Israel Could Find Itself Forced To Wipe Out Europe

reply to post by john124


Depends whether or not your country is populated by religious nutcases or not really.

It bothers me that Mr Creveld believes that Europe could become such a problem that this "may" have to happen...Europe is a group of countries who are trying to get Israel into peace talks with its enemies.

Is that something which "may" lead to nukes being fired off?
It should not be,as most people in Israel I believe want peace-the Admin on the other hand do not seem to want peace.

Are they seeing those who want peace as an enemy to their agenda?
I hope not,as that is a horrible concept.

reply to post by MikeboydUS

My point is that you can't hold all of Israel accountable. The issue has to be placed in context. People are using the issue to attack Israel in general or attack Jews in general. It must be in context.

But this is exactly what’s being done by the United States where we choose to hold all of Afghanistan and Iraq accountable for the actions of a few and sometimes even people who weren’t even born or raised there.

This is also exactly what Israel is doing with Iran in wanting to hold the whole nation accountable for not even the actions of its political leaders but just its words.

So putting the blaring and glaring dual standards aside for a moment if the people themselves aren’t going to be responsible for the actions of their government then you are clearly advocating people be irresponsible and unaccountable in all things.

So people should not have to pay taxes, or obey traffic laws or anything else too! Yeah!

It’s funny that often the very same people who make excuses for wars of attrition against entire nations and religions are the very same people who make excuses for the actions of the nations doing that and then saying don’t hold them to the same standard they are so keen to hold others.

It’s the old don’t do as I do, do as I say argument.

If the citizens aren’t going to be responsible for their government’s actions then who exactly is Mike Boyd?

Originally posted by illusive man
you see, thats what happen when the french have Nukes
wasnt it them that gave Israel the capibility to build Nukes in the first place?

well hope its France first

The French were not the only ones involved remember:

Top secret British documents[25][26] obtained by BBC Newsnight show that Britain made hundreds of secret shipments of restricted materials to Israel in the 1950s and 1960s.
These included specialist chemicals for reprocessing and samples of fissile material—uranium-235 in 1959, and plutonium in 1966, as well as highly enriched lithium-6 which is used to boost fission bombs and fuel hydrogen bombs.[27]
The investigation also showed that Britain shipped 20 tons of heavy water directly to Israel in 1959 and 1960 to start up the Dimona reactor.[28]
The transaction was made through a Norwegian front company called Noratom which took a 2% commission on the transaction. Britain was challenged about the heavy water deal at the International Atomic Energy Agency after it was exposed on Newsnight in 2005. British Foreign Minister Kim Howells claimed this was a sale to Norway. But a former British intelligence officer who investigated the deal at the time confirmed that this was really a sale to Israel and the Noratom contract was just a charade.[29]
The Foreign Office finally admitted in March 2006 that Britain knew the destination was Israel all along.[30] Israel admits running the Dimona reactor with Norway's heavy water since 1963. French engineers who helped build Dimona say the Israelis were expert operators, so only a relatively small portion of the water were lost during the years past since the first operation of the reactor.[31]

en.wikipedia.org...

You could have guessed that the dark Brtish elite would have a hand in the proceedings...Its not rocket science,well it sort of is I suppose.

Israel thinks they can get away with anything, but before they know it, a country like iran is just going to destroy them.

reply to post by Stedlinn


The point is that if what you say occurs,Israel may feel the need to launch multiple nukes about the place.

In other words,they get the last word.

Could this be described as a form of nuclear blackmail?
In some kind of attempt to tell the world "protect Israel or else.."

???


Apologies if I am way off the mark,just trying to consider all the angles is all.

An Author nobody ever heard of, goes on a radio show, a Palestinian Propaganda rag run by Hamas translates it, then a site openly hostile to Jews and the United States re-translates it and it ends up here as if it is news or a fact of any kind?

Crevals is trying to sell a book and who knows what he actually said on that radio program. Either way it has nothing to do with Israel or any official stance. If he actually said this, it is just grandstanding to sell a book.

In fact this is one of the most absurd things I've read this year. It is most certainly not news. It's an author's opinion if he even said it.

Flags on threads are starting to mean don't bother with this thread it is sensationalized propaganda.

I'd bet the Israeli Government is not considering any such thing. This is propaganda made up out of thin air.

We should be talking about the worthless nature of most of these overnight wonder pseudo-news sites that are actually propaganda rags designed to promote hatred and division.

reply to post by OddTimeSignature


This is highly unlikely to happen. if so the Us would back up israel along with Britain and canada. Nuclear missles are a thing of the past. They have much more devestateing Technology now.

If a nuclear strike did happen though europe would be Messed up for a long long time, But israels first prioirty is to really take over the middle east.

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


Israel said nothing. Read the article. An author, according to a Hamas run news organization said this while promoting a book. He has nothing to do with the Israeli Government. It is wild speculation by an author selling a book if he even said it. The linked site is an anti-Isreal, anti-American site that claims to have translated it from Arabic from the Hamas site.

Sadly though, you thought it came from the Israeli Government, which is the purpose of propaganda. This will spread all over the Internet and people here will misrepresent it and that, is why propaganda is so dangerous to buy into.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
An Author nobody ever heard of

That appears to be inaccurate to me.See his Amazon books and history.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Sadly though, you thought it came from the Israeli Government, which is the purpose of propaganda.

What I thought was that Martin van Creveld was detailing a very plausible scenario judging from what I have previously read concerning the topic.

If that means I have fallen for some kind of propaganda in your eyes,then so be it.

Originally posted by LibertyLover

Martin van Crevald is a respected military historian.
I have a Masters degree in Military History from George Washington University in Washington DC and can tell you that I read his books for several of my classes.
In particular I either used for papers or had to read as class assignments his Technology of War; Supplying War; The Art of War and Command in War. For fun I have also read his The Changing Face of War, The Transformation of War and the Culture of War.
Hope that helps.

Mr Creveld is not so unknown it appears.

reply to post by largo


Oh OK, we'll do...thank you.

Martin van Creveld, formerly of the Hebrew University, Jerusalem, is one of the world's leading writers on military history and strategy, with a special interest in the future of war. He has authored twenty books. The most important among them are Supplying War (1978), Command in War (1985), The Transformation of War (1991), The Changing Face of War: Lessons of Combat from the Marne to Iraq (2006), and The Culture of War (2008). He has also published extensively on other subjects, including the history of the state, women’s history and feminism, and American history. Between them, these books have been translated, or are being translated, into seventeen languages.

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[edit on 3/15/2010 by mikelee]

"Hey kids! let's leave the nice and safe UK to go down to Sderot! it'll be great!"

Did I misread something? I was under the impression he moved TO the UK?
Your statement makes sense if thats the case, but none the less, 'home' is home whatever its like. When you move countrys, you miss freinds, relatives, familiar surrounds. Such is human nature.

Some people smile and hope that a weapon with the same power but no radiation appears, so that nuclear weapons can be put aside. Honestly, I fear it.

Sadly it has appeared....(2003 I think)

www.youtube.com...

[edit on 15-3-2010 by wayaboveitall]

Originally posted by Now_Then

Originally posted by wayaboveitall
I would have categorised anyone with nukes as a lunatic frankly, just as dangerous.
I hope we (Australia) never go there.

I would guess that Oz already has nukes in the form of an American 'loan' they may not even be manned by American's on Oz soil, it's quite a common practice for the weapons to be placed in a country and for that host country to actually have the control over them, while they remain the property of the USA (or maybe another country) Australia has the option to use them.

Biggest bloody secret in Australia if that's the case. I dont think so, though we have American satellite tracking station on our soil, like pine gap

en.wikipedia.org...

Nuclear weapons though? no. WE might be considered America's 'lap dog' but i dont think we have gone that far yet. Hopefully Aussy common sense prevails. Dont fancy being a target.

Australia currently chairs the Australia Group, an informal grouping of countries that seek to minimise the risk of assisting chemical and biological weapon proliferation. All states participating in the Australia Group are parties to the Chemical Weapons Convention and the Biological Weapons Convention, and strongly support efforts under those Conventions to rid the world of chemical and biological weapons.[1] As with chemical and biological weapons, Australia does not possess nuclear weapons and is not at all known to be seeking to develop them.

www.globalcollab.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 15-3-2010 by wayaboveitall]

Originally posted by Magnum007
They wouldn't stand a chance... That little piece of land vs. Europe... HAHAHAHAHAHA... It's like Sponge Bob vs. Goliath...

Interesting read though... Made me smile for once...

Magnum

I completely agree, Israel can come get a taste. Im not saying try it, because this is silly talk, im just saying Israel think that because they've finally conjured up a nuclear warhead, they think they have more power than Europe. Typical.

The UK alone are probably hundreds of years ahead of them, technologically, and this is without the help from the US, who will no doubt send about 5 invisible UFO's to go laser there asses (not sure on this one).

Anyway, theres my view, Isreal - if your reading...

Heres the *middle finger*

Peace.

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
It bothers me that Mr Creveld believes that Europe could become such a problem that this "may" have to happen...Europe is a group of countries who are trying to get Israel into peace talks with its enemies.

Is that something which "may" lead to nukes being fired off?
It should not be,as most people in Israel I believe want peace-the Admin on the other hand do not seem to want peace.

Are they seeing those who want peace as an enemy to their agenda?
I hope not,as that is a horrible concept.

I don't think its that. Its more of what if.

It was just last century that a poweful anti-semitic regime came to power in Europe. I think he's looking at history. Europe traditionally was anti- semitic for over 1000 years.

I don't think it will happen, but with the growing backlash against Muslims in Europe and fanatical Muslims propelling the backlash, I think the chance of a xenophobic regime rising in Brussels is increased.

Originally posted by Bhadhidar

Originally posted by Magnum007
... It's like Sponge Bob vs. Goliath...

Interesting read though... Made me smile for once...

Magnum

But Goliath...Lost.


And David was Hebrew.





Still smiling?

awesome

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


We arn't holding all of those people accountable in Iraq or Afghanistan.

In Iraq we went after the Baathists, then when Al-Sadr started problems we dealt with his followers. The majority of Kurds, Sunnis, and Shiites havn't been targeted.

In Afghanistan, we supported the Northern Alliance. The Taliban are Pashtun, but we don't target the Pashtun and they don't all like the Taliban. I saw this first hand. We handed out humanitarian aid to the Pashtun and trained and equipped their police, who were also Pashtun.
We got along better with the Pashtun than the Afghan army did. The reason is that most of the Afghan army is from the northern ethnic groups like the Turkomans.

If Israel bombs a few sites in Iran its not blaming the people of Iran. Now if Israel nuked Iran I would agree with you.

Individuals are responsible. Thats the way we convict people. It doesn't matter if its a war crimes tribunal or a local judge. We don't convict religions or peoples.

The US has Europe targeted too, plus the rest of the planet.

We dont. Our recent ICBK test failed. (inter continental ballistic Kangaroos)

But we're working on sheep with the co-operation of new zealand, So watch it!