear was because it was sitting on giant salt deposits and the hot oil melted the salt leaving massive caverns that collapsed, oh sorry that is the Gulf state in the USA.

Well, here is more eviedence that the pacific plate has undergone significant movement:

2103: Japan's Earthquake Research Committee estimates Friday's devastating earthquake forced the tectonic plate on which Japan sits to spring eastward by about 20m (66 feet), says NHK. The researchers also say the quake caused some areas, from Iwate to Fukushima prefectures, to sink up to about 75cm.

SOURCE


I still don't undertand the mechanics here...how the whole plate shifted to the east when it is suposed to be moving to the west? This means it pushed up against the Juan De Fuca plate, potentially adding even more pressure against it and the locked North American plate that it is subducting under.

How much more stress can our subduction zone take? This really scares me. The fact that those deep tremors were removed....I just can't believe that the scientist would be a part of covering this up. I believe that most of them are in their job for the purpose of learning and saving lives, not covering things up. I am perplexed and stressed and looking for more indications.

So I am off to look through the PNSN seismographs for other signs of things building,or starting to go. These are scary times.

Also to note, my little dog is no longer shaking....but she is scared. She went under the table and sat on my feet..staring out at something that wasn't there, but that she is obviously scared of. My 'big quake' dog is growling at nothing and they are both laying on me....


JustMike..I can't seem to find anyway to pull those other screens up. All I can find are cookies

Seems as though I picked an excellent time to move to the pacific northwest huh?

Go figure....

I'm not too worried about these things.

Life comes.
Life goes.
It's a fact that is well established and I humbly accept it.

Best of wishes
A2D

Originally posted by westcoast
Thanks for the replies. The fact that no one has jumped up and told me I'm stupid is not making me feel any better though.

I wanted to keep the original post as scientific as possible, so now I would also like to add to my list of reasons, the recent 'noise' phenomenom.

I am a personal 'witness' to the strange sounds we have been experiencing here. There is a long thread on it, I will find it and add it here in a bit. The best way I can describe it is as if the ground is resonating and then this resonation is bounced off the atmosphere and then you hear it as a kind of far away, distant thunder, but closer than it sounds. Wow...does that even make sense to anyone besides myself?

Let me describe it this way: I was outside at night and heard what I thought was a wierd thunder, but I knew it wasn't thunder. It was if I could feel the vibration in my body and then hear it from a distance, low and rumbling. The sky was clear over me and according to the radar, everywhere near me. I immediately went inside and checked to make sure baker wasn't rumbling (that's what it sounded like) and checked the local weather. I found the thread regarding this very noise later and I just don't know what to make of it. I have heard it three times now.

I have always thought it was geological in nature. When I found out about the possible caldera, I immediately thought of this 'noise' and wondered if it could be connected.

Okay...back to the thread.

TA, I eagerly await to hear what your reply is. I am hoping it can be easily explained away as something other than HT. I agree that many, many seismos all along the coast are looking wierd. But again, I do not normally monitor those specific stations, so I can not give an opinion on them.

I am going to do some more research later tonight when I actually have time and do some comparisons. I'll try to debunk some of this myself, and hopefully wont find more info to support it.

Edit to add the thread link: What's shaking the skies of the northwest?

[edit on 15-3-2010 by westcoast]

Greetings WC...

FYI... I've been hearing things similar to what you've described here in Las Vegas off and on for several months now... Being from Southern California originally, and living at that time near the Boeing, Rocketdyne, and Lockheed testing grounds, the roars and rumblings of the most powerful rocket engines on the planet are sounds I'm familiar with. The rumblings I've heard here sound similar to those, with one major exception: there are no testing grounds near Las Vegas... Mercury and Tonapah being alot further away from Vegas than Simi Valley is to Northridge.

I just heard it again, just now since starting this reply. They usually last from 5 seconds to upwards of a minute...

The Long Valley caldera system is roughly 4 hours away driving by car... you mentioned an atmospheric deflection of the rumbling you're hearing... well, that's probably the case here too...

I'm in LV, Nevada, to be sure... a long way away from you, but not too distant as to be affected by the very geological forces you are writing about in this post. Indeed, I've hypothesized for about a year now that the Cascade mt. range (as a separate entity from the Sierra Nevada connector range) is identified as such because for some strange reason the area around the Peuget Sound is highly fractured, with the Snake River Plateau continuing to lift up in response to some force driving against it opposite the North American Plate - a force more powerful than that of the Pacific too, I might add.

This hypothesized anomaly of mine has actually matured into a belief that connects the YellowStone Caldera system to the Long Valley Caldera system, with the newly discovered under water caldera system you mentioned in this post marking yet another boundary of this hypothesized anomaly of mine.

Hypothesized anomaly:

The Snake River Plateau represents a large block fracture that is being pushed upward by the force of a deflected subduction zone body being strengthened by a pressurized force (making it more structurally reinforced in nature than the subductor plate) and then forced back upwards by an impervious elemental deposit (subducted kimberlite?) moving in conjunction with the Pacific Plate, forcing this block fracture upwards, and marking fracture boundary locations with volcanic caldera sysems - as they represent the pulverizing fracture zones that are surely ocurring as this hardened monolithic anomaly progresses it's momentum.

Batholiths have NOTHING on the strength and size of this hardened block plateau, however... the magma chambers that mark these known caldera systems, while intense in of themselves, are connected to and influenced by, an even deeper and larger chamber of magma, more densly compressed and charged than that found at the level of the Earth's mantle even, that this hardened subduction deposit has created.

The possibility that, one day, a concerted erruption from the caldera systems forming the boundaries of this block fracture may occur are astronomically astounding... Lake Toba would shrink into miniscularity compared o such a possibility... the question is (one that I can wager the scientific community has never researched, let alone concieved of):

Has this ever occurred with the Snake River Plateau before?

I thought I'd share that insight with you...

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I find your theory very interesting. I see that you, like myself, prefer to look at the bigger picture. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that all these features were connected. I am sure there must be some scientists out there studying it, but the geological society is careful about what they support openly. You see, the general public scares easily and is quick to destroy anyone that threatens their calm world.

JustMike: I noticed that I posted my info around 9:30 PST, and on the deep tremors website it says it was last updated on March 13th, 00:24 PST. A few hours later. To my knowledge, I have only EVER seen it updated daily at 5:00PM. I think Berkeleygal can attest to that. She has many screen shots and watches it to. I wonder what prompted them to go in at erase that data at 12:30 in the morning??? Very disturbing.

If you look at the the spectograms for today you can see things are quite active:

Spectograms

Especially at SMW....out on the peninsula, the same area I am picking up activity on the seismographs.

Time to pull up GEE...I have been avoiding it lately. I have been too anxious.

reply to post by westcoast

I wish I could concentrate better right now. It's coming in waves. I can write and then my fingers keep hitting wrong keys and I'm spending more time backspacing and correcting than writing!

Anyway, soldiering on...

Thanks for your comments about the gif thing. It was a little bit tedious to assemble but considering the circumstances I felt it necessary. It was done by overlaying the original (data-filled) map onto a "clean" map (one showing no data -- namely the "revised" one from March 12 ), then making new dots in the right colors and re-plotting them onto the ones on the original (one set of colored dots at a time), followed by then deleting the overlaid map to just leave the layered dots (of only one color) on the "clean" map, but in the original places. After that it was just a matter of adding in the arrows as layers and then saving the image. Then I deleted the layered dots, re-add the layer with the original dots and repeated for the next color and so on. After I had the six images with one set of dots on each I just resaved them as JPEGs and then loaded them into a gif maker.

You know, I think we can guess why that data got deleted on PNSN. This was not due to some kind of technical glitch, it was because we have not had quite that layour of deep tremors recorded before. Not so comprehensively.

I think that data was evidence of increased pressure all along that boundary. I also think that although that data was removed from the public database, it's being studied in great detail and with some concern.

Does it mean the plate's about to let rip? I don't know and I don't think they do either. But I'm pretty sure they're trying to find out. As to why they "updated" the site at 24 minutes past midnight, it tells us several things.

First, they were really burning the midnight oil, weren't they? I mean, they have contact with their scientific colleagues in Japan, so it's not like they had to pore over data at that time of night just to find out what had gone on way across the Pacific. These experts often spend years researching the data from a megathrust quake. But this time, they were clearly working late -- a full day and a half after the quake hit in Japan. That's pretty amazing and frankly a matter for concern.

Secondly, the fact is that someone had to physically remove that data from the public database, but (obviously) still keep it saved for their own use. There is no way one of the staffer seismologists who pulled the night shift would have removed that public data without authority from HIGH up, and that tells us that people high up (a ) know what is in that data and ( b ) authorized for it to be pulled. And those "high ups" would not just be pen-pushers, they'd be top-quality people in the field of reading and analyzing that kind of data and interpolating its import.

Thirdly, they pulled it before many people would have a chance to get a copy, and did not even make a notation that the "data was removed because of technical errors" or such toffee. No, they are too smart for that. Old Chinese saying: "Do not attract attention to problem by attempting to fix it when others can see."

They tried to fix it when they figured most others wouldn't see it.

But even so, they know there are geeks like us who follow this stuff like some kids follow the latest computer game releases. We check them every day. I guess the one/s who made the ultimate decision to pull the data reasoned it this way:

"If we pull the data, some people might notice but most won't. And those who noticed, well okay we can sell them some story if they try to kick up about it. But if we don't pull it and we leave it there forever amen, lots more people will notice, including some who'll put two and two together and get four -- and then one day it might come back to haunt us because we

NEVER ISSUED A WARNING!"

That's what I think...