Israel Could Find Itself Forced To Wipe Out Europe

Originally posted by Foppezao

Originally posted by Office 4256

Originally posted by Magnum007
They wouldn't stand a chance... That little piece of land vs. Europe... HAHAHAHAHAHA... It's like Sponge Bob vs. Goliath...

Interesting read though... Made me smile for once...

Magnum

Your comment assumes that Europe would actually fight. The EU and European NATO countries have converted their armed forces from armies to extensions of nation-building and aid-distribution organizations. the majority of NATO nations have sent their troops to Afghanistan with orders to fire in force protection mode only. Not to mention that in about twenty years, Europeans will be minorities in their own nations.
The OP presents an unlikely scenario, but if it happens, Israel would be victorious; a sad but necessary outcome.

I dont understand what you think is necessary about it? Apart from that you forget almost every single country has special forces, and a very decent air force outnumbering Israel.With Spain , Italy, France and UK there are about 6 aircraft carriers..A population of about 500 million people, imagine the army with a draft, that might still happen.Every citizen got a letter( me aswell at least over here) that although we are not called apon now, there still is a possibility that might happen in the future and then that is mandatory. I dont think in such a case, or if the Russians might invade that we only shoot back when fired upon..Also not with nuclear weapons which we rely more on becauseour conventional forces are smaller..dream on...




[edit on 20-3-2010 by Foppezao]

Based on experience in the field with most of the aforementioned forces, I'll leave my bet on Israel. As you say, Europe has the advantage in personnel, as did Syria and Egypt in 1973. We'll see...

reply to post by Office 4256


You should not compare European armed forces to Syrian or Egyptian forces since they both are at a 20 odd year outdated in comparison to the EU member state aremed forces (those in the top 5 of amred updates) , either as a defense or offense.
But on a realistic side, there is no such European Army therefore such question is a non issue. As for the IDF, given that they are dependent on imports to maintain continues battle status contrary to what has been publicized, i simply would not grant them the majority of my votes on a hypothetical scenario of eu member states against the idf.


[edit on 20-3-2010 by tristar]

Alongside a large Jewish community and one of the finest synagogues in Europe, 12% of my home town are of Jewish decent (myself included), it is therefore quite amusing really that they (my ancestors) escaped here from all the pogroms going on in Europe to only be wiped out in the end by nukes from Israel..

If this does not prove we live in an upside down and back to front world, I don't know what does.

Originally posted by illusive man
reply to post by Yissachar1

 

israeli's are starting to eat palestinian kids, those carnivors
good thing you brought this to attention kind sir,


LONG LIVE THE IDL

Defender of the state of Israel which does no wrong

[edit on 14-3-2010 by illusive man]

What do you mean it does no wrong? Of course it does!
Having said that, there aren't and never have been innocent nations in the world though... seems anyone's guilty of some wrongdoing towards their neighbors and fellow man.
...about time we as humans grow up and start realizing we better work together in peace for our common good... or else

Reply to OFFICE 4256

"Based on experience in the field with most of the aforementioned forces, I'll leave my bet on Israel. As you say, Europe has the advantage in personnel, as did Syria and Egypt in 1973. We'll see... "

Yeah, however, even though I will grant you that it is rotten 'almost' to the core, Europe is not the spawn of evil thought and intent. That's the difference, my friend.

Goodbye Israel. Welcome back Palestine. Welcome back, Jewish people, to the world community, live where you wish, just live in peace. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[edit on 21-3-2010 by Yellow Teapot]

[edit on 21-3-2010 by Yellow Teapot]

Originally posted by Bhadhidar

Originally posted by Magnum007
... It's like Sponge Bob vs. Goliath...

Interesting read though... Made me smile for once...

Magnum

But Goliath...Lost.


And David was Hebrew.



Still smiling?

Is this why they act as they do? I would urge Christians to withdraw their fanaticism toward this sick bully of a nation. They do realize that without using the Christians, the odds would be much worse than a mere Goliath. They have used and abused scripture to rope in the whole Jesus set. But they hate Jesus. The law says he was a heretic, and jews stand by this. They preferred Barabas, remember? Well, that's what they have, Barabas, and that's all they have. I will not humor a person for two seconds who says we must support israel or be damned. It is a lie, a perversion of the Bible well exploited by jews.

This post is for testing purposes only!

It's really too bad for the Israel bashers here. The sad truth for them is that Israel has laid up several hundred nukes and has ways to deliver them. Whih unfortunately means that Hamas and Hezbollah have already lost. They just don't want to accept reality.

As far as actually exercising the Sampson option what Israel would do is ignore the population centers. Rather what they would hit is the energy infrastructure of the middle east and Europe. Blow up as many oil wells, pipelines, and ports as possible.

Within days gasoline would be around the $50 a gallon mark. And unobtainable at any price in a few months. Economies and nations would collapse. Anarchy would take over and billions would be dead in approximately a year or two. And if that should happen in November millions would be freezing to death by Feb.

And that's not counting what a nuclear autumn or winter could do to crop production.

Makes you wonder what they'll remember about us in 15,000 years eh?

Originally posted by Bhadhidar

Originally posted by Magnum007
... It's like Sponge Bob vs. Goliath...

Interesting read though... Made me smile for once...

Magnum

But Goliath...Lost.


And David was Hebrew.



Still smiling?

Originally posted by ntech
It's really too bad for the Israel bashers here. The sad truth for them is that Israel has laid up several hundred nukes and has ways to deliver them. Whih unfortunately means that Hamas and Hezbollah have already lost.

Interesting .... so Israel might nuke Hamas ?

How would they do that without destroying Israel at the same time

Just asking.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Here we go again.... IT wasn't the U.S. who gave Israel it's nuclear arsenal, and the capability to make them.... IT WAS FRANCE....

A couple years ago I posted a thread in these forums were at least one high ranking government official of France was saying that perhaps it was time for them to also give nuclear weapons to Middle Eastern countries.....

Anyway, my point is that some people talk bs without knowing the facts.....

Quite funny, this!

Anyway, my point is that some people talk bs without knowing the facts.....

France was not alone in giving Israel the "know how" capabilities and the important vital materials to make these weapons!

And this well-known fact is now out in the open for everyone to read.

The truth is that France (according to the non official secret agreement; together with the UK & US) gave Israel the 'design' and some of the the 'know how' skills to construct these weapons WHILE plenty of the vital material and other 'know how' from scientists to make these weapons actually came from the USA and the UK!

US Gave Weapons Grade Uranium to Israel

How US Weapons Grade Uranium was Diverted to Israel

Declassified GAO Report Exposes Fatally Flawed Israel Investigations
By Grant Smith

May 16, 2010 "Antiwar" May 10, 2010 -- The 2010 Review Conference of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons is underway at UN Headquarters in New York.

A working paper calls for a nuclear-free Middle East. It would require member states of the NPT to "disclose in their national reports on the implementation of the resolution on the Middle East all information available to them on the nature and scope of Israeli nuclear facilities and activities, including information pertaining to previous nuclear transfers to Israel." On May 6, 2010, the Government Accountability Office (formerly known as the General Accounting Office) released the previously secret 1978 report "Nuclear Diversion in the U.S.? 13 Years of Contradiction and Confusion" [.pdf]. It fills in important historic gaps about weapons-grade uranium diversions from the U.S. to Israel.

www.grandestrategy.com...

How US Weapons Grade Uranium was Diverted to Israel

Declassified GAO Report Exposes Fatally Flawed Israel Investigations

May 16, 2010 "Antiwar" May 10, 2010 -- The 2010 Review Conference of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons is underway at UN Headquarters in New York. A working paper calls for a nuclear-free Middle East. It would require member states of the NPT to “disclose in their national reports on the implementation of the resolution on the Middle East all information available to them on the nature and scope of Israeli nuclear facilities and activities, including information pertaining to previous nuclear transfers to Israel.” On May 6, 2010, the Government Accountability Office (formerly known as the General Accounting Office) released the previously secret 1978 report “Nuclear Diversion in the U.S.? 13 Years of Contradiction and Confusion” [.pdf]. It fills in important historic gaps about weapons-grade uranium diversions from the U.S. to Israel.

“Nuclear Diversion in the U.S.? 13 Years of Contradiction and Confusion” investigates the period between 1957 and 1967 when the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC) received over 22 tons of uranium-235 – the key material used to fabricate nuclear weapons. NUMEC’s founder and president Zalman M. Shapiro was head of a local Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) chapter and a sales agent for the Defense Ministry of Israel in the U.S. In the early 1960s the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) began documenting suspicious lapses in security at NUMEC’s plant at Apollo, Pa. In 1965 an AEC audit found NUMEC could no longer account for over 200 pounds of highly enriched uranium. Subsequent estimates spiraled to almost 600 pounds.

www.informationclearinghouse.info...

The GAO was chartered by Congress to investigate four allegations about what happened to the uranium. The first was that “the material was illegally diverted to Israel by NUMEC management for use in nuclear weapons.” This was a result of early AEC and FBI investigations into the activities of Zalman Shapiro. The second theory “the material was diverted to Israel by NUMEC management with the assistance of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)” came from the CIA’s silence and demonstrated lack of interest in the entire matter. The final theories explored by GAO were more general, that “the material was diverted to Israel with the acquiescence of the United States Government” or “there has been a cover-up of the NUMEC incident by the United States Government.”

GAO solicited all available information developed by the CIA, FBI, Department of Energy, and AEC, but was “continually denied necessary reports and documentation … by the CIA and FBI.” GAO attempted to fill in gaps or outright refusals to cooperate by directly interviewing FBI special agents. The GAO also intended to make the report public, in order to respond to growing public concerns. Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.), the chairman of the House Subcommittee on Energy and Power, who requested the inquiry, was assured six months before it was issued that only the most sensitive areas in the report would be classified. The CIA and FBI insisted that the entire report be classified at the “secret” level over the objections of Dingell, who said, ”I think it is time that the public be informed about the facts surrounding the … affair and the possible diversion of bomb-grade uranium to Israel.”

www.informationclearinghouse.info...


Even the pesky North Koreans knew about these facts!

N. Korea accuses U.S. of helping Israel develop nuclear weapons

"As an illustration, the U.S. has long actively promoted and cooperated with the Israeli nuclear armament plan," the newspaper said. "They decided to provide assistance to Israel's nuclear development program. Then the U.S. dispatched nuclear experts to Israel and transferred highly enriched uranium, the key ingredient for nuclear weapons, to them."

www.haaretz.com...

The Release of Mordechai Vanunu and US Role in Israel's Nuclear Arsenal

Israel has long stated that it would not be the first to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East, which is a rather disingenuous commitment given that US planes and warships have been bringing nuclear weapons into the region since the 1950s. Israel is generally believed to have become a nuclear power by 1969. The newly elected President Richard Nixon and his chief foreign policy adviser Henry Kissinger privately endorsed Israel's program that year.

They quickly ended the regular US inspections of Israel's Dimona nuclear center. This was of little consequence, however, since these "inspections" were pro forma and not taken seriously. (President Lyndon Johnson demonstrated his lack of concern over the prospects of Israel becoming a nuclear power by rejecting calls that one of the early major weapons sales to Israel be conditioned on Israel'signing the NPT.)

The Nixon administration went to great lengths to keep nuclear issues out of any talks on the Middle East. Information on Israeli nuclear capabilities was routinely suppressed. The United States even supplied Israel with krytrons (nuclear triggers) and supercomputers that were bound for the Israeli nuclear program.8

www.antiwar.com...

Even Britain were deeply involved with this secret agreement to equip Israel with the capabilities to make the weapons.

Britain gave Israel plutonium, files show

Britain secretly supplied Israel with plutonium during the 1960s despite a warning from military intelligence that it could help the Israelis to develop a nuclear bomb, it was disclosed last night. The deal, made during Harold Wilson's Labour government, is revealed in classified documents released under the Freedom of Information Act and obtained by BBC2's Newsnight programme.
The documents also show how Britain made hundreds of shipments to Israel of material which could have helped in its nuclear weapons programme, including compounds of uranium, lithium, beryllium and tritium, as well as heavy water.

Documents show that the decision to sell plutonium to Israel in 1966 was blocked by officials in both the Ministry of Defence and the Foreign Office, who said: "It is HMG's policy not to do anything which would assist Israel in the production of nuclear weapons. " But the deal was forced through by a Jewish civil servant, Michael Michaels, in Tony Benn's Ministry of Technology, which was responsible for trade in nuclear material, according to Newsnight.

www.guardian.co.uk...


So to point out France as the sole perpetrator of giving Israel nuclear weapons and the the capability to make them, is nothing more than a lie & delusional fantasies!

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Here we go again.... IT wasn't the U.S. who gave Israel it's nuclear arsenal, and the capability to make them.... IT WAS FRANCE....

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Was it the US, UK and France that gave Israel Nukes or was it fellow jews who had infiltrated the governments to the highest positions of those countries that gave Israel Nukes

it's time to topple Israel government & take the control of their nuclear weapons away.

Originally posted by ken10
Was it the US, UK and France that gave Israel Nukes or was it fellow jews who had infiltrated the governments to the highest positions of those countries that gave Israel Nukes

I think that Henry Kissinger could give you the correct answer to that question!

Beside, officially from Britain's point of view and taken from the Guardian article in my post above:

Documents show that the decision to sell plutonium to Israel in 1966 was blocked by officials in both the Ministry of Defence and the Foreign Office, who said:

"It is HMG's policy not to do anything which would assist Israel in the production of nuclear weapons." But the deal was forced through by a Jewish civil servant, Michael Michaels, in Tony Benn's Ministry of Technology, which was responsible for trade in nuclear material, according to Newsnight.

www.guardian.co.uk...

Originally posted by nophunThat and the whole politicaltheatrics.net being anti-Semite thing

That really doesn't have any bearing in the facts now does it? Here's a Google search which discusses the "Pillar of Samson" and Israel.

I swear, people will pin anti-semetism on anything that doesn't kiss Israels ass.

reply to post by OddTimeSignature


A sad article but not new news...this policy ..known as the Samson(II) Agenda has been known about for some time.

The only one who has the right to dispose of the land is the one who created it...bt since when does anyone really give a damn about 'rights'.
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*Angry rant*

Why don't you try? Why don't you just try it, you sad excuse for an Apartheid wannabe regime?! You've been treating the Palestinians like third class citizens ever since you robbed them of their country, and when people criticize you for acting like a bunch of spoiled brats with brass knuckles, you use brute force and intimidation tactics to silence them! Well, guess what? If you as much as breathe about an attack on Europe, Europe will wipe YOU off the face of this planet! And good riddance, I say! I have nothing against jews, but your COUNTRY is the biggest blighted pile of # on this Earth since the Soviet Union. Israel is a sad and pathetic waste remnant of the Dark Ages, where fear and violence rules, and where laws are flexible at best.

So let me repeat it! Just try attacking Europe, you sad excuse for a democracy, and we'll send you straight to Hell - where you belong. You spoiled, antidemocratic, diaper-wearing pansies.

*Angry rant over*

Sorry, y'all. That was one of my least graceful moments as an ATS member, but I really needed to get that written down and off my chest. For some reason this pisses me off to no ends.

I remember reading that Israel had plans to wipe out a number of Soviet cities if they were in s situation where they were going to be overrun by the Arabs. I guess the logic went that if the USSR was going to arm their enemies to the teeth then they would make sure the USSR would pay the price if it came down to it

Originally posted by Yissachar1
These anti-Israel threads have reached yet another new low

Whats the headlines going to be soon?? "Israelis eat the young of Palestinians" ???

What bothers me more than anything is that people believe this gunk

Stop posting this non-sense. This is not an Anti-Israeli thread. This is a valid news article, with facts. No one brought up Palestinians prior to your post, so now you're just itching for a Israel/Palestine argument. Irrelevant to even mention Palestine.
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Any country that has a hidden and secret arsenal of nuclear weapons, and who threaten to use them on half the world if attacked, should not be aloud to exist. They pose a threat to all of humanity...Hey, that's what this whole Iran thing is about right? Sounds like the kettle calling the pot black to me.... Difference is, Israel has the bombs, and Iran (allegedly) wants the fuel. And to top it off, Iran is a signatory of the NPT, which according to the treaty, says:

en.wikipedia.org...:_peaceful_use_of_nuclear_energy
The third pillar allows for and agrees upon the transfer of nuclear technology and materials to NPT signatory countries for the development of civilian nuclear energy programs in those countries, as long as they can demonstrate that their nuclear programs are not being used for the development of nuclear weapons.

Originally posted by centurion1211
Just for the sake of common sense, and as I pointed out previously, if the missiles are in flight and you have no defense, it doesn't matter who has more missiles. Israel is also a very small country, so at some point the number of missiles you can aim at it is a moot point.

What you're missing is that while destructive, nuclear weapons aren't exactly the world-dooming OMGWTFBBQ threat you're painting them as. Israel could launch its entire arsenal, and yeah, it'd do a lot of damage... but no country they aimed it at would "cease to exist" - Well, maybe Monaco. And if this happens... Well, you know the frothing hatred you and other Americans are constantly giving towards Muslims over 9/11? Combine that sort of response magnified by a thousand with eight hundred years' practice at antisemitic slaughters, and there's your new Europe.

And do I also need to point out that anyone nuking Israel for any reason will also kill muslims across the middle east with fallout due to prevailing winds.

So... you're in support of nuking Israel, Centurion?