Why would a god allow so much pain and suffering?

reply to post by ararisq

If you put yourself in that situation you could understand that there was no right answer - either Lot gives up his daughters to satisfy the crowd or he puts himself, his family, and the entire crowd in the path of destruction. I would assume though, that had he understood God at the time that he could have saved everyone. Remember nothing of God is really understood until much later with Abraham's grandson Jacob.

Complete drivel ! Lot offered up his daughters to save the rear ends of his "angel" buddies come on mate get a grip on reality here.
No decent human father would commit such a repugnant act let alone have sex with them and get the pregnant.


The point you are completely missing here is that in the 21st century my morals,compassion and mercy far exceed that of your god.

Fortunately, the myth of sodom and gamorah is but the product of the fertile imagination of some scribes.

Originally posted by yodagod
reply to post by ararisq

 

I take it that you've never watched your firstborn die a slow painful merciless malingering death. Perhaps if I wished that upon you, you may decide to reconsider how life is "overvalued" as you so eloquently put it.

I have watched people die. Everyone will die in the end some peacefully and others not. The point is that life happens and that it is unreasonable to expect God to come sweeping in to the rescue every person that is nearing death. We overvalue life because we view death as the end - but death is the beginning, not the end.

Its painful and lonely to be separated from those that you love but it is unreasonable to expect God to stop it from happening if the spiritual realm is superior to the physical. A lot of people only get relief from their suffering through death.

I know it doesn't make sense all the time, but I can accept that.

reply to post by SlapBassist531

In the terms of how God killed, you are failing to understand the pretexts of the situation and rather are just looking at "Oh well, he killed them and killing is a sin so he is a sinner!!".

What you seem to fail to understand is, the absurdity of creating something and then expecting it to act in a manner it wasn't created.

Originally posted by yodagod
reply to post by ararisq

 

The point you are completely missing here is that in the 21st century my morals,compassion and mercy far exceed that of your god.

I understand your point of view, I used to be there but you seem to have a lot of anger in regard to God.

reply to post by ararisq

We overvalue life because we view death as the end - but death is the beginning, not the end.

You cannot know this as you are not dead you just repeat what you what other people have told you, unless of course you are claiming to have died at some point.

Its painful and lonely to be separated from those that you love but it is unreasonable to expect God to stop it from happening if the spiritual realm is superior to the physical.

Why is it unreasonable ? The new testament god promised that you could stop it. Either he lied or you are deluded

Matthew 21:21:

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.

A lot of people only get relief from their suffering through death

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A lot of babies are born to suffer endlessly then die, their only relief from the suffering is death.

Ah, what a clever and original way to teach somebody something, make somebody else suffer !!

I know it doesn't make sense all the time, but I can accept that.

Christians are known for doing this, it's called not facing up to reality and making excuses for an imaginary friend.

reply to post by yodagodWhat a load of religious nonsense bunkum ,

Oh that Lot was such a nice guy what did he do when the gay parade wanted him to send out the two so called angels ?

Well he does what any good father would do he offers up his two virgin daughters to be buggered in their place !!!!

But if that wasn't enough for this "righteous man that god saves" he later has sex with "both" his own daughters and gets them both pregnant !

Nothing has changed then in all these years "the lord" and still his sheeple are still homophobic with a tendency to make allowances for pedophiles or even encourage them.


The people of the town were wanting to have sex with the angels or to gain "carnal knowledge" of them. You are also misconstruing him having sex with his daughters. Yes, it did happen, but why don't you mention the daughters having taken it upon themselves to keep the family line going since their mother was turned into a pillar of salt, and they got him extremely drunk and took advantage of him. Was it right? No, but you also have to remember during that time having relations with family then weren't out of the ordinary because gene lines were still pure and God hadn't given the law for it then yet. Just because he was a "righteous man" doesn't mean he was perfect. The only one who has entered and left this world in perfection was Jesus Christ, yet because of his love for us he sacrificed himself to pay for what we all should be paying. Stop cherry-picking and misconstruing whats going on in the bible and talking smack about it unless you read the entire story in context buddy.

Originally posted by ararisq

Originally posted by yodagod
reply to post by ararisq

 

The point you are completely missing here is that in the 21st century my morals,compassion and mercy far exceed that of your god.

I understand your point of view, I used to be there but you seem to have a lot of anger in regard to God.

No you don't understand my point of view at all, I'm not angry with your god simply because there's no evidence your god exists.

And to be perfectly honest who the hell in their right mind would want a nut job like yahwhe to be real ?

Like I said my own morals, mercy and compassion far exceed that of your god, I must be the product of a really nice god like Krishna or something lol

reply to post by SlapBassist531

but you also have to remember during that time having relations with family then weren't out of the ordinary because gene lines were still pure and God hadn't given the law for it then yet.

The reason "he " hadn't given a law for it yet is because "he " is imaginary !

The intermarrying episodes are alluding to the common practice of keeping royal blood in the families of Egyptians .

This is an Egyptian tale glossed over by religious buggery

this is interesting -
Josephus gives the Egyptian name for Joseph as Sothom Phanech and this name has an accurate translation . Sothom translates precisely as Sotham in the Egyptian and this means to "fornicate". The equivalent of Phancech is fanuch , which means to create or propagate.
Therefore Josephs Egytptian title was Sotham fanuch or "Creation through Fornication".

Interesting no ? I was just doing a little reading on the lack of evidence for Sodom while I was on this thread.

reply to post by Maddogkull

Why would a god allow so much pain and suffering?

Why would Shakespeare write Hamlet?

See that’s not fair, you just answered my question with another question

[edit on 15-3-2010 by Maddogkull]

In the insightful words of Edith Bunker:

"It's so when we get to Heaven, we'll notice the improvement"


Seriously though? I think we all agreed on this life before we incarnated back here. There are life-lessons that we all need(ed) and can only achieve through certain circumstances. Good, bad, sad, happy, painful, joyful, tragedy and blissful.
It's all part of our 'lesson' and will make sense to us once we're out of here and onto our next journey!

reply to post by Donnie Darko


I do not see how God could not create a more powerful God. God would, by definition, be a creator. God would be all-knowing, but that encompasses a certain dimensionality. God would be all-knowing of all that exists and insists in the same or lower dimensions of where and when God is encountered. Therefore, God would reveal God as being something quite different, yet quite the same at different levels of dimensionality.

reply to post by Maddogkull


Quite simply the answer is because god is not what you think it is.

Member1

We overvalue life because we view death as the end - but death is the beginning, not the end.

Member2

You cannot know this as you are not dead you just repeat what you what other people have told you, unless of course you are claiming to have died at some point.

member2
Maybe he/she has? People have and have been resusitated and reported
experience while dead.

member1
we overvalue life?

Two words, free will. If God were to interfere with people's decisions and actions he would be taking away their free will, no matter the evil intent.

Sorry if I am repeating someone's answer, I didnt get very far in the post before I had to reply. I felt like the little kid at the back of the classroom, waving my hand and going "Me Me Me!"

reply to post by Maddogkull


The question is why does man allow it to happen .

2nd _________________

In case you did not know Satan is in control of the Earth. God gave Satan I believe a certain amount of time to prove that his way would work. Many people now believe that things are heading for a meltdown or Armageddon or disaster. If that happens, then Satan's way did not work. Case closed. We're living in an experiment. If you interfere too much with an experiment, it invalidates the results of the experiment. People do have free will to choose to do evil or to help one another. People will suffer if someone causes them harm. Everyone can see that. I believe if we did not see that, we would all remain like spoiled kids expecting their parents to always fix things when we screwed up.

I remember reading somewhere that Satan once offered Jesus the kingdoms of the Earth when he was starving in the desert. Satan could not have made that offer if he didn't have control over those kingdoms.

reply to post by yodagod


Why is it so impossible that it could possibly be the other way around? We date Egyptians to have been sometime between roughly 3000 B.C.-1000 B.C.. Just sayin', the story takes place in Genesis so thats close to the beginning, and going by the dates of the bible saying roughly the beginning would be around 4400 B.C., it is possible for this all to take place before the time of the egyptians, so who's to say possibly that they couldn't have taken it from the story of the Jews and misconstrued it into a perception that fit THEIR agenda? As well as the ancient egyptian language is extinct now so easily the words now could fit that definition because of the actions in the past that fit as being so. Not to mention wasn't it the egyptians who used the Israelites as slaves which Moses set free so that in itself could show that Egypt existed AFTER this event which took place which could possibly lean more towards my own theory. Regardless of whomever is right definitely nice to debate someone for once who can actually challenge my intelligence Too little of that where I live haha

reply to post by Maddogkull


Without pain and suffering, we would be very bored.. no drama.

Otherwise, maybe god is just a direction or a symbol and people consider it an alive person, as if there is someone to blame for the entire mess. An escape goat syndrome.

If there does exist an omnipotent and omniscient God, why does he give humans Free Will? If you agree that he is omniscient then you have to agree that he would have known before giving humans Free Will that most would do evil things. The world would eventually lead into what it is now where so many people experience pain and suffering.

Why does a righteous God allow people to come into existence who he knows will cause harm and suffering to others and eventually land themselves into an eternal place of suffering? Perhaps our idea and understanding of God and what God represents is mistaken.

Those answering with the standard "because of Free Will" are ignoring the fact that in this context Free Will is a flawed concept.

[edit on 16/3/2010 by Dark Ghost]